Andy Reid also can't figure out or scheme against basic cover 2 and cover 3 principles and he has had 20+ years to figure out.
Sure, bud.
Kind of wild that someone who “can’t figure out or scheme against basic Cover 2 or Cover 3 principles” boast a resume that includes:
- Nearly 300 wins
- .651 winning percentage
- 17 seasons producing Top-10 scoring offenses
- 3 Super Bowl wins, and future 1st ballot Canton inductee.
Wild…
Meanwhile he lost two super bowls to basic cover 2 in recent memory.
Poor Todd Bowles had Logan Hall thrust upon him
When you have to make up a fake argument ("thrust upon him") you've surrendered. The Biggs Special
"Bowles wanted Hall" is demonstrably FALSE. FULL STOP. END OF STORY.
Biggs admits he was wrong about Bowles wanting Hall
Loons are gonna loon.
Andy Reid won ZERO Super Bowls with average WR's and his scheme.
He literally won one a few years ago with Juju and MVS as the team’s leading receivers.
Come on…
JuJu in his prime pre injury isn't the same as was he is now. Patriots would have kept him but he isn't the same after injuries. Lack of WR talent caused Brady to bolt the Patriots for Tampa Bay and also killed Mac Jones' career over there in NE.
Vrabel comes in and identifies that he needs to improve the WR talent for the Patriots to succeed. No system is going to help against modern NFL defenses and in fact had the Titans not traded away AJ Brown Vrabel is still Titans coach and Robinson is still the GM.
Regarding Grizz, I don’t like it (your analysis), but I can’t argue with it. You acknowledged the impact injuries played on play calling - but he seems to have had some clunker games with no answers. I think more of those head-scratcher games are due to a lack a line and available WR depth, and no Bucky (who is a real force multiplier in the run-game). Without the depth and Bucky, we’re an average to below average offense.You guys are just talking out your ass.
Reid won 2 super bowls without Hill. He went to another...
The offense has regressed. Part of that is due to injury, yes.
Grizz has also called a few gems but also a few duds... And he's getting absolutely bailed out by Baker's legs and backyard football.
Again as an example, the Eagles game. Both long TDs were scramble drills. That means ZERO CREDIT to Grizz and all credit to Baker improv.
It's the same with Bowles. The injuries and talent OF COURSE matter... But if we are going to anoint Grizz "elite" when he's been middle of the pack, it's going to be met with opposition. Just like if you were to call Bowles an elite play caller on defense... The stats AND eye ball test would say otherwise.
Nobody is truly objective but I'm trying my best to be. I've been hyper critical of Bowles (thus the name) and he deserves a ton of credit for the year. Outside of the Seahawks game I'd say the defense has been well above the curve of expectations and performance.
I was also very critical of Coen... He also had some head scratcher plays but ultimately the good faaaaaaaar outweighed the bad with him and he ALSO dealt with injuries (arguably more).
Grizz also deserves *some* credit for Coen's success but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Grizz has the advantage of continuity that Coen had to CREATE.
And thus far this year Grizz pitched a couple banger games against good defenses. He deserves credit and again we cannot ignore the injuries. Right now he's middle of the plack... He's not "elite".
Andy Reid is elite. Sean McVay is elite. Ben Johnson as a coordinator is elite. Etc
These are coaches that SCHEME players open regardless of the talent.
Reid is the GOAT. He can win with PS rejects.
But that's not fair to compare Reid in his 20+ years vs Grizz in his first... But when you make statements straight out your ass about Reid you have to imagine folks are gonna dunk on you.
It's ok to be a homer but know that it blinds you.
And people have called me a hater, but I don't agree. I try to give equal praise and criticism to all of our coaching.
Bowles is shutting me up and I love it.
Grizz will get better, especially with a bye week and getting people back.
But (last point) it's no surprise that the offense stopped providing when Baker stopped improv scrambling... That is/was such a critical variable to our offense in our most successful games. The last two games (probably due to injury) he's staying in the pocket....and behold, we aren't moving the ball.
Absolutely agree with all of this. It’s where I find myself as well.Regarding Grizz, I don’t like it (your analysis), but I can’t argue with it. You acknowledged the impact injuries played on play calling - but he seems to have had some clunker games with no answers. I think more of those head-scratcher games are due to a lack a line and available WR depth, and no Bucky (who is a real force multiplier in the run-game). Without the depth and Bucky, we’re an average to below average offense.You guys are just talking out your ass.
Reid won 2 super bowls without Hill. He went to another...
The offense has regressed. Part of that is due to injury, yes.
Grizz has also called a few gems but also a few duds... And he's getting absolutely bailed out by Baker's legs and backyard football.
Again as an example, the Eagles game. Both long TDs were scramble drills. That means ZERO CREDIT to Grizz and all credit to Baker improv.
It's the same with Bowles. The injuries and talent OF COURSE matter... But if we are going to anoint Grizz "elite" when he's been middle of the pack, it's going to be met with opposition. Just like if you were to call Bowles an elite play caller on defense... The stats AND eye ball test would say otherwise.
Nobody is truly objective but I'm trying my best to be. I've been hyper critical of Bowles (thus the name) and he deserves a ton of credit for the year. Outside of the Seahawks game I'd say the defense has been well above the curve of expectations and performance.
I was also very critical of Coen... He also had some head scratcher plays but ultimately the good faaaaaaaar outweighed the bad with him and he ALSO dealt with injuries (arguably more).
Grizz also deserves *some* credit for Coen's success but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Grizz has the advantage of continuity that Coen had to CREATE.
And thus far this year Grizz pitched a couple banger games against good defenses. He deserves credit and again we cannot ignore the injuries. Right now he's middle of the plack... He's not "elite".
Andy Reid is elite. Sean McVay is elite. Ben Johnson as a coordinator is elite. Etc
These are coaches that SCHEME players open regardless of the talent.
Reid is the GOAT. He can win with PS rejects.
But that's not fair to compare Reid in his 20+ years vs Grizz in his first... But when you make statements straight out your ass about Reid you have to imagine folks are gonna dunk on you.
It's ok to be a homer but know that it blinds you.
And people have called me a hater, but I don't agree. I try to give equal praise and criticism to all of our coaching.
Bowles is shutting me up and I love it.
Grizz will get better, especially with a bye week and getting people back.
But (last point) it's no surprise that the offense stopped providing when Baker stopped improv scrambling... That is/was such a critical variable to our offense in our most successful games. The last two games (probably due to injury) he's staying in the pocket....and behold, we aren't moving the ball.
Great post.
Grizz has the advantage of continuity that Coen had to CREATE.
This is the only part that puzzled me a bit. I get same system continuity but that has to be balanced against film. Coen surprised many defenses. Credit to him but I anticipated Grizz would have tougher sledding because of no surprise but then the BENEFIT of "continuity" also vanished right? Because of injury? No irving and shuffled line over and over.
the line was largely intact mar year look at the snaps
great post though
Grizz has the advantage of continuity that Coen had to CREATE.
This is the only part that puzzled me a bit. I get same system continuity but that has to be balanced against film. Coen surprised many defenses. Credit to him but I anticipated Grizz would have tougher sledding because of no surprise but then the BENEFIT of "continuity" also vanished right? Because of injury? No irving and shuffled line over and over.
the line was largely intact mar year look at the snaps
great post though
What puzzles you? Coen came in after Canales and created a new system.
The whole point in keeping Grizz was keeping the same system that he was a part of in tact.
I'm not talking about injury continuity BUT the personnel is almost exactly the same and he added Egbuka. There's very few players learning a new system (again I'm ignoring the very obvious injuries he's dealt with).
It seems to me that Grizz abandoned the unique run game Coen created and went hyper vanilla. Could that be due to injuries? Sure... But again I'll beat this drum:
The job of an ELITE play caller is making the whole greater than the sum of its parts.
Grizz imo has benefit from improv Baker and all that improv likely led to his injuries... Double edge sword.
I expect Grizz to have an excellent second half and I will sing his praise when that happens.
Grizz has the advantage of continuity that Coen had to CREATE.
This is the only part that puzzled me a bit. I get same system continuity but that has to be balanced against film. Coen surprised many defenses. Credit to him but I anticipated Grizz would have tougher sledding because of no surprise but then the BENEFIT of "continuity" also vanished right? Because of injury? No irving and shuffled line over and over.
the line was largely intact mar year look at the snaps
great post though
What puzzles you? Coen came in after Canales and created a new system.
The whole point in keeping Grizz was keeping the same system that he was a part of in tact.
I'm not talking about injury continuity BUT the personnel is almost exactly the same and he added Egbuka. There's very few players learning a new system (again I'm ignoring the very obvious injuries he's dealt with).
It seems to me that Grizz abandoned the unique run game Coen created and went hyper vanilla. Could that be due to injuries? Sure... But again I'll beat this drum:
The job of an ELITE play caller is making the whole greater than the sum of its parts.
Grizz imo has benefit from improv Baker and all that improv likely led to his injuries... Double edge sword.
I expect Grizz to have an excellent second half and I will sing his praise when that happens.
well what I meant shows up in the stats, I think. My point was that part of last years amazing success was Coen surprising defenses. No film.
if you compare the increase in scoring and yards that Coen created when he took over from Canales, it's install more than the increase and the production with Jax. Because it's lower increase (new system for existing talent) over year prior and overall performance (scoring and yards) against the league I would say some of that Coen not surprising defenses as much.
I recognize talent plays a part but that's why I looked at both stats. Could definitely be wrong but if correct it would suggest Grizz shouldn't have the same kind of success without changing it up some (sequence, little twists etc)
Andy Reid also can't figure out or scheme against basic cover 2 and cover 3 principles and he has had 20+ years to figure out.
Sure, bud.
Kind of wild that someone who “can’t figure out or scheme against basic Cover 2 or Cover 3 principles” boast a resume that includes:
- Nearly 300 wins
- .651 winning percentage
- 17 seasons producing Top-10 scoring offenses
- 3 Super Bowl wins, and future 1st ballot Canton inductee.
Wild…
Meanwhile he lost two super bowls to basic cover 2 in recent memory.
And, he’s won 1 against it.
Not to mention again, NEARLY 300 games.
Guess those weren’t against team playing Cover 2/3.
Man, after nearly 30 years, you’d think the ENTIRE league would’ve picked up on this by now.
Andy Reid won ZERO Super Bowls with average WR's and his scheme.
He literally won one a few years ago with Juju and MVS as the team’s leading receivers.
Come on…
JuJu in his prime pre injury isn't the same as was he is now…
Blah, blah, blah.
I don’t care about his one anomaly season with the Steelers.
Juju is the definition of JAG.
You said Reid, “won ZERO Super Bowls with average WR's and his scheme.”
That was EASILY proven incorrect.
so after that diversion we all still agree that Grizz is not Reid but he's also not incompetent lol
Week 8: Saints 23-3 W
Grizz: D
Bowles: A (I'd give it A+ but it's the saints)
The Saints game was reminiscent of the end of 2023 season game against the Panthers where Mayfield had injured ribs. Hopefully that is part of why the offense struggled
so after that diversion we all still agree that Grizz is not Reid but he's also not incompetent lol
Well some here called him elite. Reid is elite so that's the Genesis of the comparison
Week 8: Saints 23-3 W
Grizz: D
Bowles: A (I'd give it A+ but it's the saints)
The Saints game was reminiscent of the end of 2023 season game against the Panthers where Mayfield had injured ribs. Hopefully that is part of why the offense struggled
Yes very similar. Hopefully that's why Baker is airmailing and it isn't mental