"In 2012, more than 4,500 retired players, family members, and representatives filed the class action NFL Concussion Lawsuit. They sued the NFL for compensation for former players' neurological deterioration and the recognition that it came as a result of playing NFL football."
It's just about as bad as a horse collar IMO. That's basically what it is. I'm all in favor of banning it.
The horsecollar is much different, that will ruin your ankles/knees. Hip drop injuries happen because players are fighting for yards with a defender hanging on to them, if they go down theres no injuries. It happens from chase downs and now youre gonna see players continue 5-10 more yards forward because they cant just drop their weight from the players forward momentum. If players don't fight for yards they won't get injured its the risk reward, I dont like the ban
If players don't fight for yards they won't get injured its the risk reward, I dont like the ban
Well, I would agree if that was the case, but I think that might be reversed? IF the rule is like the similar rule in rugby now, it's NOT a violation to grab and hang on to the offensive player who is struggling to advance. In fact that would NOT be a penalty.
The penalty only occurs where you take the third step - where you grab, hang on AND throw your body onto the legs. That is the point of the hip drop tackle. Its a dangerous way to stop someone from advancing and, in fact, would not be a penalty but for the body on the legs (if the rule is th same as in rugby).
I think the most high profile hip drop from last year was the Andrews tackle. If you look at it the LB who makes the tackle he could drive right through him BUT Andrews is close to the goal line so he grabs hold, drops his hips and throws himself on to Andrews legs TO STOP HIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fa3smREgzo
Could definitely be wrong because I haven't seen the rule. But, I think there is also a Florio piece on it and I know thew rugby rule takes the third component.
Definitely going to be some controversy until players themselves avoid this type of tackle. Here is the language, I think
https://x.com/JoriEpstein/status/1772278802166505587?s=20
and this was Troy Vincent
“I’ve been in that position before as a leader of the Player’s Association involved in many of the meetings,” NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent said during a Thursday conference call with reporters regarding the proposal rule changes. “There’s always going to be resistance from the player when you talk about removing things. There’s going to be resistance, and I respect that. There was resistance in removing the blindside block. There was resistance removing the crackback block. There was resistance removing the attack block. There was resistance removing the horse collar. Again, I mentioned it earlier in the opening, durability and availability is the number one and two aspect for any professional athlete and particularly with football players. I have a technique that causes 20 to 25-percent injury rate when it occurs. I respect their position, but as gatekeepers of the game . . . this is something that we have to remove."
another rule change . . from the XFL
The league announced the change on Tuesday, saying the new structure would resemble a scrimmage style kickoff "by aligning players on both teams closer together and restricting movement to reduce space and speed."
For a standard kickoff, the ball would be kicked from the 35-yard line with the 10 kick coverage players lined up at the opposing 40, with five on each side of the field.
The return team would have at least nine blockers lined up in the “set up zone” between the 30- and 35-yard line with at least seven of those players touching the 35. There would be up two returners allowed inside the 20.
Only the kicker and two returners would be allowed to move until the ball hits the ground or was touched by a returner inside the 20.
I looked more into it,has something to do with trapping the legs and falling down, similar mechanics of the horse collar, but i can definitely see some more bs calls to influence games
I looked more into it,has something to do with trapping the legs and falling down, similar mechanics of the horse collar, but i can definitely see some more bs calls to influence games
It's a chickenshit rule change, no doubt.
I looked more into it,has something to do with trapping the legs and falling down, similar mechanics of the horse collar, but i can definitely see some more bs calls to influence games
i looked more to and I agree with you.
the one part that is easy to call is that the violation requires the defender to leave his feet while holding on to the offensive player. In other words to choose to use your body weight to drag the player down by leaving your feet.
the part about the legs that I posted above really comes from rugby where they decided you can leave your feet to drag the player down but if you land on the legs it’s a penalty (because the injury risk is so high)
however the NFL calls it the rule itself will deter players eventually because, again, it’s a choice. In the Raven example I posted the LB could just run through the TE but that probably leads to a TD
I looked more into it,has something to do with trapping the legs and falling down, similar mechanics of the horse collar, but i can definitely see some more bs calls to influence games
It's a chickenshit rule change, no doubt.
the NFL isn’t filled with tough guys like you
the game has never been the same since they outlawed the crack back block!!
On X they showed a video of rich mckay at the league office with video of examples of hip drop tackles . And on one play they showed tyler boyd catching a ball across the middle and ambling forward , a chieds def back came in at a much faster pace to tackle him from the side for what looked like a short 6 to 7 yard gain. And the chiefs player took him down from the same height as tyler boyd in an upright fashion but boyds slowness on this play left his left leg kind of "behind " so to speak. If this particular play is a hip drop tackle then this is gonna be a nightmare!!! You are gonna see players ">soccer style" drawing these false penalties!!! The play looked clean to me just a faster player tackling a slower player and that was the only angle and way he could properly tackle him from.
I think you mean this
https://x.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1772285904620572936?s=20
The common thread in all those tackles is the defender leaving his feet as a technique, to use his body weight to bring the runner down. Thats a choice. It's a technique.
Not sure how NFL players suddenly becomes diving soccer players lol. If anything maybe the soccer parallel is a defender choosing to take the penalty anyway because its the only way to stop the player from advancing (professional foul).
But in terms of refs missing it, I can definitely see that, but I think that this is more a fine after review approach than a live call.
