Comparing Greg Schiano to Raheem Morris: Have the Buccaneers Improved Under Their New Head Coach?By Leo Howell - Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:58 pmNov 24, 2013; Detroit, MI, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano on the sidelines during the third quarter against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field. Andrew Weber-USA TODAY Sports Greg Schiano told season ticket holders at an event earlier this season that the Buccaneers were in a position of “needing” him, which he would later clarify meant the team needed his brand of discipline. But with the team sitting at 4-9 as they prepare for Schiano’s 30th game in charge, did they get what they bargained for in the authoritarian head coach? Since Schiano decided to bring Raheem Morris into the discussion, as the coach he replaced who left the team in “bad shape” and in need of Schiano’s presence, let’s compare Raheem Morris’ tenure in charge of the Buccaneers to that of Schiano. Wins The most important and obvious statistic of them all should be the first topic of discussion. And as we stand, Greg Schiano would need to win two of the final three games of the season to match the number of wins earned by Morris in his first two seasons in charge in Tampa Bay. And considering the obvious upgrades in talent from Morris’ time in Tampa to Schiano’s, I think it’s a fair argument to say Morris has the advantage here, even if he got a bit lucky in terms of schedule compared to the former Rutgers coach. Greg Schiano has the benefit of a veteran, healthy Gerald McCoy rather than Chris Hovan. He also has Vincent Jackson, who is far better than any receiver under Morris. The talent discrepancies could go on for a while, but most Buccaneer fans acknowledge that the front office didn’t exactly load the roster in the late 2000?s and early 2010?s. So it’s fair to say that Schiano’s inability to win football games leaves him trailing the coach he replaced.
December 17, 2011; Tampa, FL, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Raheem Morris during the first quarter against the Dallas Cowboys at Raymond James Stadium. Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports Offensive and Defensive Production The two coaches in question in this comparison had opposite effects on the offense upon their arrival. Raheem Morris didn’t have a quarterback when he arrived, and was handed Josh Freeman via the draft and groomed him into a productive starter by year two. Because of Freeman’s progress, the Bucs saw a leap from 30th to 20th in terms of total yards of offense in Morris’ second season. 20th still isn’t good, but with an improved defense, it was certainly good enough. For Schiano, the opposite is true. He acquired a quarterback with an inconsistent track record but plenty of talent which he put on display at times during the first year the new head coach had him under center. But Schiano and Freeman could no co-exist in the same locker room, so Schiano (whether the ordeal was his fault or not) forfeited his stability under center and let go of the signal caller. But despite the struggles on offense for both coaches, they had a similar impact on defense. The yardage rankings for the Tampa Bay defense shot up the charts in year two for both coaches. Morris improved his defense from 27th to ninth, while Schiano has improved his from 23rd to 12th. The downfall of the Schiano offense is certainly troublesome, but the blame can’t be entirely placed on Schiano. The Josh Freeman situation was damaging to the offense, but it should still be much better than it is. The team leaves plays on the field on a weekly basis, and makes awful mistakes which set them back. But we’ll call this category a push, for arguments’ sake, because both coaches saw improvements on defense and less-than-stellar offense. Turnover Margin Again, we have a category with similarity between Schiano and Morris. During Raheem’s first season in Tampa, the Buccaneers finished with the 22nd ranked turnover margin. In his second season, it improved to fifth. For Greg Schiano’s teams, the turnover margin improved from 12th to second. Both coaches helped limit mistakes and generate turnovers during their second year in charge, but Schiano did a better job at first of limiting mistakes and turning around a team which was dead last in turnover margin in 2011 in Morris.
Sep 22, 2013; Foxborough, MA, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano against the New England Patriots during the second quarter of a game at Gillette Stadium. Brad Penner-USA TODAY SportsMissed Tackles Nothing ruins a good defensive plan like a missed tackle. Lining up a stop only to see a runner escape for more yardage ruins even the most well-designed calls on defense. But missed tackles aren’t only on the players. They’re a reflection of the coaching they receive, and the effort the players are putting forth at executing a basic fundamental of the game. And since Pro Football Focus began tracking missed tackles and other data in 2008, the Buccaneers have never had more missed stops than they did in 2011. The team missed 10.5 tackles per game, and was otherwise sloppy and ineffective on defense. So other than this horrific year in which the team fell apart under a lame duck head coach, when have the Buccaneers been at their best as tacklers? Under Raheem Morris in 2009 and 2010. Morris’s teams missed 7.25 tackles per game in 2009, and only 5.88 per game in 2010. Compare that to Greg Schiano’s teams, which have missed 7.63 tackles per game and 8.77 per game in his first two seasons. It doesn’t sound like the Buccaneers are that much more disciplined than they were under the “players’ coach” that came before Schiano. They’re still missing tackles, and that’s allowing well-designed defensive plays and aggressive defensive playcalls to turn into big plays. Penalties Penalties are yet another area where players are the ones making mistakes, but they are also reflecting the coaching and teaching they receive from their coaches. And Greg Schiano’s teams are being penalized more than Raheem Morris’ ever were. Morris started off his career with a team penalized only 5.8 times per game in 2009, which ranked 14th (in this case, ranking means “least to most” penalties per game). Things would slip a bit in 2010, falling to 6.2 penalties a game, but he was still fairly consistent. It wasn’t until 2011 when things fell apart, and the Buccaneers were flagged 7.7 times per game and finished 29th in the league in Morris’ final season. So when Schiano took over, he was able to improve the penalty situation and get the team back toward the middle of the pack, picking up 6.3 penalties per game in 2012. But his team has regressed in 2013, currently sitting 32nd in the NFL in flags per game. The Buccaneers are penalized more than eight times per contest in 2013 under the coach who promised to bring discipline and accountability. That’s not a good sign for Schiano. Conclusion Nothing about Greg Schiano’s second year in charge stands out from anything Raheem Morris did during his time in Tampa Bay. If anything, Schiano’s offensive setback has been damaging to the team, as they’ve been unable to take advantage of their excellent turnover margin. Which must beg the question for the leadership in Tampa Bay: Is Greg Schiano the right man for the job? He’s been given more talent and better draft classes from his general manager (who has been steadily building a very good roster since 2009), and yet doesn’t stand out from his predecessor who he proudly proclaimed he would clean up the mess for. Schiano has done nothing yet to inspire confidence that he’s a capable NFL head coach. And while I like to think I keep an open mind about things, I am not sure there’s anything he can do over the next three games to convince me he’s the leader the Bucs need to get back into the playoff picture. http://thepewterplank.com/2013/12/13/comparing-greg-schiano-raheem-morris-tampa-bay-buccaneers-need-greg-schiano-coach-said/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network
No. Hell no.The only thing he does well is scout talent, and then he has no clue how to use them correctly.An winning? Fogetabowdit...
"And while I like to think I keep an open mind about things"Do you like to think that, Leo? Lmfao.
They both suck as head coaches.
It's all the same, only the names have changed.
Love all these reasonable articles this morning that represent my side of things.
Howell and Phillipse got your back, bro.
Penalties Penalties are yet another area where players are the ones making mistakes, but they are also reflecting the coaching and teaching they receive from their coaches. And Greg Schiano’s teams are being penalized more than Raheem Morris’ ever were. Morris started off his career with a team penalized only 5.8 times per game in 2009, which ranked 14th (in this case, ranking means “least to most” penalties per game). Things would slip a bit in 2010, falling to 6.2 penalties a game, but he was still fairly consistent. It wasn’t until 2011 when things fell apart, and the Buccaneers were flagged 7.7 times per game and finished 29th in the league in Morris’ final season. So when Schiano took over, he was able to improve the penalty situation and get the team back toward the middle of the pack, picking up 6.3 penalties per game in 2012. But his team has regressed in 2013, currently sitting 32nd in the NFL in flags per game. The Buccaneers are penalized more than eight times per contest in 2013 under the coach who promised to bring discipline and accountability. That’s not a good sign for Schiano.
After the win/loss record, this is easily the disappointing aspect of Schiano's tenure. For a guy that was supposed to instill discipline in this team, he's done a poor job.
Big difference is that no one was watching Dungy's teams and saying wow, lots of mental errors and OMFG those schemes are borderline retarded.
Penalties Penalties are yet another area where players are the ones making mistakes, but they are also reflecting the coaching and teaching they receive from their coaches. And Greg Schiano’s teams are being penalized more than Raheem Morris’ ever were. Morris started off his career with a team penalized only 5.8 times per game in 2009, which ranked 14th (in this case, ranking means “least to most” penalties per game). Things would slip a bit in 2010, falling to 6.2 penalties a game, but he was still fairly consistent. It wasn’t until 2011 when things fell apart, and the Buccaneers were flagged 7.7 times per game and finished 29th in the league in Morris’ final season. So when Schiano took over, he was able to improve the penalty situation and get the team back toward the middle of the pack, picking up 6.3 penalties per game in 2012. But his team has regressed in 2013, currently sitting 32nd in the NFL in flags per game. The Buccaneers are penalized more than eight times per contest in 2013 under the coach who promised to bring discipline and accountability. That’s not a good sign for Schiano.
After the win/loss record, this is easily the disappointing aspect of Schiano's tenure. For a guy that was supposed to instill discipline in this team, he's done a poor job.
Agree 100%.I didn't like the Schiano hire, but I gave him a chance. I really wanted him to succeed. This was what turned me against him though. He isn't suppose to be an offensive or defensive genius. He isn't a proven winner or an excelent game manager. He isn't a QB guru. He really doesn't have anything else going for him other than he ran a tight ship and would have our team well prepared and executing to perfection. I'm a believer that execution is more important to winning than talent or scheme.....so I bought in. I thought he might just be what we needed. Unfortunately under Schiano this team has looked completely unprepared and undisciplined. He is not doing what was expected of him....so I'm not sure why he is being brought back for a 3rd year or why so many fans want him back for a 3rd year.
"...why so many fans want him back for a 3rd year."A hope that the irrational hate mongers will end up choking on their own vitriol.
Unfortunately under Schiano this team has looked completely unprepared and undisciplined. He is not doing what was expected of him....so I'm not sure why he is being brought back for a 3rd year or why so many fans want him back for a 3rd year.
Agree with you 100% here. Rutgers entire schtick is that he basically knows he's not that smart and he more or less admits that. His angle is that we do all the little things right, are prepared and don't beat ourselves and that sure as Hades isn't true. Really, that can work, I mean Norv Turner has been very success and he admits his offense has like 7 total running plays for example...but his "simple" works.The rationale for keeping him now has become: team hasn't quit and "consistency". Team not quitting is where the lowered expectations set by Rah help him out so much. Most teams don't lay down because players are competitive and want to win and will try really hard not to be losers. Jags are bad, not laying down. Bills are bad, not laying down. Browns, bad not laying down. Raiders, Rams, Vikes all bad not laying down. Heck the Texans aren't lying down when you look at their their last 7 straight losses since they got whacked by STL they have lost by a combined total of 29 points.Consistency is bogus. Consistency is why guys like Jack del Rio and Jim Haslett worked for so long being mediocre. The really, really great thing is that next year we have a good shot of being 8-8 just off the general regression to the mean that happens year over year. That will show "improvement" and he'll be back for a 4th year despite not having anything near an overall winning record. If he isn't fired this offseason, settle in for the long haul of Rutgers special brand of bland.
He isn't an improvement over Raheem.
If the Bucs go 5-3 in the second half of the season, Schiano deserves another year with a focus on upgrading the offense. Schiano is sill learning in game management, but he certainly has an eye for talent. The team went from worst to first in rush defense in 2012, and from worst to much improved in pass defense this season. His most important contribution has been reuniting the players despite all of the turmoil with Freeman In effect, he had two viruses to deal with early on. He has shown that he knows how to correct issues, even if it means dumping your starting QB. I'm curious to see what he does at the QB position.Bottom line; I'd rather stick with Schiano than start all over with someone else. Schiano knows this team.
Maybe we should retain Schiano as a talent scout. He sounds better suited for that position.