How Licht missed on JTS was to take a flyer based on NEED. You're saying you draft a DB or LB with the JTS pick? Which one? If not one of those position then who?
Depends if we wanted BPA, need, or depth
Need: there's nothing good at edge around there.
So this is the best argument then that it was flawed because even though we had the perceived immediate need there wasn't a good player, so dont take the flyer. I think that common sense probably loses out to the "what if JPP or Barrett get hurt," but definitely flawed UNLESS it works out. Thats why I keep saying price of the Super Bowl and thats why I alos looked back at the moves teams make in that window. Its often filled with stuff like this.
Then in the 4th he gets a fucking punt returner.
Nothing emphasizes the NEED-based draft quite like this pick
Poor Todd Bowles had Logan Hall thrust upon him, along with Devin White, JTS, and Calijah Kancey
When you have to make up a fake argument ("thrust upon him") you've surrendered. The Biggs Special
I would argue Hall (consensus #45 but drafted 33rd overall) was even more of reach than JTS, who was consensus #39 but drafted 32nd overall.
This would mean you supported trading back AGAIN or taking some other unnamed player
Having Karlaftis doesn't necessarily mean you lose Goedeke and Otton. Those players still could have been drafted by Tampa Bay, without trading out of R1. That may - or may not - have required other trades.
They acquired the draft capital in the trade back, so yes you could stick your thumb in your bumb and it may come out with rabbit ears . . . but.
As I said previously, I think the GM did some post-draft evaluation on himself and chose a different pathfor the last few drafts - and it seems to be paying better dividends.
Bowles has had injuries too but luckily we have CB depth this year thanks to Licht seeing that need with the awful CBs we ran out there last year. We are legit 4 deep and it lets Smith play safety.
I'm as big of a Bowles hater as they come but outside of the Hawks game, the defense has carried their weight.
Baker might be hurt and that's why he is air mailing throws and double clutching but Grizz still shit the bed a few times with his goal line dive dive dive and his deep ball throws against Lions (not minimizing an aggressive pass rush).
Grizz imo hasn't schemed a lot open outside of the Hawks game... Baker may have been bad the last 2 games but he also bailed out Grizz the other games so....more than a wash imo.
For example the eagles game both deep TDs came on broken (extended) plays.
Baker willed us to victory in 3 wins.
Bucs defense has needed to be bailed out in multiple games by the offense. Your bias showing as the offense has been bailing out due the defense failing to finish the 4th quarter of games.
Grizzard has schemed open Egbuka on posts multiple games outside of the Seahawks game so once again your bias is showing through. Grizzard scheming is elite when it comes to the passing game when he can involve so many pass catchers, but needs work in run game and short yardage situations. But that will fixed once the Ol is more stable on the right side.
It complicates drafting, because you’re constantly having to add significant talent while picking in the middle of each round. That’s mostly on Licht, who I believe has done a good job the past few years.
AMEN
The exact point I have made about our edge rushers (and just had to make again about Hall).
The easiest way to get a game wrecking edge is to LOSE. If you dont lose such that you have a PREMIUM pick and you want to draft someone it becomes a REAL LONGSHOT. I think the success rate with a 1st rounder is something like 60% and then it drops into the 25% range in the 2nd round, so when you draft a DIABY in the THIRD, having him become a STARTER who contributes 8-10 sacks is a win. There are obvious exceptions (Crosby), but no one is going to pile up Super Bowl trophies drafting edge rushers in round 4. Thats why Licht went out and got JPP and Barrett and Suh . . .and even then NINE sacks came from Bowles/White blitzes.
Licht has done an INCREDIBLE job.
Not always. He's learned and part of that is MISSES, but if you just look at what he SPENT to win a Super Bowl it hardly set the team back, RELATIVELY SPEAKING . . and so the team has gone on to win division champs etc. WITH GUYS LIKE HALL .. and Diaby (credit to Bowles)
Diaby is looking to become a B player which is fine.
Braswell failing to be a B player along with Hall and JTS is a problem. When picking low in the draft order you do not expect to be picking up A plus or elite players but these guys were still picked high enough they should be B level starters at some point. Because C level starters are a littered throughout the league and are available via free agency.
Right now JTS was clearly a D level starter and C level rotational player while Hall is at best C level. Braswell I am willing to be patient with but he can not even reach C level as a rotation player which is something JTS could do. That has to change fast.
Context is necessary when reviewing how we ended up with specific picks.
Would have liked to have gotten Karlaftis, but would you do that at the expense of Goedeke and Otton…? That’s a tough one.
No.
I like Karlaftis coming out and the arguments that he was slow get off didn't make sense. Worse, Braswell seems slower to me off the snap than Karlaftis every did to be honest.
But the value of Goedeke and Otton outweigh Karlaftis massively. Otton is proving he is a true two way TE and Goedeke is an upper level RT easily in the top 10.
I was on the fence with re-signing Otton or not but I say his value as a blocker and being sneaky good as a TE is just too good to pass up. He doesn't look stiff in his hips like other Bucs TE in recent memory and he is a force multiplier when teams have to contend with this WR group which simply overwhelms the best of defensive schemes.
Grizzard scheming is elite when it comes to the passing game when he can involve so many pass catchers
If Grizz is "elite", then Liam was God.
Bucs defense has needed to be bailed out in multiple games by the offense. Your bias showing as the offense has been bailing out due the defense failing to finish the 4th quarter of games.
Grizzard has schemed open Egbuka on posts multiple games outside of the Seahawks game so once again your bias is showing through. Grizzard scheming is elite when it comes to the passing game when he can involve so many pass catchers, but needs work in run game and short yardage situations. But that will fixed once the Ol is more stable on the right side.
My bias is showing? Lol wut... My screen name is "fire bowles".
Egbuka is getting open because he runs great routes... He's not running free nor is anyone else... And that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It means it's not happening enough or in critical moments.
He's not elite at anything yet. That's an insane take
Otton is proving he is a true two way TE
He's improved his blocking but this is another crazy take
Egbuka is getting open because he runs great routes... He's not running free nor is anyone else.
You have to admit it's a little odd. Passing success is the rookie player, not Grizz. Running struggles are Grizz though, not 3-4 veteran players missing?
the defining characteristic of Coens offense last year was a run game built around an ascending Irving and an O-line that stayed largely intact through the season. Neither feature exists through the first 8 games but the blame is the play calling?
Egbuka is getting open because he runs great routes... He's not running free nor is anyone else.
You have to admit it's a little odd. Passing success is the rookie player, not Grizz. Running struggles are Grizz though, not 3-4 veteran players missing?
the defining characteristic of Coens offense last year was a run game built around an ascending Irving and an O-line that stayed largely intact through the season. Neither feature exists through the first 8 games but the blame is the play calling?
Egbuka is gaining separation but Grizz isn't fooling defenses often enough.
I'm not saying it isn't happening... And of course someone would need to break down the tape but I'm talking about plays that completely fool defenses or concepts that create easy wide open completions.
For example a well timed screen, a rub route, a trick play, well timed PA etc.
The difference between talented route runners gaining separation and the actual play fooling the defense. Watch Andy Reid for example... Plays where average WRs are running open on broken coverage etc.
Need to find ways to be clutch along with fooling defenses. As Baker could be up for MVP discussion. Not having Mike Evans will hurt the team. As need some receivers to hold down the fort for him.