I guess White is Ha...
 
Notifications
Clear all

I guess White is Hard to Tackle

122 Posts
12 Users
18 Reactions
1,158 Views
Avatar Of Jc5100
(@jc5100)
Posts: 1593
First Mate
 

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

It's not a yes or no question. If I want them to get an equal amount of carries that means I view them as equals. 

Why are they equals? You've analyzed the analytics. As you've shown repeatedly, Tucker has better stats than Irving:

 

Posted by: @jc5100

YPC

Tucker 6.2

Irving 5.4

White 4.3

 

Rushing EPA/Play

Tucker 0.2

Irving 0.1

White -0.11

Success Rate

Tucker 56%

Irving 55%

White 51%

First Down %

Tucker 34%

Irving 25%

White 24%

Explosive Run %

Tucker 16%

Irving 12%

White 8%

 

Those are the same stats you're using to say that Tucker is better than White. So why stop there? If Tucker is better than White based on these stats, then he's also better than Irving based on those stats.

I'm guessing you know that is the point that is being made, which is why you're still ducking (it's not a yes or no question) the question. It would further annihilate the foolish argument you've been making for months on-end with zero success.

Tucker and Irving are in the same ballpark for EPA. White's is in the toilet. You're trying to get me to pin Tucker against Bucky and it's not going to happen. They both make the offense better. White makes the offense worse. 

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:25 am
Avatar Of Blayton Cigsby
(@bucsbits)
Posts: 7303
Captain
 

Posted by: @jc5100

White makes the offense worse. 

except for passpro . . . lol . ..  55% of the offense.  Your guy make sit worse when it for pass pro

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:29 am
Avatar Of Donkey_Hunter
(@donkey_hunter)
Posts: 4488
Captain
 

Posted by: @biggs3535

Those are the same stats you're using to say that Tucker is better than White. So why stop there? If Tucker is better than White based on these stats, then he's also better than Irving based on those stats.

I'm guessing you know that is the point that is being made, which is why you're still ducking (it's not a yes or no question) the question. It would further annihilate the foolish argument you've been making for months on-end with zero success.

Bingo!

It wasn’t that hard to pin that jackass into a corner. 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:30 am
Avatar Of Biggs3535
(@biggs3535)
Posts: 2539
Quartermaster
 

Posted by: @jc5100

You're trying to get me to pin Tucker against Bucky and it's not going to happen.

Right, because that would require a little intellectual honesty on your part.

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:33 am
Avatar Of Blayton Cigsby
(@bucsbits)
Posts: 7303
Captain
 

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

You're trying to get me to pin Tucker against Bucky and it's not going to happen.

Right, because that would require a little intellectual honesty on your part.

 

u h h h . . . wth?

 

Lol

JC admits earlier that White was better at pass pro YOU LIED FOR WEEKS TO MAINTAIN A TROLL about White as RB1

 

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:42 am
Avatar Of Jc5100
(@jc5100)
Posts: 1593
First Mate
 

Posted by: @bucsbits

Posted by: @jc5100

White makes the offense worse. 

except for passpro . . . lol . ..  55% of the offense.  Your guy make sit worse when it for pass pro

White can be in pass pro on the handful of 3rd and medium/longs. Tucker and Irving will need a break from running for so many yards. 

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:44 am
Avatar Of Donkey_Hunter
(@donkey_hunter)
Posts: 4488
Captain
 

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

You're trying to get me to pin Tucker against Bucky and it's not going to happen.

Right, because that would require a little intellectual honesty on your part.

As I said, the trap was easy. 

He kept posting stat after stat after stat, about how Tucker was better than White. 

For some reason, he needed to include Bucky's to strengthen his argument. 

He won't come out and say that Tucker is better, and we all know why. 

So, by not doing that, his metrics/stats are about as useful as the Madden GM of the Year title he puts on his resume.

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 9:54 am
Biggs3535 reacted
Avatar Of Blayton Cigsby
(@bucsbits)
Posts: 7303
Captain
 

Posted by: @donkey_hunter

As I said, the trap was easy. 

He kept posting stat after stat after stat, about how Tucker was better than White. 

sometimes no trap required lmao

 

Posted by: @biggs3535

We’ll see who starts and gets more carries on Sunday. And the week after that. And the week after that. And the week after that. And the week after that

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 10:28 am
Avatar Of Firebowles2023
(@firebowles2023)
Posts: 4041
Captain
Topic starter
 

Baker is actually our best rusher. 6.3 per carry despite all the knees taken.

Stats 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 3:53 pm
Avatar Of Feelindangerous06
(@feelindangerous06)
Posts: 311
Gunner
 

Posted by: @firebowles2023

Baker is actually our best rusher. 6.3 per carry despite all the knees taken.

Stats 

 

 

So, Grizz should be planning on having Baker split carries with Bucky then?  Baker would be RB1 in that case?  15-16 carries/gm for Mayfield sound about right?

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 4:20 pm
Avatar Of Biggs3535
(@biggs3535)
Posts: 2539
Quartermaster
 

Posted by: @feelindangerous06

Posted by: @firebowles2023

Baker is actually our best rusher. 6.3 per carry despite all the knees taken.

Stats 

 

 

So, Grizz should be planning on having Baker split carries with Bucky then?  Baker would be RB1 in that case?  15-16 carries/gm for Mayfield sound about right?

 

I think you fellas may be onto something here. Mayfield has a higher YPC with a larger sample size than even Sean Tucker. He should be getting more carries than anybody. What the hell was Duvall doing last season?

That’s how those in-the-know analyze the analytics. Well done, gents.

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 5:50 pm
Avatar Of Feelindangerous06
(@feelindangerous06)
Posts: 311
Gunner
 

19 carries/gm for Baker and he'll be the first QB to rush for more than 2,000 yds in a season.

 

 

DO IT, GRIZZ!!!!  WE BELIEFS!!!!

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 5:55 pm
Avatar Of Firebowles2023
(@firebowles2023)
Posts: 4041
Captain
Topic starter
 

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @feelindangerous06

Posted by: @firebowles2023

Baker is actually our best rusher. 6.3 per carry despite all the knees taken.

Stats 

 

 

So, Grizz should be planning on having Baker split carries with Bucky then?  Baker would be RB1 in that case?  15-16 carries/gm for Mayfield sound about right?

 

I think you fellas may be onto something here. Mayfield has a higher YPC with a larger sample size than even Sean Tucker. He should be getting more carries than anybody. What the hell was Duvall doing last season?

That’s how those in-the-know analyze the analytics. Well done, gents.

 

Baker also gave up zero sacks last season. We might wanna consider putting him at LT for the first 4 games...

Now that Coen is finally gone we can move Baker around the offense more. 

Coen clearly was holding us back.

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 6:18 pm
Avatar Of Feelindangerous06
(@feelindangerous06)
Posts: 311
Gunner
 

Posted by: @firebowles2023

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @feelindangerous06

Posted by: @firebowles2023

Baker is actually our best rusher. 6.3 per carry despite all the knees taken.

Stats 

 

 

So, Grizz should be planning on having Baker split carries with Bucky then?  Baker would be RB1 in that case?  15-16 carries/gm for Mayfield sound about right?

 

I think you fellas may be onto something here. Mayfield has a higher YPC with a larger sample size than even Sean Tucker. He should be getting more carries than anybody. What the hell was Duvall doing last season?

That’s how those in-the-know analyze the analytics. Well done, gents.

 

Baker also gave up zero sacks last season. We might wanna consider putting him at LT for the first 4 games...

Now that Coen is finally gone we can move Baker around the offense more. 

Coen clearly was holding us back.

 

 

 

i did not know that.  Pretty incredible work by Baker.

 

you know with that yds/carry number, maybe Grizz should consider lining him up in the slot more.  Bet he can generate more YAC than Godwin.  Force Evans to up his game.

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 6:22 pm
Avatar Of Blayton Cigsby
(@bucsbits)
Posts: 7303
Captain
 

Posted by: @jc5100

Posted by: @bucsbits

Posted by: @jc5100

White makes the offense worse. 

except for passpro . . . lol . ..  55% of the offense.  Your guy make sit worse when it for pass pro

White can be in pass pro on the handful of 3rd and medium/longs.

 

 

So JC, the former GM, says the 2025 Bucs should deviate from the 2024 plan on 3rd down?

 

"In 2024, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had a 50.9% success rate on third down, leading the league."

 

make it make sense

 

 
Posted : Jul. 22, 2025 6:56 pm
Page 8 / 9
Share: