There's still talk out there about the possibility the Bucs could move on from Bowles, and I think the talk is a lot louder because of the high-profile names who have become available in recent days. I don't think there would be any talk at all if it wasn't for that. But just as fans might salivate over bringing in one of those guys, the Glazers may very well be salivating over that as well. For my part, I'm salivating right now. I'm not in favor of firing Bowles... unless we can get one of these guys. Here's my order of preference, all of whom I would take over Todd Bowles:
1) Pete Carroll. We've had success with a charismatic coach at the end of his career. He's a defensive coach, and you might remember one of his offensive staff was Dave Canales. So, you could keep the offensive continuity and bring in the guy who can energize the team and the fan base like Arians did.
2) Bill Belichick. He would have to agree to hand over the GM duties to Licht who is respected around the league. He would be wise to keep Canales as OC. This would not be the typical situation of a HC wanting to hire coordinators who are loyal to them- "their guys". It's not like that because Belichick is the best coach in the history of the NFL and Canales has one year of OC under his belt. There wouldn't be a question about who has the authority. If Belichick wants to come to Tampa Bay "don't look a gift horse in the mouth!" as they say.
3) Jim Harbaugh. I'm putting him 3rd because he would want total control of the organization. If he comes here it probably means Licht will soon be gone ala Rich McKay when he hired Gruden at the behest of ownership. He won't be coming to the Buccaneers, but still he'd be an upgrade so I'll include him.
4) Nick Saban. He blames the team doctor for his failure with the Dolphins. That team doctor failed Drew Brees's physical when he was set to go to the Dolphins and they traded for Daunte Culpepper. So, Saban said right then he knew the NFL wasn't going to work out for him. Wow. So, that's not good that he just gives up like that. But still Saban is a great coach and yes it does depend a lot on the players you get especially the quarterback. So I'd take Saban over Bowles.
5) Mike Vrabel. He's a respected head coach who will be in demand. As with any head coach, Bowles will wear thin on the players over time, and if you have a competent experienced coach like Vrabel who commands the respect of the players then that's a good start. I think Vrabel would be a fresh start for the Bucs, but he's not a typical retread and he's not somebody who has to go out and prove he is a legitimate head coach in this league. I'd take him over Bowles.
All due respect to Ben Johnson and the other coordinators and retreads, I don't think the Bucs would change coaches for those other guys. But the Glazers like to make a splash, and the opportunity is there for them to do that this offseason so of course we will all stay tuned.
Glazers will probably really want Belichick. They had a hard on for Parcells through multiple hiring cycles and he left them at the altar both times.
well, we'd have the inside track on Belichick, one would think. Not sure that happens though
97% chance Bowles returns regardless of Monday
but i could see the loser of Monday nights game being all in on Belichick
im not sure if he would want to follow in Brady's footsteps but not sure how much of that would drive his decision
the Eagles would be a great fit for Bill in which he has the talent on defense and could have McDaniels calling the offense. Eagles are a talented team and a loss to the Bucs, an inferior talent team, might spell the end of Nick Siriani
Imo what has made us successful as a team isnt from one coach but from our entire staff, this is a really good staff that has been able to develop players, we just need Todd to develop into a more fiery HC that can be more innovative in schemes and more motivating. I wanna see him coach up his own staff or guys, we need a todd bowles micd up to see how involved he is and compare himself to arians. Theyre not the same guy but he needs to know when to push and when to relax. He still a DC acting as HC he needs to be more HC acting as coordinator that also knows how to scheme offense in a way where he can put his own 2 cents but still leave control like Arians did for him. Like when Arians can say i wanna blitz right here and bowles got him, he needs to be able to say i wanna take a shot right here and canales has him
Bowles isn't going to develop into a different style of coach after six plus years as a HC. He may have more or less success based on the players he's given or the coaches under him or just the way the ball bounces in the NFL. But Bowles is Bowles. As I said, I'm not in favor of firing him just for the sake of making a change, but there are some proven coaches out there including some of the best ever. Is Bowles so indispensable that we shouldn't consider trying to get one of those guys?Imo what has made us successful as a team isnt from one coach but from our entire staff, this is a really good staff that has been able to develop players, we just need Todd to develop into a more fiery HC that can be more innovative in schemes and more motivating. I wanna see him coach up his own staff or guys, we need a todd bowles micd up to see how involved he is and compare himself to arians. Theyre not the same guy but he needs to know when to push and when to relax. He still a DC acting as HC he needs to be more HC acting as coordinator that also knows how to scheme offense in a way where he can put his own 2 cents but still leave control like Arians did for him. Like when Arians can say i wanna blitz right here and bowles got him, he needs to be able to say i wanna take a shot right here and canales has him
the whole league is moving toward young and modern coaching, no reason for us to do the opposite and go after belichick
the whole league is moving toward young and modern coaching, no reason for us to do the opposite and go after belichick
Agree. His style of coaching is obsolete, or nearly so. Most modern players don't respond well to that level of criticism and discipline.
Players love playing for Bill Belicheck because he connects with his team. All the way down from QB to the 53rd man on the roster and knows what his players are doing on and off the field. I have great respect for him as a leader and the GOAT HC - but we need to find younger. The goal should be to find the next Tomlin, not these 3-4 year stop gaps.
There's a reason you want to find the next Tomlin. How many coaches have been hired since he was hired 17 years ago? There's been 213 since Belichick was hired 24 years ago, so doing the math that means about 150. So you want us to go out and hire some young guy hoping that he'll be that one out of 150? Sounds great! Good luck. But the average HC lasts four seasons, and with the Buccaneers you'd be well advised to bet the under on that bet.The goal should be to find the next Tomlin, not these 3-4 year stop gaps.
In the meantime, you don't want to bother with some "stopgap" future hall of famer because they're over the hill? By your definition then Bruce Arians "stop-gapped" us all the way to the Superbowl! Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick still know how to coach. They don't need a great 40 time. I'll gladly take two or three years at the end of the HOF career of Pete Carroll or Bill Belichick over spinning the roulette wheel hoping to find the next great HC at the beginning of their career.
You have a very black and white way of looking at things and you need to stop being dense. Yeah, no shit its hard to find a Mike Tomlin, just like its hard to win a super bowl because you literally have to have hall of fame level players to win one. Arians would still be coaching if he did not have health problems we did not know when things would get worse or if they were. We'd be in year 6 with Bruce Arians IF his health held up. You would be silly to assume we are getting HALF of that time from Bill Belicheck who really only wants to coach to pass the total wins mark - as he needs 15. Its not going to be worth the time of 2 years to invest in changing the culture especially knowing there won't be a HOF QB righting the ship.There's a reason you want to find the next Tomlin. How many coaches have been hired since he was hired 17 years ago? There's been 213 since Belichick was hired 24 years ago, so doing the math that means about 150. So you want us to go out and hire some young guy hoping that he'll be that one out of 150? Sounds great! Good luck. But the average HC lasts four seasons, and with the Buccaneers you'd be well advised to bet the under on that bet.The goal should be to find the next Tomlin, not these 3-4 year stop gaps.
In the meantime, you don't want to bother with some "stopgap" future hall of famer because they're over the hill? By your definition then Bruce Arians "stop-gapped" us all the way to the Superbowl! Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick still know how to coach. They don't need a great 40 time. I'll gladly take two or three years at the end of the HOF career of Pete Carroll or Bill Belichick over spinning the roulette wheel hoping to find the next great HC at the beginning of their career.
And by the way, "next Mike Tomlin", was hired 7 years ago, his name is Sean McVay. Just because they don't happen so often does not mean its NOT possible. And unlike many organization the Buccaneers are operated by good management (Licht) and owners(Glazers). That's step 1 and 2 of finding a hire like that, meanwhile, 1/3 of the league higher managements are just in it for business and pleasure. And yes they don't need to be 40, they need to be someone with potential who can coach for a long time. When I said the next McVay - I meant as in finding someone who can coach LONG-TERM. They don't have to fall under the young category. I'd gladly be fine with hiring a retread if he turned out to be Andy Reid 2.0 who has coached the Chiefs for the past 11 seasons and counting. Spoiler alert, we aren't getting 10 years from the hoodie.
You aren't making a lot of sense here. Arians is old so he's having health problems, but he would still be coaching if he didn't have health problems. Well, that's because he's old. You're assuming Belichick will hang it up when he gets 15 wins. Why would Belichick hang it up but Arians wouldn't have?You have a very black and white way of looking at things and you need to stop being dense. Yeah, no shit its hard to find a Mike Tomlin, just like its hard to win a super bowl because you literally have to have hall of fame level players to win one. Arians would still be coaching if he did not have health problems we did not know when things would get worse or if they were. We'd be in year 6 with Bruce Arians IF his health held up. You would be silly to assume we are getting HALF of that time from Bill Belicheck who really only wants to coach to pass the total wins mark - as he needs 15. Its not going to be worth the time of 2 years to invest in changing the culture especially knowing there won't be a HOF QB righting the ship.There's a reason you want to find the next Tomlin. How many coaches have been hired since he was hired 17 years ago? There's been 213 since Belichick was hired 24 years ago, so doing the math that means about 150. So you want us to go out and hire some young guy hoping that he'll be that one out of 150? Sounds great! Good luck. But the average HC lasts four seasons, and with the Buccaneers you'd be well advised to bet the under on that bet.The goal should be to find the next Tomlin, not these 3-4 year stop gaps.
In the meantime, you don't want to bother with some "stopgap" future hall of famer because they're over the hill? By your definition then Bruce Arians "stop-gapped" us all the way to the Superbowl! Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick still know how to coach. They don't need a great 40 time. I'll gladly take two or three years at the end of the HOF career of Pete Carroll or Bill Belichick over spinning the roulette wheel hoping to find the next great HC at the beginning of their career.
And by the way, "next Mike Tomlin", was hired 7 years ago, his name is Sean McVay. Just because they don't happen so often does not mean its NOT possible. And unlike many organization the Buccaneers are operated by good management (Licht) and owners(Glazers). That's step 1 and 2 of finding a hire like that, meanwhile, 1/3 of the league higher managements are just in it for business and pleasure. And yes they don't need to be 40, they need to be someone with potential who can coach for a long time. When I said the next McVay - I meant as in finding someone who can coach LONG-TERM. They don't have to fall under the young category. I'd gladly be fine with hiring a retread if he turned out to be Andy Reid 2.0 who has coached the Chiefs for the past 11 seasons and counting. Spoiler alert, we aren't getting 10 years from the hoodie.
As for the Bucs- after Rich McKay they've had 12 coaches in 37 years. Do the math that's 3.1 years on average. We aren't getting ten years from the hoodie. What makes you think we'd get ten years out of anybody? I'll vote for quality over quantity. I'll take three years of a future HOF coach any time. Even that's no guarantee of success of course, but I'll take that risk over the gamble of a rookie HC.
in his Fab 5 SR throws cold water on those older HC candidates.
He says the Glazers will not go there because the Bucs are a playoffs team at the moment but would need several years to be a Super Bowl contender so not good for a 70+ year old coach
Its a pretty good read
Well, I envision Pete Carroll or even Bill Belichick coming in and working with Licht and Canales to build on what we have going and take it to another level. If they were going to come in and start over as they would have when they were younger then no I wouldn't be in favor of that. I think it's possible. Will it happen? Probably not.in his Fab 5 SR throws cold water on those older HC candidates.
He says the Glazers will not go there because the Bucs are a playoffs team at the moment but would need several years to be a Super Bowl contender so not good for a 70+ year old coach
Its a pretty good read
