What does it prove? The 4 games he touched the ball an average of 3.3 times per game we scored 150 points. He's not important. He's not valuable. He's not good. Stop pretending. Stop passing so much. Start running the offense through Irving and Tucker on the ground.
His touches increased when we lost Godwin and Evans.
So of course we are losing those games.
He played well vs Niners, Chiefs, and Ravens (all losses)
He's not important. He's not valuable. He's not good. Stop pretending. Stop passing so much
The best receiving and pass pro RB is important and valuable in an offense that, in your estimation, passes too much.
Stop passing so much.
Last year offense was top 5 in SCORING and set records for the Bucs. THREE of the other top 5 scoring offenses have running QBs so that is NOT the Bucs. The model that is closest to what you are describing is the Lions. Good model for the Bucs to follow.
The 2024 Lions ran the ball 3 more times per game (2.7) than the Bucs.
The 2025 Bucs could certainly run the ball more, but the difference is not that signifiant and partly a function of the way the game plays out. In the game you love, the Saints game, the Bucs run 28 times (Irving and Tucker) with 21 of those runs IN THE SECOND HALF.
He's not important. He's not valuable. He's not good. Stop pretending. Stop passing so much
The best receiving and pass pro RB is important and valuable in an offense that, in your estimation, passes too much.
Stop passing so much.
Last year offense was top 5 in SCORING and set records for the Bucs. THREE of the other top 5 scoring offenses have running QBs so that is NOT the Bucs. The model that is closest to what you are describing is the Lions. Good model for the Bucs to follow.
The 2024 Lions ran the ball 3 more times per game (2.7) than the Bucs.
The 2025 Bucs could certainly run the ball more, but the difference is not that signifiant and partly a function of the way the game plays out. In the game you love, the Saints game, the Bucs run 28 times (Irving and Tucker) with 21 of those runs IN THE SECOND HALF.
White is so valuable that we scored 38 points per game in the 4 games he touched the ball a combined 13 times.
Good example with the Lions. In their playoff game the Lions ran the ball 23 times for 201 yards and 3 TDs. That's a ridiculous 8.7 ypc. Despite their clear advantage at the LOS they called 46 passes that resulted in 5 turnovers. Was Duuuuuuuuvvvaaalllll calling the plays for the Lions?
Bucs had gawdy season statistics. But the offense lost games because of situational play calling and poor personnel choices. 49ers game should have been a win. Panthers game should have been a blowout. Cowboys game should have been a blowout win. Raiders game should have been a blowout. Saints home game should have been a blowout. Washington game should have been a comfortable 10 point win after the heroic goal line stand by Bowles' defense. Couldnt just call your best runs with Bucky and Tucker. Had to call the jet sweep.
You guys would rather see Baker turning the ball over all over the place and White plodding for rushing EPA's so low they reach the core of the Earth instead of Bucky and Tucker running for 5-6 yards a clip.
The models that I'm describing are the 1992 Cowboys, 1998 Broncos, 2006 Chargers, 2008 Panthers.
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You guys would rather see Baker turning the ball over all over the place and White plodding for rushing EPA's so low they reach the core of the Earth instead of Bucky and Tucker running for 5-6 yards a clip.
You're talking in such insane extremes that your points, even if worth discussing, become immediately dismissed.
We should run it a little more, agreed.
Coen got too cute at times, agreed.
White could be a more effective runner, agreed.
Baker needs to have less turnovers, agreed.
Tucker should get more carries, agreed.
All of those things can be true AND your solution and analysis are not founded in any substantial truth or theme.
One fatal mistake you're making is our PLAYERS made the coach/system vs our COACH/SYSTEM made the players.
I love Bucky to death but I'm not sure he excels unless the scheme is great.
Coen came in and took IN ONE YEAR a middle of the pack offense and a bottom 10 journeyman QB and turned it into a top 5 offense and a top 12 QB... With relatively the same roster.
But don't worry he's a goofball and had some momentary lapses in his first year so he's all to the sudden not good and Tucker was the answer all along.
Derrrrrr
The models that I'm describing are the 1992 Cowboys, 1998 Broncos, 2006 Chargers, 2008 Panthers.
you do know that every week you will have somebody updating you on "Sean Tucker" watch with his stats
start to think of the excuses now with Grizzard
You guys would rather see Baker turning the ball over all over the place and White plodding for rushing EPA's so low they reach the core of the Earth instead of Bucky and Tucker running for 5-6 yards a clip.
You're talking in such insane extremes that your points, even if worth discussing, become immediately dismissed.
We should run it a little more, agreed.
Coen got too cute at times, agreed.
White could be a more effective runner, agreed.
Baker needs to have less turnovers, agreed.
Tucker should get more carries, agreed.
All of those things can be true AND your solution and analysis are not founded in any substantial truth or theme.
One fatal mistake you're making is our PLAYERS made the coach/system vs our COACH/SYSTEM made the players.
I love Bucky to death but I'm not sure he excels unless the scheme is great.
Coen came in and took IN ONE YEAR a middle of the pack offense and a bottom 10 journeyman QB and turned it into a top 5 offense and a top 12 QB... With relatively the same roster.
But don't worry he's a goofball and had some momentary lapses in his first year so he's all to the sudden not good and Tucker was the answer all along.
Derrrrrr
Extremes?
Did Baker lead the league in interceptions AND fumbles? Yes.
Did Irving and Tucker combine for 5.6 ypc? Yes.
Is White's rushing EPA/rush 3-4 times less than Tucker and Irving? Yes.
My thinking is the players, Carberry and Grizzard made it too easy for Coen to fail and he still managed to do it.
Baker only lost two of those fumbles. And last year's total of 13 fumbles was an outlier for Baker by a wide margin. And how many fumbles did he recover for White and Tucker? 3? 4? 5? more?
Baker also led the league in completion% and TD passes when blitzed. 72% completion rate and 18 TD passes when blitzed in 2024. 73 total TDs between the 2023-24 seasons, only Josh Allen and lamar have thrown more. Oh, and Baker's 105.9 PR in the playoffs is the highest among all NFL QBs since the 1970 merger.
The models that I'm describing are the 1992 Cowboys, 1998 Broncos, 2006 Chargers, 2008 Panthers.
you do know that every week you will have somebody updating you on "Sean Tucker" watch with his stats
start to think of the excuses now with Grizzard
Captain Cosplay will have every damn excuse imaginable at his immediate disposal.
You guys would rather see Baker turning the ball over all over the place and White plodding for rushing EPA's so low they reach the core of the Earth instead of Bucky and Tucker running for 5-6 yards a clip.
Id love to see Tucker running for 5-6 yards a clip, so hopefully he's learned how to block and catch better than White.
The models that I'm describing are the 1992 Cowboys, 1998 Broncos, 2006 Chargers, 2008 Panthers.
Lmao.
Let me guess, back when you were a GM?
"I think the Buccaneers offense should run more single wing. My model is the 1967 Packers"
Tucker was the answer all along
I think in JC's Tucker 1.0 Licht was really the problem. The next "Emmitt Smith" was being held back because of his draft status. That was sort of the start Tucker 1.0.
Now, JC's on Tucker 23259.0 and has Coen as incompetent "Duuuvvall" . . . .failing to realize that the answer all along was to run Tucker more.
The funniest part about JC is that he so entrenched in this idiocy he won't walk back any part of it other than "White can be a third down back, sure".
Baker only lost two of those fumbles. And last year's total of 13 fumbles was an outlier for Baker by a wide margin. And how many fumbles did he recover for White and Tucker? 3? 4? 5? more?
Baker also led the league in completion% and TD passes when blitzed. 72% completion rate and 18 TD passes when blitzed in 2024. 73 total TDs between the 2023-24 seasons, only Josh Allen and lamar have thrown more. Oh, and Baker's 105.9 PR in the playoffs is the highest among all NFL QBs since the 1970 merger.
Oh, and Baker made the wrong read on the jet sweep, causing a fumble. If Irving and Tucker combine for 500 carries this is a 13+ win team.