There he goes. Different circumstances. Referring simply to three quarterbacks in question- Prescott, cousins and mayfield.
Oh, so the “different circumstances” only apply to Dilfer vs. Marino; but not to the other 3 quarterbacks that play on the 3 different teams…who clearly all have the “same circumstances”.
Dilfer? with the rest of the Ravens? I think maybe thats 3 or 4 of those wins.
Does it matter who he was playing for?
The four QB's statistics is skewed data? Again, the data is the data. It's only "skewed" to those with inferior opinions, which the data destroys those inferior opinions - leading to excuses.
and yet this is the conclusion you reached based on your "data"
In a non-Superbowl winning season, more losses cannot equal more success. It simply can't.
and please do help make the case for Kirk.
The only way I could make the case for Kirk is by using his stats. You've seen those already and dismissed them as "skewed", so what would be the point?
Dak Prescott counts $60M against the cap in 2024.
Mayfield will count about half of that if not even less.
Prescott is a better QB than Mayfield, particularly in the regular season but is he worth losing Evans or Winfield over? I dont think many would make that trade.
Prescott dominated the regular season but turns into a "silly goose" in the playoffs. he's 2-5 with one of those wins beating up on a washed up Brady/incompetent's OC Leftwich in 2022.
Kirk Cousins is 1-4 in the playoffs. in 2022, they were 13-4 in the regular season and lost 31-24 to the Giants in the first round - a 9-7-1 team. Of course, the Vikings fans were much happier than the Giants fans because they consulted with Biggs on winning percentage as defining success.
Cousins also puts up gaudy numbers but let's look at Vikings seasons with him
2018- 8-7-1 no playoffs
2019 - 10-6, first round playoff win over saints, lost to 49ers in division round
2020 - 7-9, no playoffs
2021 - 8-9, no playoffs
2022 - 13-4, first round playoff exit.
2023 - 4-4 before the season ending injury.
if that doesn't define mediocre, i dont know what does.
So again, yes, most would rank Cousins and Prescott ahead of Mayfield in their Mahomes Mountain QB rankings but in terms of trying to win Super Bowls, Mayfield gives the Bucs the best chance because (1) he's cheaper (2) not coming off an injury in his age 35 season (3) more clutch/actually appears to step his game up in the playoffs versus the reverse
but totally Debby, if Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, or Burrow become available, let's consider it. Trevor Lawrence? ehh no thanks
I have weighed & measured your reply and find it lacking.Depends on what you mean by “elite”…
So, the answer is zero.
Everyone (well…almost) already knew that, but appreciate the clarification regardless.
it is consistent with your viewpoint that Baker sucks, but goes too far in justifying your unstated position that some mysterious candidate could have done as well/better. You still haven’t offered anything except stats used to boost guys that were supposed to have done better, especially with complete teams, but somehow never have.
Stat in one hand, and crap in the other…from my viewpoint.
including Dak Prescott & Kirk Cousins with other proven elite QB’s, doesn’t make them as good as elite QB’s - and appreciably, not better than what Baker Mayfield did with the Bucs this season.
prove me wrong.
one bite, everyone knows the rules.
Dilfer? with the rest of the Ravens? I think maybe thats 3 or 4 of those wins.
Does it matter who he was playing for?
well yes
I am not trying to sidetrack the discussion, but yes that is actually a point made by BOTH of your examples. A QB is still part of a team. Stated in your way, Brady was better than his 2022 perfromacce but had Leftwich.
There are EXTERNAL factors always. Its a team sport. Dilfer won at least 3 of those with the Ravens, in a season where he was the back up to begin. Marino was INCREDIBLE but his legacy is also partially a cautionary tale about relying ONLY on a QB
In sum, stats are most often INCOMPLETE without the context. Thats why people like to use them in football debates so much. There is always a naked stat to "support" the argument.
In sum, stats are most often INCOMPLETE without the context. Thats why people like to use them in football debates so much. There is always a naked stat to "support" the argument.
On this point, in this thread or another Biggs is actually arguing (by extension of his logic) that the Saints had as successful a season as the Bucs. That is what his STATISTICS tell him,
Statistics can prop up any argument one wants. Whether the structure withstands any pressure is an other story entirely.
In sum, stats are most often INCOMPLETE without the context
Exactly.
But, wins/losses, including playoffs, are arguably the worst metric to use in judging QB’s.
It’s the metric that includes FAR MORE variables than any other.
So again, yes, most would rank Cousins and Prescott ahead of Mayfield in their Mahomes Mountain QB rankings
See, that wasn’t so hard, now was it?
I have weighed & measured your reply and find it lacking.
The feelings are mutual.
In fact, not many would agree that Prescott or Cousins are appreciably better than Baker Mayfield.
about as many as Prescott, Cousins, Herbert… I might have missed one too.
No way this poster is serious, but he has contributed to an enjoyable read, and provided this member a couple of chuckles. A tip o' the hat to ya...
I’m with you on this one too.
No way are they serious, but definitely entertaining!
We’ll need it in the offseason.
Baker Mayfield is younger, is as good as Dak (age 30) and far superior to Kirk Cousins (35).So again, yes, most would rank Cousins and Prescott ahead of Mayfield in their Mahomes Mountain QB rankings
See, that wasn’t so hard, now was it?
For less money, and equal/better winning percentage, in playoff games.
Baker Mayfield is younger, is as good as Dak (age 30) and far superior to Kirk Cousins (35).
Well, you got 1 of 3 right!
