I think McCoy is agreeing with you on this:
It's ok and yes good to be pleased with the win.
And this:
to be pleased with that performance is a disgrace
Could be wrong, but I read his comments a saying that because he played on a losing culture team he can appreciate that THIS team still found a way to win when things were not working out.
His Bucs team would have failed.
It will be interesting to watch from here because was this win just a reprieve before eventual slaughter or does it spur them on? They have some tough games ahead and almost no margin for error.
Kinda similar to the way Raheem will need to motivate/hold together his team over the same number of weeks.You don’t have to like Geraldini to respect the take. Players (especially ex/Buccaneer players) know something about a positive culture when they see one.
Giving Bowles credit for last season, as well as holding the team together thus far - doesn’t mean you support Bowles. Whether he can rally the team down the stretch is yet to be seen - but it costs nothing to give credit where it’s due.
Because if he doesn’t win the stretch run, he gets all the credit.
Holding the team together from his own mistakes? What is this, Stockholm syndrome?
So, yeah, I see what you mean. I’ll be watching both teams very closely.
Or if Kirk Cousins can dig them out of the hole he created. Because he looks absolutely cooked.
And the fact that he cooked the Bucs looks even worse now
Gerald McCoy is welcome to think that way... But he was soft as baby shit here both as a leader and player. Talented player and I give him credit for sticking with the Bucs after he left.
But let's get real... Spoiled? Loooooolz. We went damn near 2 decades without a playoff win.
Ridiculous take... All of us have endured plenty.
Spot on.
And the fact that he cooked the Bucs looks even worse now
this is probably the biggest reason, both philosophically and practically, that Bowles could lose his job.
The first loss is short week away and against a team that clearly sees the weakness in the defense, but the second game and more specifically the 3rd quarter of that game liklely puts an end to this seasons's playoff hopes
Or if Kirk Cousins can dig them out of the hole he created. Because he looks absolutely cooked.
Looks like he never really healed from the Achilles. Or, it’s in his head.
Based on some reports from the weekend, looks like we’ll see Penix next year.
Funny how McCoy gets all the grief because he was the best player on a losing team. Whatever you think of him, he was not the reason they lost! That honor belongs to all the terrible players who were on the team at the time and all the bad coaches. But McCoy is the lightning rod who gets all the grief. Nobody gives Paul Gruber a hard time. Well, he was a great player on a bad team. Is it Paul Gruber's fault they were bad? Why does Paul Gruber get a pass and McCoy gets the blame? McCoy deserves to be in the Ring of Honor for his career as a Buccaneer, and those who don't think so are incorrectly projecting their pain and suffering for those years on the wrong guy.He's just looking at it from the wrong pov because he's the one that came from the losing culture.
Or if Kirk Cousins can dig them out of the hole he created. Because he looks absolutely cooked.
Looks like he never really healed from the Achilles. Or, it’s in his head.
Based on some reports from the weekend, looks like we’ll see Penix next year.
I'm just praying they don't let Penix play this year. Dude is gonna be very good imo.
If they were to bench Cousins they'd win the division..zero doubt in my mind.
Now it's anyone's game
Funny how McCoy gets all the grief because he was the best player on a losing team. Whatever you think of him, he was not the reason they lost! That honor belongs to all the terrible players who were on the team at the time and all the bad coaches. But McCoy is the lightning rod who gets all the grief. Nobody gives Paul Gruber a hard time. Well, he was a great player on a bad team. Is it Paul Gruber's fault they were bad? Why does Paul Gruber get a pass and McCoy gets the blame? McCoy deserves to be in the Ring of Honor for his career as a Buccaneer, and those who don't think so are incorrectly projecting their pain and suffering for those years on the wrong guy.He's just looking at it from the wrong pov because he's the one that came from the losing culture.
he wasn’t the best player back then. A young Lavonte was. He was just quiet so you’d never know. He was never interviewed back then
[LVD] was just quiet so you’d never know.
what a player
You're right too, so quiet but man on the field he has been huge.
Funny how McCoy gets all the grief because he was the best player on a losing team. Whatever you think of him, he was not the reason they lost! That honor belongs to all the terrible players who were on the team at the time and all the bad coaches. But McCoy is the lightning rod who gets all the grief. Nobody gives Paul Gruber a hard time. Well, he was a great player on a bad team. Is it Paul Gruber's fault they were bad? Why does Paul Gruber get a pass and McCoy gets the blame? McCoy deserves to be in the Ring of Honor for his career as a Buccaneer, and those who don't think so are incorrectly projecting their pain and suffering for those years on the wrong guy.He's just looking at it from the wrong pov because he's the one that came from the losing culture.
In 2012 when we had that big offense and blew all those leads he had 1 sack on 112 4th qtr drop backs when we had the lead.
Funny how McCoy gets all the grief because he was the best player on a losing team. Whatever you think of him, he was not the reason they lost! That honor belongs to all the terrible players who were on the team at the time and all the bad coaches. But McCoy is the lightning rod who gets all the grief. Nobody gives Paul Gruber a hard time. Well, he was a great player on a bad team. Is it Paul Gruber's fault they were bad? Why does Paul Gruber get a pass and McCoy gets the blame? McCoy deserves to be in the Ring of Honor for his career as a Buccaneer, and those who don't think so are incorrectly projecting their pain and suffering for those years on the wrong guy.He's just looking at it from the wrong pov because he's the one that came from the losing culture.
In 2012 when we had that big offense and blew all those leads he had 1 sack on 112 4th qtr drop backs when we had the lead.
He was the epitome of the Bucs during the dead years. Pure losing culture
Yean McCoy is thinking small.
Sapp would have not been happy with that defensive performance. Surrendering that many points is not acceptable even for modern day defenses with the new rules in place. Sapp would say keep them under 17 points but the new way to look at it is to keep a team under 23 points and you have a good shot of winning.
Yean McCoy is thinking small.
I think McCoy is ONLY saying a truth, which is that sometimes you play poorly but a good team still digs it out. Could be wrong, but that is how I took his comment,
In terms of the McCoy's thinking compared to Sapp's thinking, I totally agree that Sapp would say that and 17 is the goal.
The defense should aspire to 17 points BUT take out the Giants game and they had been giving up closer to 30 going into this game. And that is the point.
That kind of performance by THIS defense happens in part because the defense on the field against the Panthers is more like a McCoy-era defense then the Sapp-era defense and, actually, it has been for a couple years:
Sapp compared to either Vea or Kancey?
Simeon Rice compared to Anthony Nelson?
Shelton Quarles compared to JJ Russell?
Derrick Brooks compared to 35 year old LVD
Kelly/Barber versus -- Thunderberk, Thomas, Hayes etc.
Shelton Quarles is the most notable in the group TO ME because way, way way behind him on the depth chart would have been someone like Justin Smith?
As far as I know Justin Smith NEVER was the featured MLB for the Bucs, like JJ Russell in this game. NOT ONE PERSON here would say in 2002 that Justin Smith wasn't a big drop off from Quarles and Justin Smith would've been surrounded by HOFers. JJ Rusell is playing next to an OLD LVD and with T Thomas next to him and Izien moved over to Safety
So, McCoy's comment taken in the CONTEXT of the team on the filed against the Panthers? Maybe it makes a little more sense.
By the way, the reason McCoy is so interesting as the MESSENGER about "spoiled" fans shows up in this thread over and over.
McCoy was a 3 time All-Pro etc. Not saying he as great, but point is He was NOT Sapp
And he never played on a Sapp-like team.
He was actually part of a "pretenders" type team, meaning you put McCoy in to play Sapp, Quincy Black in to play Brooks. Raheem Morris to play Dungy etc. Josh Freeman in for the Bull. etc.
Sapp was drafted and then the Bucs drafted the greatest WLB ever. McCoy is drafted and then. . . Brian Price
Notr saying he was great, only saying that he's probably got a little internal motivation to make that comment lol
