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Posted by: @bucsbits

Posted by: @jc5100

Licht has a nuclear option here... but he's not smart enough to use it. 

Re-sign Winfield to a massive deal. 

Tag Evans. I know the number is crazy. Do it. 

Now Baker loses all his leverage. He's trying to pit him and Evans going back as package deal and if he doesn't get what he wants then they lose Evans too. Nope. Baker is worth a fraction of the numbers being floated around. TAKE AWAY HIS LEVERAGE. 

 

So you think they are locked in heated negotiations WITH ALL THREE, but its Mayfield who is holding everything up because he wants to get overpaid? 

The guy who twice used the word "sacrifice?"

 

Baker's impending contract is the problem, yes.

Winfield shoudn't be tagged because even if he's made the highest paid safety the team can finese the 2024 cap hit and barring a signficant injury he will live up to the numbers. 

Evans tag is high but it's actually not bad value. At his age it's probably best to keep him on the 1 year deal. And he would have more offers in free agency than Mayfield. 

Let Mayfield test the market without the ability to act like he and Evans are package deal. 

 

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 3:46 pm
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Posted by: @jc5100

Baker's impending contract is the problem, yes.

any person NOT JC5100 reporting that?

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 4:01 pm
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Mayfield sounding like the cancer JC says he is:

 

"So we've both voiced our opinions that we want to be together, but it's got to be the right way," Mayfield said. "Mike deserves to be a Buccaneer for life. He's done so much for that community, so much for the franchise. He's put his time in. I can't say enough about the guy as a player, and just as a guy in general."

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 4:07 pm
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That has to be the worst assessment I’ve seen.

let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

And then what, you think you’ll get a chance to match that offer?

Absolutely nutz.

The only bright spot is that you’re probably going to be the most disappointed Buc fan on the internet.

Wow.

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 4:52 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

I don't think they were referencing Kirk Cousins, brother.

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 5:04 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

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let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

I don't think they were referencing Kirk Cousins, brother.

No, they weren’t. Neither was I, and neither are the Bucs.

Thankfully.

Kirk Cousins, behind this line, would have been, well, sitting on the sidelines.

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 5:07 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @white-tiger

let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

I don't think they were referencing Kirk Cousins, brother.

No, they weren’t. Neither was I, and neither are the Bucs.

Thankfully.

Kirk Cousins, behind this line, would have been, well, sitting on the sidelines.

 

If you're claiming that Mayfield is better than Cousins, I'm not sure what is even left to say.  Since 2018, even though Mayfield has played more games, Cousins has significantly more TD's, significantly more Yards, significantly more Wins, Higher Comp %, Higher YPA, significantly less INT's and a better QB Rating.

Those of you that believe Mayfield is better than Cousins are in the extreme minority.

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 5:18 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @white-tiger

let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

I don't think they were referencing Kirk Cousins, brother.

That was my first reaction. 

Lol. 

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 6:26 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @white-tiger

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @white-tiger

let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?

I don't think they were referencing Kirk Cousins, brother.

No, they weren’t. Neither was I, and neither are the Bucs.

Thankfully.

Kirk Cousins, behind this line, would have been, well, sitting on the sidelines.

 

If you're claiming that Mayfield is better than Cousins, I'm not sure what is even left to say.  Since 2018, even though Mayfield has played more games, Cousins has significantly more TD's, significantly more Yards, significantly more Wins, Higher Comp %, Higher YPA, significantly less INT's and a better QB Rating.

Those of you that believe Mayfield is better than Cousins are in the extreme minority.

 

He is 35, is a "clean pocket" QB which requires a great offensive line (which we did not/do not yet have), coming off a ACL.

He is 7 years older, coming off a severe injury, and would have been murdered behind this line.

Sorry, if we hadn't gotten Baker, and we had a better o-line, he might have been a good consideration, last year. It's not last year. Baker already proved it.

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 7:35 pm
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Look, they're both free agents, do you think more NFL teams would choose Baker, or Kirk, first?

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 7:38 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

Look, they're both free agents, do you think more NFL teams would choose Baker, or Kirk, first?

If Cousins is healthy, then it’s him. 

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 8:38 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

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Look, they're both free agents, do you think more NFL teams would choose Baker, or Kirk, first?

If Cousins is healthy, then it’s him. 

 

Huh, that doesn’t seem to be what Tampa Bay, Washington, New England, Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh have indicated?

Probably just media spin, right?

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 8:42 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Posted by: @white-tiger

Look, they're both free agents, do you think more NFL teams would choose Baker, or Kirk, first?

If Cousins is healthy, then it’s him

Huh, that doesn’t seem to be what Tampa Bay, Washington, New England, Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh have indicated?

Probably just media spin, right?

 …but at least we’ve tied your goat to a steak!

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 8:44 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

Huh, that doesn’t seem to be what Tampa Bay, Washington, New England, Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh have indicated?

Oh really?

These teams have come out said they’d prefer Baker over Kirk? 

Where’d you read/see this?

Also, I remember a few weeks ago, you posted in a thread (can’t remember which one) that a great number of teams were covering him. They were smart and knew something we didn’t know (or something to that effect).

My apologies, as I forgot to ask. 

Considering they’re smart and stuff, why weren’t they all lined up last offseason?

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 8:48 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

Look, they're both free agents, do you think more NFL teams would choose Baker, or Kirk, first?

Kirk Cousins, because he’s the better QB. It’s pretty stunning this is being asked. Mayfield has a cult-like following, but Cousins is and has been a better QB throughout his career.

I gave you three different free agent QB lists, with Cousins being the #1 FA QB. That wasn’t a coincidence.

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2024 9:01 pm
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