Thanks for the lecture:
You should try to actually get the facts straight about player performance before making assumptions to make a point. This "I think" as I "recall" ain't cutting it when the game logs are out there.
I will try to do better, boss.
Is that the appropriate response?
LMAO.
KIDDING ASIDE, I think going off my memory reflects that the conversation does not matter much.
It doesn't matter much because the entire "debate" is basically a beauty contest discussion. How does Baker compare to Cousins? Talk about the "beauty in the eye of the beholder" discussion. The Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
I just added another PERSPECTIVE, (even saying fairly or unfairly) and you didnt even say it was WRONG . . . you just applied a DOUBLE STANDARD, right?
You didn't refute that Cousins has questions about his big game performance and couldn't generate any offense in a one playoff or overcome a small deficit in another . . you just said it was the DEFENSE's fault.
That might be true, BUT TALK ABOUT IRONY?
Why is that ironic? Because when the Bucs lost in a playoff game its was arguably BECAUSE OF THEIR DEFENSE (3 straight full field TD drives) . . and yet it was Mayfield's late interception you called up.
Anyway, that is precisely what I mean by BEAUTY CONTEST discussions. Posters have their point of view and there is an almost endless supply of snippets to support their position . . . but not a single fact that would change their view or in this case matter much
In the end, Cousins likely works out some deal with the Vikings and the Bucs happily sign Mayfield, Evans, Winfield etc. Like i said, the Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
I thought just yesterday the coach said they want him back but are still letting him go to free agency because he's entitled to "bet on himself?"
I just saw his interview. The coach doesn't really say that, its Florio's hypothetical
Something similar happened to the Bucs vs Texans game. Baker finished well, put the Bucs ahead by 4 & forcing the Texans into a scoring drive of 75 yards in 47 seconds - I would have bet the house our defense could stop them.
They didn’t - but with Mayfield the team played well enough the rest of the season to get into the playoffs. We then did what Kirk hasn’t been able to do in several years, and only once in a decade, take his team to the divisional round.
In the first year, with a new offense, and first time OC, for his second NFL team.
The idea is, that Baker fit(s) the offense, and our stated goals are to improve the interior line, improve the run game, and improve the defense with Edge/CB/DB.
With the improvement at the positions I listed above, a top 15 QB may just be, enough. It has already resulted in our Bucs being a lot further ahead of a successful rebuild than anyone hoped it would take.
Sounds like we’re on track.
Yeah it is the right response. Please do better. You and Lyin Tiger exaggerate things to big up Baker Mayfield and try to downplay players that are better than him. Its obvious what your doing.Thanks for the lecture:
You should try to actually get the facts straight about player performance before making assumptions to make a point. This "I think" as I "recall" ain't cutting it when the game logs are out there.
I will try to do better, boss.
Is that the appropriate response?
LMAO.
KIDDING ASIDE, I think going off my memory reflects that the conversation does not matter much.
It doesn't matter much because the entire "debate" is basically a beauty contest discussion. How does Baker compare to Cousins? Talk about the "beauty in the eye of the beholder" discussion. The Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
I just added another PERSPECTIVE, (even saying fairly or unfairly) and you didnt even say it was WRONG . . . you just applied a DOUBLE STANDARD, right?
You didn't refute that Cousins has questions about his big game performance and couldn't generate any offense in a one playoff or overcome a small deficit in another . . you just said it was the DEFENSE's fault.
That might be true, BUT TALK ABOUT IRONY?
Why is that ironic? Because when the Bucs lost in a playoff game its was arguably BECAUSE OF THEIR DEFENSE (3 straight full field TD drives) . . and yet it was Mayfield's late interception you called up.
Anyway, that is precisely what I mean by BEAUTY CONTEST discussions. Posters have their point of view and there is an almost endless supply of snippets to support their position . . . but not a single fact that would change their view or in this case matter much
In the end, Cousins likely works out some deal with the Vikings and the Bucs happily sign Mayfield, Evans, Winfield etc. Like i said, the Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
The entire debate is Cousins > Mayfield. There is no "beauty contest" just the cold hard truth that you Baker jock sniffers for some reason can't accept. And just like you, Tiger tried to say things about Cousins which was not accurate to make Mayfield look better than what he is in comparison to him.
I did refute Cousins questions about his "big game performances". Did you not read the part where Cousins led the Vikings to tie the game at 24-24 in the 4th? Yeah his defense let him down in that game but he played well. Those two things can both be true.
Could the Vikes strategy be to let Cousins test the market to see if that fully guaranteed, $45m contract, stands?
From what I’ve heard, his agent wants a similar deal, do the Vikes?
I guess we'll find out. I think he'll get what he desires from them even if he is set to test the market.Could the Vikes strategy be to let Cousins test the market to see if that fully guaranteed, $45m contract, stands?
From what I’ve heard, his agent wants a similar deal, do the Vikes?
Yeah it is the right response. Please do better. You and Lyin Tiger exaggerate things to big up Baker Mayfield and try to downplay players that are better than him. Its obvious what your doing.Thanks for the lecture:
You should try to actually get the facts straight about player performance before making assumptions to make a point. This "I think" as I "recall" ain't cutting it when the game logs are out there.
I will try to do better, boss.
Is that the appropriate response?
LMAO.
KIDDING ASIDE, I think going off my memory reflects that the conversation does not matter much.
It doesn't matter much because the entire "debate" is basically a beauty contest discussion. How does Baker compare to Cousins? Talk about the "beauty in the eye of the beholder" discussion. The Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
I just added another PERSPECTIVE, (even saying fairly or unfairly) and you didnt even say it was WRONG . . . you just applied a DOUBLE STANDARD, right?
You didn't refute that Cousins has questions about his big game performance and couldn't generate any offense in a one playoff or overcome a small deficit in another . . you just said it was the DEFENSE's fault.
That might be true, BUT TALK ABOUT IRONY?
Why is that ironic? Because when the Bucs lost in a playoff game its was arguably BECAUSE OF THEIR DEFENSE (3 straight full field TD drives) . . and yet it was Mayfield's late interception you called up.
Anyway, that is precisely what I mean by BEAUTY CONTEST discussions. Posters have their point of view and there is an almost endless supply of snippets to support their position . . . but not a single fact that would change their view or in this case matter much
In the end, Cousins likely works out some deal with the Vikings and the Bucs happily sign Mayfield, Evans, Winfield etc. Like i said, the Vikes like Cousins, the Bucs like Mayfield. Two DIFFERENT QBs and circumstances.
The entire debate is Cousins > Mayfield. There is no "beauty contest" just the cold hard truth that you Baker jock sniffers for some reason can't accept. And just like you, Tiger tried to say things about Cousins which was not accurate to make Mayfield look better than what he is in comparison to him.
I did refute Cousins questions about his "big game performances". Did you not read the part where Cousins led the Vikings to tie the game at 24-24 in the 4th? Yeah his defense let him down in that game but he played well. Those two things can both be true.
I think we are posting past each other. Let me try again lol
I am not exaggerating anything?
I said that there are questions about Cousins winning the big game. To PROVE that here is ONE example. It is Kyle Rudolph saying one of their playoff wins DISPROVES that cant win the big game "narrative:"
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1666640963984
Kyle Rudolph is saying that because the NARRATIVE EXISTS. It is real. He's trying to disprove it FOR A REASON. It is a"narrative" though that is why I said "fairly or unfairly."
You gave your own EXPLANATION for the LOSSES that gave raise to that narrative.
ALSO, there are pages and page of posts, no doubt with a bunch of people calling other people names. Maybe you are involved ("Lyin Tiger"), but I understood the conversation to be about comparing free agent standing. Who is more sought after. Cousins is listed as the top QB free agent on everything I have seen.
BUT, that doesn't mean the market for him is necessarily bigger BECAUSE the market for a QB takes into account all the circumstances.
JUST LIKE SOME TEAMS WILL VIEW MAYFIELD AS SOMETHING LESS THAN LAST YEAR's PERFORMANCE (because of his seasons prior). .. some teams will have a lesser view of Cousins because of the circumstances eg he wants GUARANTEED $, he hurt is Achilles . .. HE's NEVER WON THE BIG GAME etc.
Beauty is IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. The Bucs are NOT dumping Mayfield because they want Cousins, but how can that be if Cousins is the best free agent QB? Because Mayfield is a better fit HERE
JUST LIKE SOME TEAMS WILL VIEW MAYFIELD AS SOMETHING LESS THAN LAST YEAR's PERFORMANCE (because of his seasons prior). .. some teams will have a lesser view of Cousins because of the circumstances eg he wants GUARANTEED $, he hurt is Achilles . .. HE's NEVER WON THE BIG GAME etc.
Irony is, neither has Baker.
In the first year, with a new offense, and first time OC, for his second NFL team.
It's his 4th team.
White Lyin' gonna keep lyin'...
Didnt mean to quote all of that. ugh
The Vikes coach's comments about Cousin are nearly identical to Bowles comments about Mayfield and the circumstances are basically the same in that BOTH player and his team want to be together.
Thats why I said its sort of a meaningless discussion.
There is a TON of angst posted here about every BUC free agent's contract and what the players should get and what the Bucs should do and how the Bucs might use the franchise tag and what GLOOM and DOOM lies on the horizon if the Bucs let certain free agents go or pay other free agents too much.
How will it all turn out? Who knows but Licht seems to think all is well
“We have started talks with Baker [Mayfield], we started with Mike [Evans], Antoine [Winfield], Tristian [Wirfs], Lavonte {David],” Licht said. “I think they are going well — they are all priorities.”
JC might be freaking out, but . . .
The 2 ACL’s was a mistake, it was just a torn achilles, 8 games into last season.
The point has always been, at this stage in his career, Cousins wasn’t an option, and isn’t an option. I stand by the claim that if both were on the market today, Mayfield would be the top FA/QB. He’s younger, he’s not injured, and he turned in an unexpected (albeit a duplicate to what he did with the Browns) performance in 2023.
The fact that we are in this position, potentially able to sign the top FA/QB, is great - and has been my point.
The only reason this conversation occurred is that someone offered Kirk Cousins as a better option, for the Bucs. He is not, or we wouldn’t be negotiating with Baker Mayfield.
Baker is a top 15 QB - but he’s ours - because Mayfield proved it the only way he could. The team is now going to have to prove it. Whether that’s $28m or $37m is yet to be decided.
The liars are the one’s who assert Kirk Cousins would be a better option, here, now.
I laugh at that idea. He wasn’t available in 2023, he may not be available for 2024, Even if he is, the only way the Bucs target him, is as a worst case scenario, and only then if he comes off that $45m/fully guaranteed 3 year deal he got last time.
The Vikes already have an answer to the question, “what happens if we build a team around free agent QB Cousins”. Our Bucs are now asking the same question, about a much younger, un-injured, potentially cheaper, FA/QB with talent, who’s already taken us to the divisional round in a “prove it” year.
The only claim I’ve made about Mayfield is that he is currently a top 15 QB, that is the best fit for this offense/team.
How many divisional round playoff games has he taken his team to?In the first year, with a new offense, and first time OC, for his second NFL team.
It's his 4th team.
White Lyin' gonna keep lyin'...
Answer is as I said - 2. Once with the Browns, and this past season was with the Bucs.
Thats 2 different teams.
Auman quote tweeted an article from Sportrac regarding Baker's projected contract:
Quick Details
4 years, $120,000,000
$30,000,000 AAV
$53M Guaranteed at Signing (signing bonus, 2024 salary, 2025 salary, plus 2025 option bonus)
$85M Practically Guaranteed
_________________
Cap Hit
2024 - $6,250,000
2025 - $11,750,000
2026 - $42,000,000
2027 - $45,000,000
2028 (void) - $20,000,000
Dead Cap
2024 - $53,000,000
2025 - $46,750,000
2026 (potentital out) - $35,000,000
2027 - $30,000,000
2028 (void) - $15,000,000
JUST LIKE SOME TEAMS WILL VIEW MAYFIELD AS SOMETHING LESS THAN LAST YEAR's PERFORMANCE (because of his seasons prior). .. some teams will have a lesser view of Cousins because of the circumstances eg he wants GUARANTEED $, he hurt is Achilles . .. HE's NEVER WON THE BIG GAME etc.
Irony is, neither has Baker.
Well, I am not sure how you define big game BUT its all PERCEPTION (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) anyway. In fact, you are HIGHLIGHTING precisely why the discussion it sort of never ending.
Someone (like the VIKES coach) would migth want Cousins because he think's Cousin's regular season play means he can with the big game EVEN IF HE HAS NOT. The Vikes coach actually say just that to Florio, noting PARTICULARLY HIS REGULAR SEASON LAY THIS SEASON BEFORE INJURY. But, he has not HAS NOT won the big game in TWELVE SEASONS with some very good teams
Similarly, some might say Mayfield played BETTER in crunch time with the Bucs and that is why he MIGHT BE the choice of some teams, in the HYPOTHETICAL BEAUTY CONTEST. They might even argue that hes only in his 7th or 8th season (ie HE IS YOUNGER AND IN THE QB PRIME YEARS)
Beauty is IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. Things like the "top rated FA QB" article are sort of looking at things in a vacuum and most often about guys who will NEVER be on the market anyway. Who knows though, maybe BOTH go up on the market and we see what happens!!!
The only reason this conversation occurred is that someone offered Kirk Cousins as a better option, for the Bucs.
Nobody did.
You've been asked multiple times to provide a quote, and you simply refuse to do it.
Just more of your made up bullshit, White Lyin'.
The 2 ACL’s was a mistake,
No, it wasn't. It was pure fabrication.
Par for the course with you, 🤡🤡🤡.
