haha read the rest of the post.
I did. Way to hedge your bet, bud.
Still a hypocritical take, but at least you found humor in it getting called out.
Daniels with 2 playoff wins his rookie year, shit, how old Herbert going to be to accomplish that?
Who knows?
Stafford was 33 before he did it.
And, unlike Baker, Goff, Daniels, or Love; he has a ring and will be in Canton.
So, again, who knows?
I wouldn't be surprised to see a sophomore slump.
I agree. I have a Washington homer in my office and I have a Benjamin bet saying Daniels' stats this year won't be as good as last year.
then there's 5 through 14 which can be interchangeable. So many people have recency bias so they inflate guys like Hurts and Daniels given last year and kick guys like Prescott and Purdy to the curb
5 through 14 in no order - Stafford, Daniels, Hurts, Baker, Goff, Herbert, Stroud, Purdy, Prescott, Love
anyone of those 5 through 14 can jump to 5 depending on how this year plays out
Mostly agree with this but I think there's a couple talent wise that are 5-8
So many people have recency bias so they inflate guys like Hurts and Daniels given last year
Agreed.
i'd probalby have Daniels at 5 given last year
Oh…nevermind.
haha read the rest of the post. said he could drop out of the top 10. i think it's very unlikely for Washington to repeat their success.
Daniels with 2 playoff wins his rookie year, shit, how old Herbert going to be to accomplish that?
This is the same argument of Bron... He take a shit team to the finals and loses and everyone goes "look at his finals record".
Herbert has had absolutely dog shit teams around him which have been compounded by having one of the worst head coaches ever in Staley... For example does anyone here think Chargers losing to the Jags was a function of Herbert? Or did the shit (defensive) head coach call a dogshit 2nd half, playing to not lose?
You don't blow leads like that without an incompetent head coach who consistently shit the bed in close games.
Wins are not a QB stat. Daniels beat Tampa but it's not like he was that impressive even against Bowles soft defense. Then he got the Lions fully depleted. Then he struggled vs the Eagles.
Daniels isn't better than Herbert but recency bias tells us otherwise. Time will again tell
Daniels isn't better than Herbert but recency bias tells us otherwise. Time will again tell
I’m not sure “recency bias” is the best term. This wasn’t Brock Purdy being Mr. Irrelevant for a stacked team and playing very well. I mean, Daniels came into the league as the Heisman winning QB that was drafted #2 overall to a pretty shitty team. He went on to win two playoff games for that shitty team while also winning ORoY (so did Herbert) and named to the Pro Bowl (Herbert did not) as a rookie. That’s pretty impressive for any QB, but very rare for a rookie QB.
My point is, he was an acclaimed QB prospect that lived up to and exceeded expectations as a rookie while winning two playoff games - very differently - with a team that went 4-13 the previous season. Whatever your opinion is on the Herbert v Daniels debate, I think you can admit that’s pretty rare.
Daniels isn't better than Herbert but recency bias tells us otherwise. Time will again tell
I’m not sure “recency bias” is the best term. This wasn’t Brock Purdy being Mr. Irrelevant for a stacked team and playing very well. I mean, Daniels came into the league as the Heisman winning QB that was drafted #2 overall to a pretty shitty team. He went on to win two playoff games for that shitty team while also winning ORoY (so did Herbert) and named to the Pro Bowl (Herbert did not) as a rookie. That’s pretty impressive for any QB, but very rare for a rookie QB.
My point is, he was an acclaimed QB prospect that lived up to and exceeded expectations as a rookie while winning two playoff games - very differently - with a team that went 4-13 the previous season. Whatever your opinion is on the Herbert v Daniels debate, I think you can admit that’s pretty rare.
I donno, Herbert chocked alot in college and hes chocked alot in the NFL. I expect Daniels to have a slump this season, like you guys mentioned, bc if he doesnt he will be on pace for one incredible career. Daniels played incredible the 2nd half of last year, im not sure thats sustainable.
All that being said id take Daniels over Herbert 10 our of 10 times. Im just not sold on Herbert like the media is, in crunch time he struggles.
if you want pretty regular season numbers followed by terrible playoff performances, take Herberts.
If you want consistently better playoff performances over regular season numbers, and a proven SB winner, take Stafford.
Herbert chocked alot in college and hes chocked alot in the NFL
at least last season Daniels was the opposite of this
both points of view here can be true. He can have a lessser season this season and still be on his way to a great career (if he avoids injury)
Herbert chocked alot in college and hes chocked alot in the NFL
at least last season Daniels was the opposite of this
both points of view here can be true. He can have a lessser season this season and still be on his way to a great career (if he avoids injury)
Lol wut? Did you watch the Ducks? He won the Rose Bowl. Mario Cristobal is an amazing recruiter but his in-game coaching is comically bad. Those Ducks teams didn't "choke" we were just middle of the pack.
Let's play a game: name one skill position player form Herbert's Ducks teams that's in the NFL. It's a very short, untalented list.
if you want pretty regular season numbers followed by terrible playoff performances, take Herberts.
If you want consistently better playoff performances over regular season numbers, and a proven SB winner, take Stafford.
I swear to God y'all are eating paint chips. Respectfully.
Herbert definitely needs to get that monkey off his back but go look at Stafford's time in Detroit prior to, at age 32, going to the Rams. Everyone said the same shit. Now he's a perennial top 7 talent and QB.
It's like y'all have the memory of a gold fish... Respectfully.
if you want pretty regular season numbers followed by terrible playoff performances, take Herberts.
If you want consistently better playoff performances over regular season numbers, and a proven SB winner, take Stafford.
I swear to God y'all are eating paint chips. Respectfully.
Herbert definitely needs to get that monkey off his back but go look at Stafford's time in Detroit prior to, at age 32, going to the Rams. Everyone said the same shit. Now he's a perennial top 7 talent and QB.
It's like y'all have the memory of a gold fish... Respectfully.
firstly, I've watched nearly every game that Herberts has played since he was drafted, principally because he was drafted by LAC, and I've always paid close attention to all the AFC-W QB situations since 1980 or so. So, I'm not basing my opinion on just one metric or just one game/season/playoffs run. And while he hasn't had the best coaching until a couple seasons ago, he has had a hell of an offensive roster, with the likes of Keenan Allen (perennial top-10 WR) and Mike Williams (tee higgins lite), a group of really good TEs (Hunter Henry/G. Everett/D. Parham) some solid OLs, and on paper, defenses that were littered with all-pros/Pro-Bowlers, including the one he had last season that was ranked top-5, even 1st, just prior to the game with TB.
And tbf, after Herberts first two seasons I seriously thought he might be the QB that pushed Mahomes to be truly great (Josh wasn't playing well in the playoffs at the time and Lamar had also shown his limitations as a passer along with a tendency to fall apart come January). hell, I hoped he would be that guy, similar to how Manning and Brady pushed each other to be even greater each season. i mean, his physical talent just screams 'elite.' If I was building an NFL QB on madden he'd probably look exactly like Herberts.
But Herberts just doesn't elevate on the biggest stages, he shrinks.
As for matt, the difference has been that while Stafford also had to deal with terrible coaching, he also had to put up with terrible defenses for most of his time in DET. and yet, in spite of those issues, Matt's performances in big games and particularly in the playoffs were better than his regular season performances. His completion% went up, his yds/gm, Td/INT ratio, Succ%, Passer Rating, CPOE, EPA, etc. all went up significantly in the playoffs. In short, Stafford consistently rose to the occasion, while his team (HC decisions/defenses) failed to perform.
Conversely, Herberts shrinks in the big moment and in the playoffs. All of his metrics drop off a cliff. He's literally been the reason the Chargers have lost in big games.
So, yeah, in my opinion, Herberts isn't a top-10 QB, in spite of all his pretty regular season stats. I mean, if we're just going by physical traits/talent, sure, he's top-4. but so far as actual performance, he's got a long way to go in my book before i put him in the top-10. Like win a playoff game. Or at least look like a top QB in a playoff game. Sorry, multiple playoff games. And so far i'm just not seeing any signs of that happening.
If i had to guess, he's just not as mentally tough as Stafford.