maybe the most difficult, to sign.
Maybe, but i think he has a reason to stay here and it is his legacy. It more protected here. I expand on that in another post
Russell Wilson interest me for the right price. He could probably sign for vet minimum given his contract with the Broncos
that said, i think there will be many suitors for him like Pittsburgh or Atlanta who may offer him more.
Again, option A is Baker....but if he is going to break the bank, we need to consider other options or you know what at least make him think that in our negotiations
i agree with Blayton that im sure the contract has already been agreed and just a matter of timing. Can't imagine JL and Bakers agent havent already ironed out 90% of the details.
However, the NFL cap numbers just now getting updated, looks like Bucs will have about $13m more… of course, agents will be looking to bump this up, Licht & team will be looking to apportion that to more players…
At least it looks a bit more positive!
That has to be the worst assessment I’ve seen.
let the best starting FA QB test the market, with several teams in need of a starting QB, some with direct connections to that QB/FA?
And then what, you think you’ll get a chance to match that offer?
Absolutely nutz.
The only bright spot is that you’re probably going to be the most disappointed Buc fan on the internet.
Wow.
I'm proposing a chess move and your brain is stuck playing tic tac toe. I know Licht and Greenberg are not smart enough to do this, and nobody else is smart enough to even propose it. But re-signing Winfield before he gets to the market and tagging Evans is the best possible move the Bucs can make. If the Bucs offer is in the ballpark of any other offer Mayfield gets he's signing it. I'm confused as to why you don't think he would. Head coach and GM that have his back, HOF WR, HOF LT, good weather, no state income tax. And you're worried he's going to sign somewhere else. Really?
About me being disappointed. Sure. But recall I said the Jensen and Barrett contracts would be disasters. I'm sure you'll just say "injuries".
There is no chess to this scenario.
Youre not going to pressure Mayfield into signing a leftover deal. Mike isn’t signing unless he knows a legit QB in an offense built to maximize it.
Until there’s a QB, Houston wants Mike, they already have a legit QB, and a team that just needs a legit WR1…and also have twice the cap room Tampa Bay has.
It’s pretty simple. You can’t jump a knight.
I'm proposing a chess move and your brain is stuck playing tic tac toe
You don't believe that yourself lol
If you did you wouldn't post that response because you wouldn't care about the tic-tac-toe criticism, especially as a former big $ GM!
Again, option A is Baker....but if he is going to break the bank, we need to consider other options or you know what at least make him think that in our negotiations
If he's wanting (again, if) to break the bank, then let him do it somewhere else. Thank him for his time here and give him the AWJ "deuces" hand gesture.
Again, this notion that he had "all the leverage" is simply not true. If anything, Tampa has it.
Russell Wilson interest me for the right price.
He's an intriguing one. I mean, it would take a lot of negotiation on who eats what of that contract (unless they cut him post-June and eat nearly $80M in dead cap...ouch).
But, I think he still has a few good years in him. Just a god-awful situation in Denver.
I think he would thrive in Coen's system, especially with these weapons.
I see that you qualified your statement with “if” - so please note I’m not attacking your position.
I’d say that taking Baker’s own statement that he acknowledged ‘sacrifice’ when speaking about re-signing Mike Evans, it doesn't seem like he intends to break the bank, but he’s not signing for Geno or Jimmy G money, either, because he’s years younger than they are, and already performing as well, or better, than them.
It’s pretty clear the Bucs think Baker gives us the best chance to win, now, and gives them more security for their future plans.
He’s not without interest, and the Bucs don’t want him to get out and start hearing offers - so it’s not going to be a take it or leave it deal. Translation - it won’t be a bottom basement deal. It should allow the Bucs to bring Mike back, as Baker needs him…but that’s up to Mike. It would not surprise me to see them sign Baker first, then do a full court press on Mike Evans.
I see that you qualified your statement with “if” - so please note I’m not attacking your position.
I’d say that taking Baker’s own statement that he acknowledged ‘sacrifice’ when speaking about re-signing Mike Evans, it doesn't seem like he intends to break the bank, but he’s not signing for Geno or Jimmy G money, either, because he’s years younger than they are, and already performing as well, or better, than them.
It’s pretty clear the Bucs think Baker gives us the best chance to win, now, and gives them more security for their future plans.
He’s not without interest, and the Bucs don’t want him to get out and start hearing offers - so it’s not going to be a take it or leave it deal. Translation - it won’t be a bottom basement deal. It should allow the Bucs to bring Mike back, as Baker needs him…but that’s up to Mike. It would not surprise me to see them sign Baker first, then do a full court press on Mike Evans.
I know he's said all the right things.
All that being said, I've already resided in the thought process that Licht will ultimately overpay him. Probably in the 3-4 year range, at $120M-$160M.
And, my guess is that it will be backloaded with a void year and a hefty dead cap number if he flames out next season or the one after. Essentially, making him impossible to trade and a big dead cap liability if released.
I actually think Evans deal will be similar.
We started pushing the "kick the can" business model during the actual title window, but I have a feeling Licht is going to continue that trend under the guise that we're a "contender".
It's a slippery slope and it's essentially the same mantra as the Saints.
There is no chess to this scenario.
Youre not going to pressure Mayfield into signing a leftover deal. Mike isn’t signing unless he knows a legit QB in an offense built to maximize it.
Until there’s a QB, Houston wants Mike, they already have a legit QB, and a team that just needs a legit WR1…and also have twice the cap room Tampa Bay has.
It’s pretty simple. You can’t jump a knight.
If you tag Evans he doesn’t have a choice. And you just proved my point that Mayfield will use Evans as leverage
Licht has not talked directly to the media. I'm sure the news that the Bucs want Mayfield back and will be talking with Mayfield at the Combine is true, but all the info we get is second hand. News comes out of One Buc without attributing to a particular person. But when Mayfield is hugging people at team facilities and Arians is giving his usual glowing praise of somebody in an interview - that's not Licht talking that's somebody else. Licht hasn't said much himself. He wants Mayfield and these other players back, but I would like to think he isn't going to sacrifice his overall strategy of building a winning roster just to please the fans during the offseason.I see that you qualified your statement with “if” - so please note I’m not attacking your position.
I’d say that taking Baker’s own statement that he acknowledged ‘sacrifice’ when speaking about re-signing Mike Evans, it doesn't seem like he intends to break the bank, but he’s not signing for Geno or Jimmy G money, either, because he’s years younger than they are, and already performing as well, or better, than them.
It’s pretty clear the Bucs think Baker gives us the best chance to win, now, and gives them more security for their future plans.
He’s not without interest, and the Bucs don’t want him to get out and start hearing offers - so it’s not going to be a take it or leave it deal. Translation - it won’t be a bottom basement deal. It should allow the Bucs to bring Mike back, as Baker needs him…but that’s up to Mike. It would not surprise me to see them sign Baker first, then do a full court press on Mike Evans.
I know he's said all the right things.
All that being said, I've already resided in the thought process that Licht will ultimately overpay him. Probably in the 3-4 year range, at $120M-$160M.
And, my guess is that it will be backloaded with a void year and a hefty dead cap number if he flames out next season or the one after. Essentially, making him impossible to trade and a big dead cap liability if released.
I actually think Evans deal will be similar.
We started pushing the "kick the can" business model during the actual title window, but I have a feeling Licht is going to continue that trend under the guise that we're a "contender".
It's a slippery slope and it's essentially the same mantra as the Saints.
In the end what gets people excited is wins. If you can get the band back together and you go 7-10 that doesn't create interest in the team or ticket sales. If you bring in a totally different set of players and you win games then its all good. What fans think right now really doesn't matter. They'll get on board if you put together a good team no matter how you do it. Right now all fans can see is what's right in front of them, which is to bring back their favorite players. But hopefully Licht has more insight into what players he can get and what players will cost too much and it may not be the obvious choices.
Great point. I’ve done this a long time, but I’ve been pretty happy with the big decisions Licht has made and how that surprisingly resulted in wins.
It’s going to be a tough schedule, but I think we have the best chance to be competitive, which in this post-GOAT era, has been an unexpected & overall positive surprise. So much better than watching the “build-it-up-blow-it-up” cycle - this is interesting. It has been interesting watching them try something new, re-building while winning - that’s new for us.
Looking Forward to a defensive upgrade on the line/secondary, upgrading the interior o-line, and the run game…and watching for Baker to relax & improve behind that line and run game.
If the defense can take another step forward, with those improvements, could be really fun this coming season!
First time I’ve felt comfortable that the Bucs ownership, admin & staff are aligned and working to continue winning.
Did we get better than our competitors? Sure feels like it, we’ll see.
No, I did not. I actually suggest the opposite. That Baker Mayfield will take something less, in order to help sign Mike Evans, because he knows their future’s are intertwined.There is no chess to this scenario.
Youre not going to pressure Mayfield into signing a leftover deal. Mike isn’t signing unless he knows a legit QB in an offense built to maximize it.
Until there’s a QB, Houston wants Mike, they already have a legit QB, and a team that just needs a legit WR1…and also have twice the cap room Tampa Bay has.
It’s pretty simple. You can’t jump a knight.
If you tag Evans he doesn’t have a choice. And you just proved my point that Mayfield will use Evans as leverage
If you think the Bucs have any leverage on Baker Mayfield, you’re wrong. The only leverage they have is the franchise tag, and they’re not using that on him unless negotiations break down. Both sides are not indicating that is the direction.
The Bucs seemingly want he & Mike to have some level of accuracy in valuation, as they began negotiation with Baker’s agent, yesterday, to be continued AT the combine next week. We’ve all heard of the “hallway conversations” that happen at the combine, before the legal tampering period, it will allow Baker to gauge how many other, if any, teams are interested. Looks like they are going to let Mike Evans find his valuation in the open market.
These are serious, immediate decisions, carried out above board with the best interest of the other in mind.
By all accounts, it is being done for the near future, and Buc fans should appreciate it.
If you think the Bucs have any leverage on Baker Mayfield, you’re wrong.
Lolz…
If you think the Bucs have any leverage on Baker Mayfield, you’re wrong.
Lolz…
It’s not just me saying it. Maybe you missed it, so I’ll give you another point of reference:
https://www.pewterreport.com/baker-mayfield-suitors-free-agency-sr-fab-5/
