I disagree with you, and I don't think you are implying they aren't trying to win. But I know what you are talking about and I disagree. I think that despite the cap and contract restrictions they could have done more to go in a different direction if that's what they wanted to do. I think the Bucs think they have a legitimate contending team. They think that they can roll with Mayfield/Trask (and possibly a third candidate like Gabbert or somebody like that), make the playoffs and make some noise.@traskforce
But more importantly Jason licht already said how he would go back and mortgage the future and do it all over again because of the Super Bowl win. This is in reference to the Bucs having to bite the bullet this year
Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that brought back guys like Dean and David but to somehow in suite they are trying as hard to field a winning team as 2020-2022 just isn’t reality
"You are what your record says you are" said Bill Parcells, but the Bucs don't believe that. They think they were a better team than last year's record - that the players are there, the locker room is not lost. They think they have a good team that got sidetracked by multiple issues, and they think they'll step forward this year with a contending team. No, I haven't sat down and had beers with Jason Licht in his back yard. But the moves the Bucs have made this offseason bear this out.
Do I agree with that? I'm still on the fence. I do think they are right that they have a better team than they showed. I'm not excited about Baker Mayfield. That's where I'm hitting a speed bump. They have to get some competency at the QB position and if they get that then yes I think they can win 10 or 11 games and make the playoffs.
You are hitting a speed bump at the most important position. 100% they are rolling with mayfield and trask as 1,2 with most likely 97% chance mayfield starting season as 1.
currently the Bucs have gotten worse at every position other than linebacker/edge which remains unchanged
Talking depth moves as well. Lost SMB and Edwards in secondary. Replaced Hicks with Gaines. Still missing Gholston replacement. Lost smith and mason on the line. Let’s see how we replace them. Replaced fournette with Edmonds?
tight end and WR even have less depth but I’m with ya that we still have our guns
they are hoping they find gold with mayfield but if not, they feel they can contend in 2024 with talented roster, high draft pick and more cap room
Thanks for checking. Are you counting resigning your own free agents?I challenge you to find a team in who has made fewer moves than the Bucs this offseason. Sure you could possibly find one or two I suppose out of the 32 but not many.
Thus far, Arizona, Buffalo, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, LA Chargers, LA Rams, Miami, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Tennessee, and Washington have all signed less Free Agents than Tampa Bay. That’s 19 teams who have made less signings. Lolz @ “one or two.”
Most of the remaining teams have made the same number of moves, with only a handful having more than the Bucs. You continue to make statements that are easily disproven. You may want to buy a clue at some point.
The Bucs have signed three free agents. Hard to believe that 19 teams have signed two or less. But OK if you say so.
Thanks for checking. Are you counting resigning your own free agents?I challenge you to find a team in who has made fewer moves than the Bucs this offseason. Sure you could possibly find one or two I suppose out of the 32 but not many.
Thus far, Arizona, Buffalo, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, LA Chargers, LA Rams, Miami, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Tennessee, and Washington have all signed less Free Agents than Tampa Bay. That’s 19 teams who have made less signings. Lolz @ “one or two.”
Most of the remaining teams have made the same number of moves, with only a handful having more than the Bucs. You continue to make statements that are easily disproven. You may want to buy a clue at some point.
Since they are free agents that could have signed by any team, yes. The same is true for every other team in the NFL and the free agents they signed that were on their respective teams last season. The Bucs have signed five free agents, with two of those being on the team last season.
By the way, feel free to check this stuff out for yourself before making these foolish statements, Professor.
You are hitting a speed bump at the most important position. 100% they are rolling with mayfield and trask as 1,2 with most likely 97% chance mayfield starting season as 1.
currently the Bucs have gotten worse at every position other than linebacker/edge which remains unchanged
Talking depth moves as well. Lost SMB and Edwards in secondary. Replaced Hicks with Gaines. Still missing Gholston replacement. Lost smith and mason on the line. Let’s see how we replace them. Replaced fournette with Edmonds?
tight end and WR even have less depth but I’m with ya that we still have our guns
they are hoping they find gold with mayfield but if not, they feel they can contend in 2024 with talented roster, high draft pick and more cap room
and if you extend this back you get "they replaces a HOF TE with . . . Cade Otton
Kudos to the Bucs for trying to pull it off when Brady un-retired, but man what a mess
OK, thanks for making my point for me. We are bringing back our own FAs. At least we agree on that. Suddenly on the same side. That's a sure way to kill a discussion is to have people on the same side. And we may not be done. There are unsigned ex-Bucs still out there. Gholston and Gabbert the most likely of outstanding FAs to return, but Scotty Miller, Akiem Hicks and some others out there.... dare I mention Donova..... OK never mind, moving on. Still some players not signed with another team yet. Don't be surprised to see a couple of those FAs in a Bucs uniform for training camp.Thanks for checking. Are you counting resigning your own free agents?I challenge you to find a team in who has made fewer moves than the Bucs this offseason. Sure you could possibly find one or two I suppose out of the 32 but not many.
Thus far, Arizona, Buffalo, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, LA Chargers, LA Rams, Miami, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Tennessee, and Washington have all signed less Free Agents than Tampa Bay. That’s 19 teams who have made less signings. Lolz @ “one or two.”
Most of the remaining teams have made the same number of moves, with only a handful having more than the Bucs. You continue to make statements that are easily disproven. You may want to buy a clue at some point.
Since they are free agents that could have signed by any team, yes. The same is true for every other team in the NFL and the free agents they signed that were on their respective teams last season. The Bucs have signed five free agents, with two of those being on the team last season.
By the way, feel free to check this stuff out for yourself before making these foolish statements, Professor.
OK, thanks for making my point for me. We are bringing back our own FAs. At least we agree on that. Suddenly on the same side. That's a sure way to kill a discussion is to have people on the same side. And we may not be done.
There are 19 teams that have re-signed their own free agents, as it’s not a novel concept. Keeping in mind there were also 19 teams that have signed less FA’s than Tampa, which stunned the hell out of you, that number of teams who re-signed their own would probably be higher if more of those teams were as active as Tampa has been.
You continue to show you don’t really understand how the NFL in general and specifically FA/contracts work. You’ve proven that with post after post after post, Professor.
Some people here ain't got enough to do to keep themselves busy.
Signing our own free agents (like Anthony Nelson) = Licht bringing back the team because he thinks Brady held them back.
very well thought out
zero anti-Brady bias seeping in
To put things in perspective, cbssports had an article which gave our offseason a C and ranked 24/32 teams
would think that’s closer to the truth than this notion that we are trying to compete this year
It’s more likely than not that mayfield is who we thought he was and we see a QB carasoul disaster on the way to a top 5 pick. (And I love the mayfield signing)
doesn’t mean the Bucs are purposefully tanking and/or won’t keep talent to help build for the future
stop bashing Brady. He had a shit year and threw for 25 touchdowns. I’ll think it’ll take us in mid way 2024 season for Bucs QBs to match that mark!
Florida isn't a QB school. It's more of a skill position school. It's not rocket science.
You can throw out crap like Texas Tech and Wyoming all you want but those schools don't come close to consistently recruiting the talent that Florida does.
Your 2 best qbs ever were Rex Grossman and (lol) Tim Tebow. For how bad Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, and Marcus Mariota were/are, they still had better careers than those 2... and all of those QBs were top 3 picks.
Then of course Herbert is head and shoulders above anything Florida can muster up.
Plus Dan Fouts, Dennis Dixon, Kellen Clemens, AJ Feely... all played actual snaps in the NFL or were career backups.
Oregon isn't a great qb school but they put talent in the NFL... way better than Florida ever will.
It would be like me saying to draft a WR from Oregon... we aren't a WR school. Maybe that can change but top talent WR doesn't flock to Oregon like it doesn't to SEC schools.
This isn't some school bias. How a school recruits and develops talent MATTERS.
Richardson is going to flop... could he beat the odds? Of course... but I'll take my chances drafting from schools that produce that type of talent UNLESS there is clear and evident TAPE TALENT & NUMBERS to dispute it.
Richardson had none of those... the "experts" are falling in love with some long runs and tight window throws that he will NEVER EVER EVER do at the NFL level.
I'd bet anything anyone wants about Richardson or Trask... it's as close to a guarantee as it gets.
Florida has so much great talent but it ain't at QB. The fact that Trask put up the numbers he did to get drafted where he did just shows it.
So spare me the logical fallacy argument. Florida isn't a qb school, Richardson isn't good, and neither is Trask.
If you want to say I have an anti-Brady bias, then it's an anti-Brady 2022 bias. Anti not just Brady, but the whole Brady show, including Brady but not just him. Firstly, Brady was not Tom Brady in 2022. Secondly, Leftwich had no ability to make any adjustments to account for Brady's limitations. Apparently he didn't even make the adjustments Bowles wanted him to make, and he was fired. Thirdly, and maybe most importantly, I think the whole team was just over the Brady hype, the Brady show. They just didn't see where it was going. The team no longer believed that Brady could will them to victory. If you think I have something against Brady in general I have no idea why you would think that. I have never said anything against Brady except in reference to 2022 and a hypothetical 2023.Signing our own free agents (like Anthony Nelson) = Licht bringing back the team because he thinks Brady held them back.
very well thought out
zero anti-Brady bias seeping in
The main difference between me and some other posters is that they think that Brady was somehow holding things together in 2022 like the kid putting his finger in the dyke. If it wasn't for him the Bucs would have sunk to 4-13 or something. I don't believe that. I think if we had for instance Andy Dalton we wouldn't have been any worse. So that's a difference of opinion about Brady 2022 between me and many others, but it's only about Brady 2022. If you think I have something against Brady in general you are incorrect and frankly disingenuous because you know this.
If you think I have something against Brady in general you are incorrect and frankly disingenuous because you know this.
Oh really...
I think if we had for instance Andy Dalton we wouldn't have been any worse.
Either you have a bias against Brady, or you have the football acumen of an empty beer can.
As I mentioned before, I admire your commitment to the dumbest post of the year (thus far).
Love the devotion, bro.
