I don’t dislike Brady , I just think he has not played up to his standards this year .
and it’s ok to say that
my family is from Pennypack. You're a f--- n pu---y . . . .OR as Buggsy would say "your a f--n pu---y"
I say that because you're NOT just saying "he's not played up to standards." You're spending your time on a Bucs fan board trolling Bucs fans with absurd takes that suggest that Brady IS the problem. The fact that you cant own up to that, even while anonymously posting on a message board, is was makes you so Philly. That level is insecurity is second only to Buggsy.
By the way, like DH I watched our Bucs SMOKE you dumb asses EAGLES in closing down that shithole that was the VET. You were probably there too, but missed most of the ass whipping on the filed because you were to busy listening to Judge McCaffery berate your ass for pissing on an old lady. How was your bologna sandwich?
Donkey ,WTF you talking about , I said NOTHING about yard’s being more than the other
there you go again drumming shit up on your head .
you copy and paste post where I said so many yards is more than the other
ill wait
I don’t dislike Brady , I just think he has not played up to his standards this year .
and it’s ok to say that
my family is from Pennypack. You're a f--- n pu---y . . . .OR as Buggsy would say "your a f--n pu---y"
I say that because you're NOT just saying "he's not played up to standards." You're spending your time on a Bucs fan board trolling Bucs fans with absurd takes that suggest that Brady IS the problem. The fact that you cant own up to that, even while anonymously posting on a message board, is was makes you so Philly. That level is insecurity is second only to Buggsy.
By the way, like DH I watched our Bucs SMOKE you dumb asses EAGLES in closing down that shithole that was the VET. You were probably there too, but missed most of the ass whipping on the filed because you were to busy listening to Judge McCaffery berate your ass for pissing on an old lady. How was your bologna sandwich?
im dumber for reading this childish post . Let’s try and pretend you’re a adult
Donkey ,WTF you talking about , I said NOTHING about yard’s being more than the other
there you go again drumming shit up on your head .
you copy and paste post where I said so many yards is more than the other
ill wait
I literally posted stats to which you replied,
”Donkey making shit up , if it sounds good to him , he runs with it”
Nice attempt at walking that back, lil’ guy.
I don’t dislike Brady , I just think he has not played up to his standards this year .
and it’s ok to say that
my family is from Pennypack. You're a f--- n pu---y . . . .OR as Buggsy would say "your a f--n pu---y"
I say that because you're NOT just saying "he's not played up to standards." You're spending your time on a Bucs fan board trolling Bucs fans with absurd takes that suggest that Brady IS the problem. The fact that you cant own up to that, even while anonymously posting on a message board, is was makes you so Philly. That level is insecurity is second only to Buggsy.
By the way, like DH I watched our Bucs SMOKE you dumb asses EAGLES in closing down that shithole that was the VET. You were probably there too, but missed most of the ass whipping on the filed because you were to busy listening to Judge McCaffery berate your ass for pissing on an old lady. How was your bologna sandwich?
im dumber for reading this childish post . Let’s try and pretend you’re a adult
Wow … you pu..ied out
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I am not hung up on 13-4. JC meant it, you endorsed it.
Lol. Yes, you are. You've mentioned now several times in multiple posts at an attempt to put him/me/others down.
Bro, just simply admit that the sarcasm went over your head and move on.
You also endorsed his wide open spread talent comment LOL.
I did. And, for obvious reasons. We've shown consistent overall success running up-tempo/hurry up. Film shows it. Stats show it. Metrics show it. Why is this so hard for you?
The only point here is that the team is not "13 - 4" and could NOT play a wide open spread offense because the team just isn't as talented at a KEY area.
Oh brother...
Listen, I'll try to explain this one last time.
NOBODY is stating (or even insinuating) that this line is as good as last year's. Nobody. It's just you and your predictable, ever lasting string of straw men.
That being said, it's NOWHERE near as bad as you, the Philly cock holster, and other posters have constantly insinuated.
Let's look at individually:
- 2021 - Donovan Smith (Overall - 83.3 / Passing Grade - 84.7)
- 2022 - Donovan Smith (Overall - 58.1 / Passing Grade - 70.0)
- Our favorite LT has reverted back to his crap play from the first half of his career. Now, his overall grade is dragged down by an atrocious run block grade, but his passing grade is still categorized as "above average". Obviously, the departure of Marpet is the biggest factor, considering he masked a lot of Smith's weaknesses.
- 2021 - Ali Marpet (Overall - 83.6 / Passing Grade - 77.8)
- 2022 - Nick Leverett (Overall - 64.9 / Passing Grade - 68.9)
- This is far and away the biggest downgrade. Marpet was an All-Pro caliber guard. He's obviously incredibly difficult to replace. That being said, Leverett should've been starting from the jump. His pass blocking grade is categorized as "above average".
- 2021 - Ryan Jensen (Overall - 69.9 / Passing Grade - 61.7)
- 2022 - Robert Hainsey (Overall - 66.7 / Passing Grade - 72.7)
- Whether you want to or not, you should give JC credit here. He's been spot on in his analysis of Hainsey. There's not a huge drop off, and the pass blocking has been superior. Pass blocking grade is categorized as "above average"
- 2021 - Alex Cappa (Overall - 73.4 / Passing Grade - 69.6)
- 2022 - Shaq Mason (Overall - 70.1 / Passing Grade - 73.3)
- Cappa was a JAG. He wasn't some huge loss. As a matter of fact, Mason is grading higher this season than he is overall, pass blocking and run blocking. Mason's pass blocking grade is categorized as "above average"
- 2021 - Tristan Wirfs (Overall - 84.6 / Passing Grade - 84.2)
- 2022 - Tristan Wirfs (Overall - 83.8 / Passing Grade - 90.5)
- Wirfs is easily a Top-3 RT in the league. No real drop off here. Pass blocking grade is categorized as "Elite NFL Caliber"
Since we're essentially talking about their ability to effectively block well enough to run more uptempo/no huddle, let's look at pass blocking grades per game for this season (per PFF):
- 38.1 (Poor)
- 79.7 (Very Good)
- 58.0 (Below Average)
- 61.3 (Average)
- 77.4 (Above Average)
- 76.0 (Above Average)
- 79.4 (Very Good)
- 85.0 (Very Good)
- 72.4 (Above Average)
- 88.4 (Elite NFL Caliber)
- Bye
- 70.4 (Above Average)
- 51.6 (Below Average)
- 75.8 (Above Average)
- 82.2 (Very Good)
- 68.2 (Above Average)
- 73.2 (Above Average)
Let's skip the Top 3-5 rankings in nearly every metric category pertaining to successful uptempo/no huddle offense. And, while we're at it, let's ignore the Top 3-5 ranking in PA efficiency.
Please explain to us why it's asinine to think that this offense line can't handle implementing more uptempo/no huddle into the offense?
@donkey_hunter you're saying the whole left side of the line is down
- 2021 - Donovan Smith (Overall - 83.3 / Passing Grade - 84.7)
- 2022 - Donovan Smith (Overall - 58.1 / Passing Grade - 70.0)
- 2021 - Ali Marpet (Overall - 83.6 / Passing Grade - 77.8)
- 2022 - Nick Leverett (Overall - 64.9 / Passing Grade - 68.9)
I am saying yes and so even if we go by YOUR ANALYSIS that is significant because Brady has been playing differently AND it impacts the offensive production. That's not just a point I am making, that is a point the BUC THEMSELVES make ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE (I quoted it above) as well as the film review I posted that you "film guys" all ignored
and NO, we are not talking about their ability to block more up tempo we are talking about whether you would trust them man to man to keep Brady on his feet, without their TE and shot gun. Its not the up tempo its sustaining their blocks. We didn't even play spread with our Super Bowl line lol and that was WITH ROB GRONKOWSKI (run block grade (81.2), and pass block grade (74.4) and Marpet and yes his impact on Smith and Jensen
The lack of offensive production is
1) defenses playing 2 deep shell (Panthers go away from that and BOOM) with us MISSING both Gronkowski and Godwin (much of the year unhealthy) so no credible underneath threat and
2) NO RUNNING GAME - same running scheme as before but no sucsess. That's the line. The way you pull a defense out of deep shell defenses is you force them to come up . . ie you run it well and throw underneath
3) Brady dumping everything and throwing even faster
4. poor play calling and POOR EXECUTION (in the panther game drive after drive is killed by poor execution NOT poor play calling). I called out the plays in real time in the game thread. show me where I was wrong
#2 and #3 are both O-line related. Proof of that should be the Panther and, unfortunately, will likely be the first playoff game because the opposing defense is sure to play 2 deep shell to take away Evans so lets see how we do running and underneath passing. At least Godwin is healthy and Gage is even coming around so . .
On the 13-4, I didn't take it as sarcasm. I say above above JC meant it and you endorses it. I said that part because you once posted that this team with Arians would be 10-2, RIGHT??????????
That's been your point? That's no strawman. Those were your words? You think that the drop in production is the play calling . . not the defenses, our injuries, the O-line that you say has half of the line (the critical half) dropping off
This is PFF . . your bible:
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are trying to help themselves, but they are hurting their offenses in the process
At their advanced ages — Rodgers will turn 39 in December; Brady turned 45 late last summer — both quarterbacks are looking for the comfort in avoiding hits. And while the two Hall of Famers have always done an excellent job of avoiding being mangled by opposing players, that philosophy is leading to poor results for their teams this season
This season, Brady and Rodgers are getting the ball out quicker and throwing the ball shorter than they have in the last 10 seasons.
| Season | Aaron Rodgers | Tom Brady |
| 2022 | 2.43 | 2.25 |
| 2021 | 2.59 | 2.34 |
| 2020 | 2.69 | 2.41 |
| 2019 | 2.92 | 2.61 |
| 2018 | 2.94 | 2.51 |
| 2017 | 2.77 | 2.62 |
| 2016 | 3.01 | 2.49 |
| 2015 | 2.94 | 2.34 |
| 2014 | 2.86 | 2.39 |
| 2013 | 2.66 |
2.45
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The pair also rank highly in the percentage of throws that end up short of the sticks: Rodgers is first at 60.3%, while Brady is seventh at 56.8%. To better put those numbers in context, Rodgers was 18th in 2021, while Brady was 30th.
The speeding up of their process is leading to more errant throws, especially underneath. Discounting screens, run-pass options (RPOs) and play-action attempts, Brady has a 66.8 PFF passing grade on throws of less than 10 yards — his lowest over the last 10 seasons and 8.3 points below his previous low (2019).
AND -- as PFF POINTS OUT - this change by Brady is NOT UNIQUE:
We’ve seen this play out before.
After a 2019 elbow surgery, former Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger returned to play in 2020 and 2021, though not as the resilient gunslinger who once stood tough in the pocket until he found the big play downfield. Instead, he tried to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible and almost never turned his back to the defense. The results were poor.
Then there is Drew Brees’ final season, which saw his efficiency plummet even after a great year prior. And Peyton Manning fell off a cliff statistically in his last season.'
This article from PFF is actually BACKED UP BY THE FILM ARTICLE I POSTED HERE . . but you all ignored. That article shows in film and stills Brady never getting through progressions because he's just dumping it off most times
I have been waiting to see one of you PFF guys reference it . . . didnt happen . . weird.
The article even notes that their own pass blocking grades are not that bad (because he's getting the ball out so quickly, but not effectively)
@donkey_hunter you cant really blame Brady for this
"The pair also rank highly in the percentage of throws that end up short of the sticks: Rodgers is first at 60.3%, while Brady is seventh at 56.8%. To better put those numbers in context, Rodgers was 18th in 2021, while Brady was 30th."
almost least likely to throw short of sticks in 2021, 7th in 2022. OUCH
you cant really blame him, especially early on because:
defenses playing deep 2 man shell.
No GRONK to bust it.
No Godwin to bust it.
Gage injured.
no running game to bust it
No replacement TE capable of stepping in for Gronk
I am saying yes and so even if we go by YOUR ANALYSIS that is significant because Brady has been playing differently AND it impacts the offensive production.
Yes, he's been playing differently. And, the biggest reason is the predictability of the offense and the play caller.
Romo talked about his ad nauseam about it a few weeks ago. Running on obvious run downs. Running out of obvious run formations. There were multiple games where hot mics caught opponents calling out what we were running.
and NO, we are not talking about their ability to block more up tempo
That's LITERALLY what I've been talking about the entire time. Hence, me (and others) constantly referencing up tempo/sugar/no huddle.
YOU'RE THE ONE who keeps going back to WC/Spread or whatever idiotic point you're trying to make.
We didn't even play spread with our Super Bowl line lol
You're right. Arians' offense isn't a WC based scheme. So...
The lack of offensive production is
1) defenses playing 2 deep shell (Panthers go away from that and BOOM) with us MISSING both Gronkowski and Godwin (much of the year unhealthy) so no credible underneath threat and
You're right. And, last year, when we faced those you'd see more seam routes/concepts from Gronk/Godwin/sometimes AB, etc.
So, why don't we see it now with Otton/Godwin/Gage/etc.?
Because Lefty can't figure it out.
NO RUNNING GAME - same running scheme as before but no sucsess. That's the line.
Sure, it's the same "scheme". But, we ran more out of 10 and 11 personnel.
This year? More 12 and 13 personnel (with Keift damn near tipping our hand every time he steps on the field), not to mention the sequencing and timing that we do it.
Again, defenses have keyed on it all year.
This, again, is on Lefty.
3) Brady dumping everything and throwing even faster
I'll give you this.
He's coming off his first read and checking down more (at least it seems that way) this year. Now, whether or not that's a "doesn't trust the line" issue or the route combos are trash or other factors is anyone's guess.
Regardless, he's missed some open guys. And, when I missed, I mean he didn't even see them.
He has to be better in this regard.
4. poor play calling and POOR EXECUTION (in the panther game drive after drive is killed by poor execution NOT poor play calling).
Yes, there's been poor execution across the board.
But, the play calling, personnel decisions, etc. have been FAR more damning.
You think that the drop in production is the play calling . . not the defenses, our injuries, the O-line that you say has half of the line
I've acknowledged on multiple occasions that there's multiple factors.
And, on multiple occasions, my opinion has been the coaching (specifically Lefty) is the biggest culprit and the most damning. Romo essentially said it. Other analysts have said it.
When you have a Head Coach who doesn't know what to do with timeouts or has zero clock management awareness? You have a big problem.
When you have an Offensive Coordinator who doesn't know what a basic metric definition is (EP, EPA, etc.)? You have a big problem.
When you have an Offensive Coordinator who believes that PA is useless and ineffective unless you're running it well (despite his own team's success with it...not to mention nearly a decade of metrics contradicting it)? You have a big problem.
When you have a coaching staff who plays not to lose? You have a big problem.
This article from PFF is actually BACKED UP BY THE FILM ARTICLE I POSTED HERE . . but you all ignored.
You keep referencing this. It wasn't ignored, it just isn't the smoking gun your dumbass believes it to be. It was one fuggin' play from October out of hundreds of offensive snaps this season. That one play means nothing, dingleberry.
I'll get back to watching DH absolutely obliterate you in your ridiculous defense of the offensive playcaller, where you continue to confirm you have absolutely no idea what is being discussed.
1. I agree with everything you say on the coaching side - clock management, play calling etc. I don't defend Leftwich's playcalling. I think its been ridiculously conservative I AM JUST NOT SURE THATS HIM or at least him alone.
2. I think you guys are hung up on PA, but that's another topic. Do you have a quote though to back this up: " PA is useless and ineffective unless you're running it well." Whole different topic though.
3. ON THE 12 AND 13 PERSONNEL, this is a Football Outsiders statistic posted in our local news when Arians was coming here:
"Arians’ last four offenses ranked between 10th and 16th in two-tight end sets, so we should expect to see more of O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate on the field together."
On top of that his offense FEATURED Godwin blocking all over the place. Here's Arian calling 12 Personnel HIS BASE OFFENSE:
""[12 Personel] has been our base offense, probably, for 15 years," said Arians. "It's where we always start. As we progress, whether we use two or three [tight ends], we have quality people there. We also have really quality receivers, so it's all about finding the right mismatches."
Not saying I agree with all the 12 and 13 (if that's accurate) I am saying thats part of the offense and certainly a WEIRD position for you to take because you also say this:
"You're right. And, last year, when we faced those you'd see more seam routes/concepts from Gronk/Godwin/sometimes AB, etc. So, why don't we see it now with Otton/Godwin/Gage/etc.?"
Thats a weird thing to say because ITS THE POINT I HAVE BEEN MAKING OVER AND OVER
MOST OF THE SEASON, Godwin injured, gage injured and NOT perfroming and OTTON NOWHERE close to Gronk. This is the REAL KILLER OF THE OFFENSE because in that 12 Personell Gronk could both b;lock someone off the field and beat anyone to to underneath spot. Otton . . NO WAY.
4. But this execution v play calling point is the one place where we really disagree and I showed this point wrong in the Carolina game (just ione example, admittedly)
"Yes, there's been poor execution across the board. But, the play calling, personnel decisions, etc. have been FAR more damning. "
IN THE CAROLINA GAME . .series after series ended with plays that were WINS if they were executed correctly. I listed multiple examples already but the easiest HUGE GLARING EXAMPLES are the multiple poor plays by your TEs . .WHEN IT MATTERED
Kief's drop.
Otton unable to get open at the goal when BRADY called his number
Otton stopping running into space makes incompletion
Otton drop
THESE ARE ROOKIES PLAYING A KEY ROLE FORMERLY FILLED BY A HALL OF FAMER (talent/experience is the issue)
EVERY PLAY REFERENCED WAS A "WIN" (ie design has player open). IN FACT, the goal line play to Otton isnt even the OC its BRADY calling "alert"
I don't defend Leftwich's playcalling.
lolz. There are seven pages - in this thread alone - of you "not defending Leftwich's playcalling."
You're only fooling yourself with this nonsense. And that's only possible because you have absolutely no self-awareness.
I don't defend Leftwich's playcalling.
lolz. There's seven pages - in this thread alone - of you "not defending Leftwich's playcalling."
You're only fooling yourself with this nonsense. And that's only possible because you have absolutely no self-awareness.
sorry the bad man has been so mean, princess.
go find another shoulder
