We have a solid back up QB. We need a starting QB. New GM and HC will agree.
I already feel sorry for the new HC when he does that and all Glennons fans turn on him before he's even coached a game.Unless it's Lovie and he sticks with him, at that point I feel sorry for my eyes having to watch another year of awful offense.
We are 4-12 and you talk about Glennon's fans turning on the new Head Coach? Is this a joke?The new coach and GM can do whatever they want to. At 4-12 the barr isn't set real high!
Right, you must be new around here, welcome to the land of the excuses where people will stubbornly refuse to admit error and come up with the lamest of reasons why their guy had no part in the bad play of the team."He's only 24""If the grass was 0.5" shorter..."
There is a difference between a reason and an excuse. Being a rookie, having multiple injuries to skill positions, and lousy playcalling are legit reasons. Despite all of that Glennon played well overall and tied a rookie record for multiple touchdown games while only playing in 13 games. Just because he wasn't a first round pick and you can't tape his picture up over your toilet doesn't mean he doesn't have potential to be a really good QB. It is widely accepted that there are 4 elite QBs in this league. Glennon had more wins his rookie season than all 4 of them put together.
And there are the assumptions that all his defenders use."If you don't like him it's because you can't get past his looks or his draft position."I couldn't care less what a player looks because that doesn't help him get the job done on the field, I'm watching football not Americas Next Top Model and once a guy is drafted they are an NFL player not a 1st, 2nd, 3rd round pick. I don't give a damn what round a guy is taken in if he shows up on the field. I HATED Freeman for the many holes in his game, I guess that's because he wasn't a 1st rounder either, oh wait...Brady may be the best QB in the league he was a freakin' 6th rounder, Brees pulls 5000 yard seasons out his arse and he wasn't a 1st rounder, Wilson was & is my favorite QB from last years draft NOT RGMe or Luck.I also couldn't care less how many wins he has as a rookie compared to the 4 elite guys (more so when 3 of the 4 sat their rookie years). You don't draft a guy for his rookie year, you draft them for the next 10-15 years, come back and measure their wins at that point.You can throw all the records, stats, "reasons" & measurements out the window, he doesn't pass the eye test when you watch him on film instead of looking at numbers on a page. The issue with Glennon is he simply doesn't have "it" when he plays. He's scared and vanishes completely for the majority of far too many games, he lacks situational awareness to the point that you can pretty much guess how he will mess a manageable conversion, there is no killer instinct. He just doesn't have what top QBs need.People who look for excuses had a lot of "reasons" why Freeman wasn't very good too, turns out he just wasn't very good.
OMG. Is this really what some of you think about a QB that came in and set and tied some rookie records (good ones I might add)? Really? Years ago when we picked Freeman I stated on the insider board that he would be a bust because of his lack of consistency and leadership. Glennon is going to be a very good QB. Elite? Probably not, but top 15...likely, assuming he gets a good HC, and OC in here. You haters seem to miss the point that he put up the numbers that he did despite all of the injuries around him, the constant pressure in his face, and all while running an offense that Mike Shula would call High School.The king of checking down? Really? What do you do when your starting receivers, which consist of one stud and a 4th string guy, can't get open because of the way teams are able to roll coverages? You check down. Glennon took quite a few shots and connected on quite a number of them. Glennon was also calm in the face of pressure most of the time, something Freeman rarely was. Glennon also knows how to keep from throwing a bunch of picks most games. This is despite the fact that he was a rookie taking backseat to Freeman during the off-season. Get Nicks back, and fix the line, then get Williams back receiving and the running backs back healthy, then put this kid in an offense that uses West Coast elements with some deeper routes, and you'll see some big numbers out of him. The kid's ability to go through his progressions relatively quickly was talked about during a couple of games. He's one of the most poised rookie QB's I've seen.Oh, and a few less costly penalties on the offensive line and the defense, and he likely would have had another 2 or 3 wins.
OMG. Is this really what some of you think about a QB that came in and set and tied some rookie records (good ones I might add)? Really? Years ago when we picked Freeman I stated on the insider board that he would be a bust because of his lack of consistency and leadership. Glennon is going to be a very good QB. Elite? Probably not, but top 15...likely, assuming he gets a good HC, and OC in here. You haters seem to miss the point that he put up the numbers that he did despite all of the injuries around him, the constant pressure in his face, and all while running an offense that Mike Shula would call High School.The king of checking down? Really? What do you do when your starting receivers, which consist of one stud and a 4th string guy, can't get open because of the way teams are able to roll coverages? You check down. Glennon took quite a few shots and connected on quite a number of them. Glennon was also calm in the face of pressure most of the time, something Freeman rarely was. Glennon also knows how to keep from throwing a bunch of picks most games. This is despite the fact that he was a rookie taking backseat to Freeman during the off-season. Get Nicks back, and fix the line, then get Williams back receiving and the running backs back healthy, then put this kid in an offense that uses West Coast elements with some deeper routes, and you'll see some big numbers out of him. The kid's ability to go through his progressions relatively quickly was talked about during a couple of games. He's one of the most poised rookie QB's I've seen.Oh, and a few less costly penalties on the offensive line and the defense, and he likely would have had another 2 or 3 wins.
Agreed. Glennon was running a Pro offense and going thru progressions for 4 years in college. He is not in the least overwhelmed by that as so many rookies are. He's got a great arm. He was running Sullivan's game plan last year, which didn't allow him to be the best he could be, given the overall weakesses of our offensive unit.
The game has changed and every QB has exaggerated stats. Records are being broken every week. Compare Glennon's stats to the past and they sound good, but it is quickly becoming the norm. There is too much being read into numbers and the obvious is being over looked. Glennon chokes. Look at his 2nd half stats and he is the worst QB in the league. How many times did he take a sack or run out of bounds or throw a check down this year, when it was do or die situation? 4th and 10 with 20 seconds left in the game? Glennon will throw a 3 yard pass or run out of bounds. Dude has zero situational awareness. Zero clutch factor. Zero upside. He's a game managing back up and our new GM & HC will recognize that.
If Glennon is so great and incredibly amazing then he can beat out whatever competition is brought in. Whether thats a 1rd pick or a Vet. I'm all for the best of our team, not the best for one individual.
Okay, while I'm not a Glennon apologist, I do need some one to explain something to me.It's pretty much acknowledged that the offensive play calling sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (rookie) to have had a winning record?It's also pretty much acknowledged that the offensive line sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (a known pocket passer) to have taken less sacks or fumbled less when he was sacked?It's fact that Glennon wasn't playing with the same number of playmakers as our former franchise quarterback, but still managed a TD:INT ratio of 2:1 and had almost a 60% completion rate behind a porous offensive line with no running game to also take pressure off the passing game.Maybe I'm not as intelligent as some of the posters here, but I don't see how anyone can say that Glennon has reached his ceiling and that ceiling is only that of a backup. It makes more sense to me that if the guy had a better offensive coordinator, had his #2 receiver and his #1 running back healthy and had a decent offensive line, I would like to believe that he would put up better numbers. Maybe he'll never be Drew Brees or Payton Manning, but I think he could be better than what we saw this year, especially with a year to put on more weight, and work with trainers to improve his limited mobility.I think Glennon deserves a chance to be Plan A, but we definitely need a Plan B. What the next head coach and general manager need to figure out is whether Plan B is a veteran like Matt Schuab(sp?) or a #1 or #2 round draft pick. If it was me, I think I would go with the vet and spend the two picks on other players to help the team.
I am inclined to agree.
The game has changed and every QB has exaggerated stats. Records are being broken every week. Compare Glennon's stats to the past and they sound good, but it is quickly becoming the norm. There is too much being read into numbers and the obvious is being over looked. Glennon chokes. Look at his 2nd half stats and he is the worst QB in the league. How many times did he take a sack or run out of bounds or throw a check down this year, when it was do or die situation? 4th and 10 with 20 seconds left in the game? Glennon will throw a 3 yard pass or run out of bounds. Dude has zero situational awareness. Zero clutch factor. Zero upside. He's a game managing back up and our new GM & HC will recognize that.
Not sure what QB you were watching. Glennon didn't have the weapons to make a bunch of comebacks, and not every top tier QB has the ability to constantly make comebacks when their team is down. Most will at least be able to make a run at it, and Glennon did so a number of times. In fact I remember a couple of comeback drives, including TD's, get called back for stupid penalties on the offensive line. Football is a team sport. Do you really think Brady would have done a whole lot better with this line and set of recievers? Sure, he would have done better, becausse he's a vet and multiple SB winner, but the reality is, it's difficult for any QB to make plays when he constantly has someone in his face and his recievers are struggling to get open. Look at Drew Brees. Was he THIS good at SD? Um...no. He has mutliple weapons and a line that keeps people out of his face, at least at home.Glennon repeatedly made plays with guys in his face. More importantly he got right back up after being hit, seemingly unfazed by what happened. That's what good QB's do. Your comment on stats is absurd. If that was the case, then why isn't every QB pushing these stats? They aren't because it's not true. The multi-TD list is very short and consists of all elite QB's save one. And to think, Glennon put up those numbers with our "awesome" fleet of recievers (my eyes just rolled out of my sockets). I'm not saying he's the next Manning or Brady. But he looks like he'll be more than good enough if we put some talent around him and give him a professional offense to run that consists of more than 12 plays.
My opinion....
Okay, while I'm not a Glennon apologist, I do need some one to explain something to me.It's pretty much acknowledged that the offensive play calling sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (rookie) to have had a winning record? Same staff and play calling as 2012 and yet garbage can Freeman played better than Glennon.It's also pretty much acknowledged that the offensive line sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (a known pocket passer) to have taken less sacks or fumbled less when he was sacked? Again, same line as 2012, and yet Garbage Can Freeman performed behind it much better than Glennon. Most of Glennon's sacks came from him making bad decisions and having zero escapability. It's fact that Glennon wasn't playing with the same number of playmakers as our former franchise quarterback, but still managed a TD:INT ratio of 2:1 and had almost a 60% completion rate behind a porous offensive line with no running game to also take pressure off the passing game. First, the completion percentage needs an * next to it that explains he had a 6.3 yards per pass average which was the lowest of any starting QB this season. As far as talent, Garbage can Freeman had far less talent in 2010 and managed to lead us to 10 wins. He carried the team on his back and lead us to 10 wins. I think the lack of playmakers definitely makes things harder on a young QB, but mostly it just showed that Glennon can't make anything happen on his own. He needs to be surrounded by great talent and protected by an elite O-line or he will continue to suck. Unless he is the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, then he will never be any better because he has no x factor. He can't brush off would be sackers, he doesn't have the mobility to escape pressure and extend plays, he can't throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy. There is no chance of him being an Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck or Ben Rapistberger or Russell Wilson. If he can break his bad habits and stop being a choke artist that feels phantom pressure in the second half, then his ceiling is Joe Flacco....and that is a stretch. So say what you will about me and my dislike for Glennon, but I'll take a QB with some sort of x factor that has shown the ability to make everyone on his team look better, over a really tall pocket passer that has to have everything just right to succeed.
The game has changed and every QB has exaggerated stats. Records are being broken every week. Compare Glennon's stats to the past and they sound good, but it is quickly becoming the norm. There is too much being read into numbers and the obvious is being over looked. Glennon chokes. Look at his 2nd half stats and he is the worst QB in the league. How many times did he take a sack or run out of bounds or throw a check down this year, when it was do or die situation? 4th and 10 with 20 seconds left in the game? Glennon will throw a 3 yard pass or run out of bounds. Dude has zero situational awareness. Zero clutch factor. Zero upside. He's a game managing back up and our new GM & HC will recognize that.
Not sure what QB you were watching.
I was watching the guy who had about 12 yards passing in the entire second half of several games.
Yes. Comparing a 4 year starter with Williams healthy, and an offensive line with it's key players healthy and playing surely makes it clear you are not seeing things as they actually are but how you wish them to be; i.e. your bias. I saw a rookie QB who trashed 3 sub-par teams, to the tune of 130+ passer ratings, while having typical rookie struggles with defenses of playoff teams. We played more playoff teams this year than anyone, having one of the toughest strengths of schedule. Your comparisons simply aren't valid. Glennon put up, at times, incredible numbers for a rookie, and struggled, at times, against good defenses as most rookies do. The offense also was not the same. It was dumbed down even more than last year, due to Glennon being a rookie. It also didn't help him that the running game was highly inconsistent. Did you notice that when he had a running game, he not only played well, he played lights out?I hadn't even heard of the guy until I saw him play. I expected nothing from the guy and was impressed by the way he actually played, especially considering the circumstances. With this exact team, during the first 3 games, Freeman played much worse...and he had Williams healthy and better running backs to work with. The fact that the league is also talking about how well this rookie played and only a handful of people in Tampa are saying otherwise, should be your first clue that you may not be right. The reality is, we won't know what this kid can truly do until he has a better set of weapons and a healthy o-line that can protect him and open holes in the running game. Once we have that...then we'll know for sure.
Bucharbour, Do not forget that Freeman' s best friend played left tackle and seemed to have his worst season yet. The offense was devided. The Bucs ran a poor offensive scheme in today's NFL. They also only had one teir 2 weapon to work with in Jackson.
If Glennon is so great and incredibly amazing then he can beat out whatever competition is brought in. Whether thats a 1rd pick or a Vet. I'm all for the best of our team, not the best for one individual.
Be serious, if a QB is selected at #7, there isn't any real competition.
Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzales, Steven Jackson. Matt Ryan should only hold a clipboard for the rest of his career after this season. He reached his ceiling and is now in his decline. Sounds like a rational debate. Right?
My opinion....
Okay, while I'm not a Glennon apologist, I do need some one to explain something to me.It's pretty much acknowledged that the offensive play calling sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (rookie) to have had a winning record? Same staff and play calling as 2012 and yet garbage can Freeman played better than Glennon.It's also pretty much acknowledged that the offensive line sucked, so if that's correct, how can any reasonable person expect Glennon (a known pocket passer) to have taken less sacks or fumbled less when he was sacked? Again, same line as 2012, and yet Garbage Can Freeman performed behind it much better than Glennon. Most of Glennon's sacks came from him making bad decisions and having zero escapability. It's fact that Glennon wasn't playing with the same number of playmakers as our former franchise quarterback, but still managed a TD:INT ratio of 2:1 and had almost a 60% completion rate behind a porous offensive line with no running game to also take pressure off the passing game. First, the completion percentage needs an * next to it that explains he had a 6.3 yards per pass average which was the lowest of any starting QB this season. As far as talent, Garbage can Freeman had far less talent in 2010 and managed to lead us to 10 wins. He carried the team on his back and lead us to 10 wins. I think the lack of playmakers definitely makes things harder on a young QB, but mostly it just showed that Glennon can't make anything happen on his own. He needs to be surrounded by great talent and protected by an elite O-line or he will continue to suck. Unless he is the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, then he will never be any better because he has no x factor. He can't brush off would be sackers, he doesn't have the mobility to escape pressure and extend plays, he can't throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy. There is no chance of him being an Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck or Ben Rapistberger or Russell Wilson. If he can break his bad habits and stop being a choke artist that feels phantom pressure in the second half, then his ceiling is Joe Flacco....and that is a stretch. So say what you will about me and my dislike for Glennon, but I'll take a QB with some sort of x factor that has shown the ability to make everyone on his team look better, over a really tall pocket passer that has to have everything just right to succeed.
While I do respect your opinion, I disagree with it. People saying Glennon needs a better supporting cast doesn't mean he needs to be surrounded by all-pros. There is a lot of wiggle room between Megatron and Chris Owusu. There is also some wiggle room between him needing a line to give him 10 seconds clean and a line that can't even let him finish his drop clean. He (and every other QB in the league) needs atleast NFL calibre players around him to reach his potential. That isn't a knock on Glennon- that is how team sports work.
If Glennon is so great and incredibly amazing then he can beat out whatever competition is brought in. Whether thats a 1rd pick or a Vet. I'm all for the best of our team, not the best for one individual.
Be serious, if a QB is selected at #7, there isn't any real competition.
Probably not. The new guy will probably ultimately win the job. But if Glennon is as real as you think, then he'll give us equity in the position to cash in on future picks. Now, is that such a terrible thing?
