Lets make sure rapist jameis isn't actually a rapist first before we start throwing his name around.Talentwise, the kid is awesome, but we don't need an nfcs version of burger. If this stuff follows him, does it not change the face of the landscape?Even though charges weren't filed, they still can be. He seems like a good enough guy, but with that type of investment, you need to be sure.
I could see Glennon thriving in a West Coast style offense. When we get Martin and James and Demps back healthy along with Rainey, those guys could do a lot of damage catching slants and crossing routes and screens out of the slot or backfield. Need to find a way to get those guys in open space instead of running them up the center's ass each play. Freeman could never hit those kind of moving targets. Glennon can.
Yup. Definitely have to let glennon do those things. He's an accurate enough qb that picking opponents apart is an option.But, as with anything or anyone in schiano's system, we don't know what they would be like in a different, improved system. We can assume better, but the pieces still have to fall into place.
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Lets make sure rapist jameis isn't actually a rapist first before we start throwing his name around.Talentwise, the kid is awesome, but we don't need an nfcs version of burger. If this stuff follows him, does it not change the face of the landscape?Even though charges weren't filed, they still can be. He seems like a good enough guy, but with that type of investment, you need to be sure.
I think JW is a great college talent. What concerns me is when I watch his throwing motion, he appear to do an elongated windup and in the NFL that will be exploited by DBs and LBs. It is not to the extent that Byron Leftwich did his windup...but it is not a compact delivery.Has anyone else noticed that?
Speaking of Glennon, anyone else notice how Freeman-esque he was in his play yesterday? I was watching with a buddy who hasn't seen a single Bucs game this year and he wondering why he locked on to his 1st receiver and didn't look elsewhere the majority of the time. He had wide open players in the same route and he threw to the guy who was double covered. It happened on a few occasions. I thought "everyone" was raving about how he looked defenders off? I just didn't see a competent QB at all. But, he's a rookie so I guess he doesn't have to perform at an NFL level just yet. It's kind of like it's only the first few games of the year, maybe Freeman is still in "preseason mode". I can't handle excuses. You either play or you don't. We need a QB.
Speaking of Glennon, anyone else notice how Freeman-esque he was in his play yesterday? I was watching with a buddy who hasn't seen a single Bucs game this year and he wondering why he locked on to his 1st receiver and didn't look elsewhere the majority of the time. He had wide open players in the same route and he threw to the guy who was double covered. It happened on a few occasions. I thought "everyone" was raving about how he looked defenders off? I just didn't see a competent QB at all. But, he's a rookie so I guess he doesn't have to perform at an NFL level just yet. It's kind of like it's only the first few games of the year, maybe Freeman is still in "preseason mode". I can't handle excuses. You either play or you don't. We need a QB.
Hmm, you must not be watching the game very closely. By my estimation Glennon put up the 3rd or 4th best game according to passer rating. That defense is damn legit and those two drives were damn impressive, and even more so when you consider it coming from a rookie. Gameplanning was terrible as usual. Why we got away from the uptempo game that worked so well is a mystery to me. Glennon looked comfortable, decisive and aggressive. In the slow playaction style offense he looks the opposite. Glennon was also only one of three QBs to throw more than one TD against that defense this year and he did it with ZERO running game to distract anyone.
But, he's a rookie so I guess he doesn't have to perform at an NFL level just yet.
Rookies generally don't. Unlike a lot of things - drops for example - that isn't an excuse, it is reality.
The difference between the two teams is stark. Vjax lets a ball hit him in the chest plate and bounce away. Boldin makes a one handed catching falling away. We have a pick 6 nullified by an offsides penalty from a guy about two feet from the football. We try a trick play and fumble it directly into our own endzone. This is just not a well coached team. We have and continue to find ways to beat ourselves and against a team like the 49ers who best game is a chunk better than our best game you can't do it. Running game no where to be found and pass blocking can't hold up on 3 second routes.We should have not tried that stupid play that wasn't going to work, ever, and just had a normal return and let Glennon continue in the hurry up.
Actually, over the last three or four years, the rookie QBs that are good have been quite good right away. Guys like Newton, Luck, Wilson, Dalton, and even Tannehill were able to show right away that they were legit and worth sticking with. The only rookies that have looked awful, are the rookies that remain awful. Guys like Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Weeden, and probably Geno Smith.Then there are guys like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman who look just good enough to waste your time on, and the Rams are still waiting on him 5 years later, just like we wasted 5 years on Josh. I don't think Glennon is horrible. I think he is Sam Bradford/Josh Freeman. I think there are quite a few back ups playing right now that are as good as Glennon. Maybe he turns into something more in the future, but I haven't seen enough to make me think that. To me he looks exactly the same as he was in college. I hope we don't spend 5 years figuring that out.
Actually, over the last three or four years, the rookie QBs that are good have been quite good right away. Guys like Newton, Luck, Wilson, Dalton, and even Tannehill were able to show right away that they were legit and worth sticking with. The only rookies that have looked awful, are the rookies that remain awful. Guys like Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Weeden, and probably Geno Smith.Then there are guys like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman who look just good enough to waste your time on, and the Rams are still waiting on him 5 years later, just like we wasted 5 years on Josh. I don't think Glennon is horrible. I think he is Sam Bradford/Josh Freeman. I think there are quite a few back ups playing right now that are as good as Glennon. Maybe he turns into something more in the future, but I haven't seen enough to make me think that. To me he looks exactly the same as he was in college. I hope we don't spend 5 years figuring that out.
Well slow down a bit on Dalton and Tannehill and also on Newton. Newton was the first of the scrambling RGIII type QB's that came in with new offenses no one had seen. That got taken away and Newton has come back to earth like RGIII. That class of last year will prove to be the best class in the last 20 years in my estimation. Simply put, you cannot expect QBs to look and play like those guys, it's just not going to happen. That was a very special class with exceptional talent. With the exception of Andrew Luck, those other QBs are in very very QB friendly situations with offenses tailored to their talents or great running games and defense to keep pressure off them. Glennon benefits from an average defense with no running game and an offense that is largely unsuccessful in Tampa and other areas. Glennon may not be the guy but to think he should be performing on this team like those others is silly as he has almost none of the advantages that other successful young QBs have.
They may not all end up being great BucNY, but the point is they have shown enough right off the bat that they were clearly worth sticking with long enough to see.With Glennon, he has one or two great drives a game and then is awful for the rest of the day. Or sometimes he is just awful all day. He has never come close to putting together an entire game though. I don't see how people can be ready to put all of our 2014 hopes on Glennon when he hasn't had one single complete game. He's fallen apart in the 2nd half of every game. he hasn't shown that ability to rise up and play at another level in crunch time. He looks exactly the same as he did in college. A few flashes of brilliance surrounded by a sea of mediocre or bad play. He is a much different QB than Josh Freeman, but thier inconsistency is the same and he has always been that way. Watch his college film man. He is who he is.
Actually, over the last three or four years, the rookie QBs that are good have been quite good right away. Guys like Newton, Luck, Wilson, Dalton, and even Tannehill were able to show right away that they were legit and worth sticking with. The only rookies that have looked awful, are the rookies that remain awful. Guys like Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Weeden, and probably Geno Smith.Then there are guys like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman who look just good enough to waste your time on, and the Rams are still waiting on him 5 years later, just like we wasted 5 years on Josh. I don't think Glennon is horrible. I think he is Sam Bradford/Josh Freeman. I think there are quite a few back ups playing right now that are as good as Glennon. Maybe he turns into something more in the future, but I haven't seen enough to make me think that. To me he looks exactly the same as he was in college. I hope we don't spend 5 years figuring that out.
I think there is some revisionism here. Tannehill was a 76 QB rating guy. Dalton an 80. Luck was a 76 as well. Those aren't groovy stats. Glennon is sitting at 85 in rating. Cam was hit the first half if the year but cooled off dramatically over the second half but still had a 86 rating for the year. All these guys were more flash that consistently good. To me the issues isn't that Glennon can play it is that he is gonna be more Dalton than Rodgers and Dalton is a guy who doesn't impress me much at all.
Are we talking about the NFL or the PFF? Cause in every thread you use the same QB rating excuse. The game is more than numbers Dal. If you wanna only look at number and ignore everything else, then Nick Foles is one of the best QBs to ever play the game of football. See how silly that is?
