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Am I wrong to think that Spytek has a better chance to get hired as a GM than Greenberg?   My logic is that it's more important for a GM to be a talent evaluator than a capologist.   The GM has to make the important calls on draft picks and big free agent signings.  I'd rather have a GM who has the instincts to make the right call on those decisions and hire a capologist to be my assistant GM rather than have the capologist in charge.  

Greenberg was the Director of Football Operations for eight seasons before he was assistant GM.  Here are the duties of that job: "overseeing the day-to-day operations of a football program, including managing logistics, budgets, schedules, compliance with league rules, facility usage, travel arrangements, and staff coordination".  

I just don't think we're in danger of losing Greenberg to a GM position.  Spytek has only been Assistant GM since 2023.  Before that VP of Player Personnel. I don't know that he's ready for a GM job just yet, but don't be surprised if neither gets hired, but if one of them goes it's going to be Spytek IMO.  The GM has a lot of jobs, but the most important one is making the call on high draft picks and high priced free agents.  

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Posted : Jan. 10, 2025 9:06 pm
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Posted : Jan. 10, 2025 9:38 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

Spytek

Yeah, so I asked ChatGPT to do Greenberg's job for him.  I'm starting to wonder if we even need Greenberg.  

 

What would be a good contract extension for Luke Goedeke in detail?

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Luke Goedeke, who plays as an offensive lineman (specifically guard) for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is a young player with potential. When considering a good contract extension for him, several factors need to be addressed: his current performance, the market for his position, the team’s salary cap situation, and potential for future development. Let's break down the details of a fair and competitive contract extension for Goedeke:

1. Base Salary/Total Value

Given that Luke Goedeke is a developing player entering his second or third season, a fair approach would be a 4-5 year extension that rewards his potential while accounting for his inexperience. A reasonable total value could range between $40 million to $55 million. This would align with contracts for starting guards of similar age and potential.

2. Annual Average Salary (AAV)

The AAV should reflect the market for starting offensive linemen. As of 2025, the average annual salary for a quality starting guard is around $10 million to $12 million. The deal could vary depending on performance and team flexibility, but aiming for an AAV of $11 million to $12 million would be reasonable given Goedeke’s trajectory.

3. Signing Bonus

A signing bonus is typically paid upfront and adds security for the player. For Goedeke, a $8 million to $12 million signing bonus would be typical for a young player on the rise. This ensures he has guaranteed money early in the deal and signals the team’s commitment to him.

4. Guaranteed Money

A significant portion of the contract should be guaranteed to provide security for Goedeke. Depending on how the contract is structured, a fair amount of $20 million to $30 million in guaranteed money could be appropriate. This would likely be split into fully guaranteed salary in the first few years, and potentially some guarantees in the later years that can be triggered based on performance or injury.

5. Incentives and Performance-Based Clauses

Given that Goedeke is still a developing player, performance incentives tied to milestones such as playing time, Pro Bowls, or All-Pro selections can be part of the deal. For example:

  • Pro Bowl Incentive: $500K to $1 million bonus per Pro Bowl appearance.
  • Playtime Incentives: Bonuses for hitting 85% or more of offensive snaps in a season.
  • Playoff Appearance Incentives: Additional bonuses tied to team success in the postseason.

These incentives not only provide financial motivation for Goedeke but also align his goals with the team’s success.

6. Contract Structure

For a player like Goedeke, the contract should be structured to offer flexibility to the team, while providing adequate financial stability for the player. Some options might include:

  • Year 1: Heavy signing bonus, smaller base salary ($1M - $2M), with the majority of the contract guaranteed.
  • Year 2-3: Slight increase in base salary, with the possibility of salary escalators or additional roster bonuses if he meets specific performance metrics.
  • Year 4-5: These years could be structured as team options, with lower base salaries but additional incentives for performance. This gives the Buccaneers flexibility, but also a chance to reward Goedeke if he exceeds expectations.

7. Team Options or Escalators

To give the team more flexibility, the final year(s) of the deal could include an option, either through:

  • Team Option in the 4th or 5th year, allowing the Buccaneers to decide whether to retain Goedeke at a set salary, or move on without major cap penalties.
  • Escalator Clauses could be included for performance above a certain level (e.g., more than 80% of snaps played or being named an All-Pro). This helps to further align the contract with Goedeke’s performance and incentivizes him to be a top contributor to the team.

8. Cap Hits

One thing to consider in structuring the contract is the cap hit. The Buccaneers are likely working within a relatively tight cap space, so having an affordable cap hit early in the deal (thanks to the structure of the signing bonus and guaranteed money) would help them balance other roster needs. The first two years should ideally have lower cap hits, followed by increasing numbers in the later years.


Sample Contract Summary:

  • Years: 4-5 years
  • Total Value: $45 million to $55 million
  • AAV: $11 million to $12 million
  • Signing Bonus: $9 million to $12 million
  • Guaranteed Money: $20 million to $30 million
  • Performance Bonuses: Pro Bowl, All-Pro, Playoff appearances, Playtime incentives
  • Option Years: 4th and 5th year team options

This type of deal offers both the team and the player a fair compromise, providing Goedeke with a substantial amount of guaranteed money and an opportunity to earn more based on performance, while also giving the Buccaneers the flexibility to pivot if necessary.

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 10, 2025 10:09 pm
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Can a computer evaluate players for NFL teams by watching them at the Senior Bowl?
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Yes, a computer can evaluate players for NFL teams by watching them at the Senior Bowl, but the process would require sophisticated technology and data analysis techniques. Here’s how it could work:

  1. Computer Vision: Using video footage of the Senior Bowl, machine learning models could analyze player movements, performance, and key metrics. Computer vision techniques, such as object detection and tracking, can track players in real-time, assess their physical traits, and monitor their actions during drills and gameplay.

  2. Data Analysis: Computers could aggregate data from the game, such as player statistics (e.g., completions, rushing yards, tackles, etc.), physical metrics (e.g., speed, agility, acceleration), and contextual performance (e.g., decision-making under pressure, positioning). This data can be used to evaluate player performance.

  3. Advanced Metrics: Machine learning models can be trained on vast datasets, including previous games, player performance, and other relevant metrics to predict how well a player might perform in the NFL. These models can incorporate player attributes like size, strength, and speed, and correlate them with potential success in the league.

  4. Player Comparison: By analyzing data from the Senior Bowl, a computer could compare current players with previous successful or unsuccessful NFL players based on historical performance patterns, injury histories, and other factors.

However, there are limitations:

  • Contextual Evaluation: Some aspects of a player's potential, such as mental toughness, leadership, or ability to handle high-pressure situations, are difficult for a computer to measure without more subjective inputs.
  • Subjectivity in Skills: NFL scouts and coaches often look at intangible qualities, like work ethic, football IQ, and off-field character, which are harder to quantify and assess purely from video footage.

So, while a computer can definitely assist in the evaluation process, it would still need to be paired with human analysis for a more comprehensive evaluation.

 
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Posted : Jan. 10, 2025 10:27 pm
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Posted by: @catherder

Yeah, so I asked ChatGPT to do Greenberg's job for him.  I'm starting to wonder if we even need Greenberg.  

Smh…

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 9:21 am
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Posted by: @catherder

Yeah, so I asked ChatGPT to do Greenberg's job for him.  I'm starting to wonder if we even need Greenberg.  

Smh…

 

Guess you didn't catch that I was joking.  Shocking!(sarcasm).  

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 9:48 am
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Posted by: @catherder

Yeah, so I asked ChatGPT to do Greenberg's job for him.  I'm starting to wonder if we even need Greenberg.  

Smh…

 

Guess you didn't catch that I was joking.  Shocking!(sarcasm).  

 

 

Considering how idiotic it was and factoring in who posted it; I was convinced it was serious. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 11:22 am
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Posted by: @catherder

Yeah, so I asked ChatGPT to do Greenberg's job for him.  I'm starting to wonder if we even need Greenberg.  

Smh…

 

Guess you didn't catch that I was joking.  Shocking!(sarcasm).  

 

 

Considering how idiotic it was and factoring in who posted it; I was convinced it was serious. 

 

That's cool.  Your mistake.    

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 2:19 pm
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As ChatGPT correctly pointed out, its the subjectivity that computers can't do much to help with 

  • Contextual Evaluation: Some aspects of a player's potential, such as mental toughness, leadership, or ability to handle high-pressure situations, are difficult for a computer to measure without more subjective inputs.
  • Subjectivity in Skills: NFL scouts and coaches often look at intangible qualities, like work ethic, football IQ, and off-field character, which are harder to quantify and assess purely from video footage.

If you can find someone who can identify those intangible qualities that's who you want for your GM and then you go out and find your capologist to be your assistant.  That's the way I'd do it.  

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 2:23 pm
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Greenberg is why we are where we are.  As long as he stays with us, our drafts will be special.  

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2025 9:55 pm
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