Well yeah. We knew that last year
they won’t fire Bowles mid year, would they?
might as well wait until offseason
Totally agree!!
Unfortunately this is what you get when nepotism is involved. While they're not blood family, Arians and Bowles might as well be father and son. Bowles played for Arians at Temple. What father would not want to give his son a head coaching opportunity? Arians brought all kinds of other people in from his family tree at Temple. This worked well while Arias was running the ship. Not so well since. Big changes are coming, if not now, then during the offseason.
Todd "The Toilet" Bowles... Flush this dude quick, he's drinking up the place ..
its funny because Arians thought he was doing Todd a favor by handing him this gig. What were the other options, Leftwich? BA stepping down so late - we had no choice but to promote best candidate at the time. Now we're in purgatory and that's ok.
its funny because Arians thought he was doing Todd a favor by handing him this gig. What were the other options, Leftwich? BA stepping down so late - we had no choice but to promote best candidate at the time. Now we're in purgatory and that's ok.
I like the purgatory reference because this season the Bucs are cleaning up their cap sins.
As for Arians and Bowles, I think you are right there was no one else and he gave Bowles a real chance. If the defense held yesterday there would still be grumblings but nowhere near the anger existing today specifically at Bowles
its funny because Arians thought he was doing Todd a favor by handing him this gig. What were the other options, Leftwich? BA stepping down so late - we had no choice but to promote best candidate at the time. Now we're in purgatory and that's ok.
I like the purgatory reference because this season the Bucs are cleaning up their cap sins.
As for Arians and Bowles, I think you are right there was no one else and he gave Bowles a real chance. If the defense held yesterday there would still be grumblings but nowhere near the anger existing today specifically at Bowles
I would say a good 90% of us would have thought a one and done would have been justified after last years performance - taking a Super Bowl high odds favorite team and producing a losing record. Sure many blame and excuses to go around but it happened under his leadership and not one person would have had Bucs with losing record especially after starting 2-0. Utter failure in season 1
this season, the expectations were not there. He starts out 3-1, just maybe we are onto something. Nope. Fools gold, once again loses the lockeroom before thanksgiving
at 5,6 wins in which we ultimately end up, hard to argue to keep Bowles around Especially again after starting 3-1.
taking a Super Bowl high odds favorite team and producing a losing record.
You always bring this up, so I assume you know the weakness in that claim. :-)
I am not sure last year was actually "under Bowles leadership," as one thinks of a HC typically. He has said plainly it was not. This year is different though. His coaches, one obvious difference. His only defense to being fired is/was that the team didnt really re-load for clearing cap, but that defense doesn't go very far if his HIGH PAID defense is the cuplrit.
I think hes done because his defense cant get much better this season, at least not based on talent. He took out Neal, but Dee Delaney was in on some of those bad plays. Maybe he goes all-in blitzing and man.
and the pressure to play Trask, especially if Mayfield plays like yesterday (not great but good)
taking a Super Bowl high odds favorite team and producing a losing record.
You always bring this up, so I assume you know the weakness in that claim. :-)
Ah yes, the infamous "timing leap" weakness. You've had your ass handed to you multiple times on this, but true to form - you stay completely shameless.
He "always brings it up" because it's reality. Once again:
I think - I don't know, to be clear, and am too lazy to look lol - but I think you're making the timing leap that Badabing always pushes here.
I believe Vegas was "high" on the Bucs when Brady announced his return, but the kept dropping from there.
again, could be wrong
Naturally, you are wrong. The Buccaneers had the second best odds to win the Super Bowl in September of 2022.
lolz @ the "timing leap" nonsense.
Always foolishly fervent in your defense of Bowles and Leftwich. Very admirable, in a short-bus kinda way.
taking a Super Bowl high odds favorite team and producing a losing record.
You always bring this up, so I assume you know the weakness in that claim. :-)
Ah yes, the infamous "timing leap" weakness. You've had your ass handed to you multiple times on this, but true to form - you stay completely shameless.
He "always brings it up" because it's reality. Once again:
I think - I don't know, to be clear, and am too lazy to look lol - but I think you're making the timing leap that Badabing always pushes here.
I believe Vegas was "high" on the Bucs when Brady announced his return, but the kept dropping from there.
again, could be wrong
Naturally, you are wrong. The Buccaneers had the second best odds to win the Super Bowl in September of 2022.
lolz @ the "timing leap" nonsense.
Always foolishly fervent in your defense of Bowles and Leftwich. Very admirable, in a short-bus kinda way.
sorry your feelings were hurt
taking a Super Bowl high odds favorite team and producing a losing record.
You always bring this up, so I assume you know the weakness in that claim. :-)
I am not sure last year was actually "under Bowles leadership," as one thinks of a HC typically. He has said plainly it was not. This year is different though. His coaches, one obvious difference. His only defense to being fired is/was that the team didnt really re-load for clearing cap, but that defense doesn't go very far if his HIGH PAID defense is the cuplrit.
I think hes done because his defense cant get much better this season, at least not based on talent. He took out Neal, but Dee Delaney was in on some of those bad plays. Maybe he goes all-in blitzing and man.
and the pressure to play Trask, especially if Mayfield plays like yesterday (not great but good)
i find it funny that you want to debate that 2022 wasn't a disaster. Was supposed to be a joyous occasion of Bowles taking over a Superbowl ready team and he fumbled the shit out of it. Of course, 2022 was not as talented as 2021 roster, but im pretty sure Brady himself wouldn't have come out of retirement under the hashtag" Unfinished business" if an acceptable result was getting their shit pushed in in the first round of the playoffs and enduring his first losing season as a two + decade veteran. They underachieved as i am sure you are likely the only person to say they didn't. Would you agree at least that you are of the minority of those supporting Bowles for what i will call the 2022 season?
and hey we are all wrong at times. it's ok. As you point out my claim on Julio Jones being AB 2.0; it turns out the only thing they had in common was all the time they missed in their final years as Bucs :)
and you want to win this crazy debate that 2022 wasn't an underperformance in all facets yet agree that Bowles is likely out after this season when he will likely perform to expectations ~ 6 wins. That is what Vegas had. In hindsight, Bowles will be viewed as a failure; something again 90% of us knew by Week 6 last year
in terms of Trask vs Mayfield. Mayfield is not the problem and he also isn't the solution. But if you asked me is it more likely they sign him to a one or two year detail in the off-season i would say he is playing well enough that that may just be the case. Listen, the Bucs will likely fire Bowles, hire an offensive minded head coach and draft a first round QB next year. That being said, they may want to throw $25M at Mayfield to enter as starter and not rush the rookie - have an actual competition.
Baker is projected to have 26 TDs, 9 INTS with a 93 QBR and nearly 4,000 passing yards. Those numbers would rank him top 10
is he a top 10 QB? no way. but is he a top 15-20? - i think you can argue that he is better than the following teams QBs with relative ease - Giants, Falcons, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals, Packers, Vikings, Bears, Raiders, Titans, Colts, Pittsburgh, New England and Jets.
so is he where we need to be? the gold standard of chasing Superbowls? Absolutely not but he isn't bottom 5 in the league like many had him ranked entering the season.
as for Trask, i admire the dedication to supporting this guy but he hasn't shown much in his 3 years in the NFL and next year is his final year of the contract. if anything, this team needs to find a guy that they will have for 4-5 years on the rookie deal and go from there.
The minute Mayfield was signed signaled the end of Kyle Trask as a potential starter in this league. And i am all in favor of starting Trask to see what he has but i dont think the front office or coaching staff will do this until AFTER thanksgiving as clearly 37 points should be enough to win a football game. I could see the Bucs losing the next 3 games and then the Bucs fire Bowles and have the interim go with Trask as the season is washed. I dont think they go to Trask while Bowles is still fighting for his job though; but judging by yesterday, i also wouldn't be surprised if Bucs didn't win another game under Todd "YEEEEEEAAAAAAAH" Bowles.
i find it funny that you want to debate that 2022 wasn't a disaster.
Huh? 2022 was a disaster. I just don't place that disaster wholly at Bowles feet like you and 90% your referenced
I would say a good 90% of us would have thought a one and done would have been justified after last years performance
I don't place that disaster wholly at Bowles feet because the team wasn't that good.
That's why I referenced the odds. Before Brady's return the Bucs odds of winning the 2022 Super Bowl were roughly the same as Indianapolis. I think they finished 4-12? In other words, the "2nd best odds" was the Brady Effect. The odds literally jumped with the tweet lol. He was the GOAT . . . carry any team to victory. And yes the Bucs odds dropped through the season to reflect that.
I also dont because CIRCUMSTANCES matter, just like in any job
The circumstances are the #1 thing fans leave out. You can see it in the Licht discussion right now with JC. Any GM is more than a drafter, but Licht is really more TO THE GLAZERS.
In terms of this discussion though about Bowles, I was in the 10% who said he would not get fired because of the circumstances. Not his coaches, dropped job on him, not really his team, the power of Brady etc. HE AND OTHERS HAVE SINCE SAID THAT WAS ALL TRUE
Lastly, you kind of dismissively say this " of course, 2022 was not as talented as 2021 roster," but it was not even close, especially when you factor in injury. That is why there was a 10% lol and why the Bucs were the COLTS before Brady's return.
In the 90% with you were BUNCHES of people who tied all of the offenses failing son Leftwich. Leftwich sucked but this years team has also pass protected well but sucked at running . . weird . . huh? the TE play for this years team has also been pretty crappy, especially at blocking . . weird huh? The same defense that got picked apart against Dallas, just got picked apart again.
Again, Leftwich SUCKED but if you are in the camp that saw Bucs as true SB contenders the 2022 season was even more shocking because you most likely overlooked all the problems from lesser talent to team dysfunction and certainly the defense . . until Dallas.
I def overlooked lol
even with all the signs
Marpet retiring but then we got shaq mason so I’m like maybe
gronk taking his damn time to come back but I figured he’ll come back. Then he retired and I’m like maybe he wants to play half a season and come back for playoffs
Logan hall taking out Ryan Jensen in shorts. I’m like ok this is pretty fucked up. Are you kidding me?
brady taking 11 days off in camp. It’s ok he’s the goat
signing Julio jones after a stupid signing in Russell gage. AB 2.0 I thought!
didn’t like replacing JPP and Suh with just Hicks. Lost a lot of leadership on D but both guys were washed up so I thought not a big deal
at 2-0, I thought offense hasn’t played great but good teams win even when playing lack luster
at 2-2 I thought it’s ok played s good greenbay and chiefs team.
at 3-2 I thought oh no we are in trouble. Barely hung on if not for a “Brady call” to hold off the beginning of the end there. Who would have thought a Win is what’s defined the crumbling identity of the team
then after back to back losses against Steelers and panthers, I got on board with wtf is this? The enjoyment of 2020,2021 was no more and we were once again the Bucs of pre Brady
Everyone overlooked because we are all fans hoping for best
the difference lies in how people responded when the results didn’t match the expectation. There were some who posted essentially that it WAS a Super Bowl team without Leftwich.
that’s why the Dallas playoff game should’ve been a real eye opener.
