Dom is spending too much on . .
How does a GM spend too much on any one position when the team is well under the cap? In other words, he "overpaid" Nicks, but to what harm? Its not like it prevents us from doing anything.I am less and less a fan of Dom, just don't get the criticism on this issue, especially the way the contracts are structured. And if he "overpaid" for Nicks, as an example, does he get credit for not doing a long deal for Free?criticize the guy for not bringing enough talent in, but size of contract? The Glazers can handle it . .
That's the short term view but you only have to think about David coming up for an extension, he will have seen the contract given to Black, which didn't hurt us at the time because we had the room, and could think to himself "I'm x10 the player he ever was, I deserve to be paid accordingly or I'll take my services elsewhere at the first chance."In terms of overpaying our guards, what happens when we find a franchise LT to replace Penn and he works on his FA contract, "If they're paying guards like that I should get..."How about Revis, trying to make a deal for a CB now could be a nightmare for us as we've given him 50% more than the next highest paid corner in the league at a time when he was damaged goods. Any FA corner worth a damn is going to expect to be overpaid.Just because you have money to spend doesn't mean you should just forget all about the value of things.
Except if one player is ten times the player another guy is, he doesn't get ten times as much money. No matter how good you are, you just get paid along the lines of what the other good players in the NFL get paid. Mike Williams signed for a very fair amount.
He's attempted to draft DE's they were just not the right picks. QB he whiffed on Freeman and Napolean Dynamite was Gap Tooth's pick. Dom's biggest failures come in relying on injured players to come back 100% and not adding vet leadership to key spots like d line and QB.
The reason we had so much cap room to blow is because we haven't drafted well, and were the poor kids on the block for 7 years up until just two years ago. Dom could have kept Bennett, signed another DE, signed two good cb's, and kept a 1st and third round pick. Instead, he spent it all on a defensive player far away from the ball that is NOT going to determine whether you win or lose games like OL, DL, QB.
No way I would've given a first for Revis, let alone a third too! We were the only players in town. Nobody else wanted him because they didn't want to pay him. We should've set the market, not the Jets. I would've offered a 2nd rounder and that was it! I agree though, we could've gotten more for what we paid for Revis.
We could have kept a few more chances to gamble vs a known player. It was the right move whether people like it or not.
Jesus H...you guys are getting ridiculous with your hindsight criticism. I would have done this, I would have done that....just shut the front door. Im not a huge fan of Dom, but I think his ability as a GM has gotten better over his tenure. Are you guys better today at your job than you were 5 years ago? I sure as hell hope so. At the end of last year, it was glaringly obvious what our problem was...the secondary. We had a top 10 offense and a #1 rush D. All he did was fleece the Jets and somehow get Revis to sign a deal that doesnt hurt the team at all, sign another all-pro safety, and draft the top CB from the college ranks (Thorpe Award). Hard to ask for much more than that, but at the same time he didnt saddle us with an albatross contract for Freeman or Bennett. Oh, he also drafted a starting NT in the 4th and traded Punchy McOneTrick (Blount) for the pick he took James (who was more than serviceable at RB).All that following a year where he found a stud LB in the 2nd, traded back up into the 1st to get Dougie...Im starting to think most of you guys complain just to complain. Is Dom perfect, no. Is he putting talent on the team while keeping us in good cap position, yes.
Alldaway - I feel that what you are eluding to is based solely on the fact that those three positions are what every team rates high. Not so much on the fact the each scheme run will dedicate to a degree what positions are valued over others and the trends that have been established over recent years also is a factor in what are premium positions.LT - Penn has been a serviceable player at LT for many years and the team was able to underpay him for a number of years compared to what other teams have dished out on a LT.QB - they have spent a first and third round in the past five drafts on QB's...so essentially Dominik has tried to draft and develop - there have not many many franchise caliber QB's hitting the open market since Brees and by all accounts he was DAMAGED GOODS...DE - The team has spent a first, second, 2 fourths and a fifth rounder in the past three drafts...so he has been spending premium picks on premium positions....the lone exception has been LT...however with Penn playing at or near an above average LT for many years there has been no need to spend more dollars or a premium pick on a LT...with his play declining of late things might change.
This is over a five year period of Dominik's tenure though. I honestly believe he hasn't invested much at DE, basically non at all at OT on the other hand.Drafting a QB is a fair point (no point in sinking too many draft picks here), but I don't think he has valued the position that much in free agency like he should have.Too much emphasis on safety, guard, punter, linebacker, etc
With teams spreading defenses out more and more quality safeties who can cover, play the run and be physically imposing are the new breed of safeties...emphasis on coverage ability. As for spending on QB's in free agency why spend on the position on the open market when most if not all that have hit the open market recently have been garbage or merely below average stop gap types. Spending a first, second, and two fourths is quite a bit of draft resources on defensive ends...taking it a step further the team has drafted the following players along the defensive line under Dominik. McCoy, Brian Price, Roy Miller, Akeem Spence, Adrian Clayborn, Da;Quan Bowers, William Gholston, Kyle Moore and Steven Means during his tenure that's nine draft choices 2 first, 2 second, 1 third, 3 fourths and 1 fifth rounder trying to fix the pass rush. What the team hasn't done is delve in to free agency to fix the pass rush with the best available being Mario Williams a few years ago. Like QB's a quality DE rarely hits the open market. Most teams franchise them or lock them up long term.
Safties that play the run are overrated. What is needed are coverage safties and they can be found in the draft for the fraction of the cost than using top dollar to land one in free agency or using a top ten selection. Clayborn/Bowers were the only DEs drafted within the first three rounds of Dom's tenure thus far which is very poor compared to some of the better GM's in the league over a five year span. Moore. Gholston, and Means were all later draft picks. You can't fix a pass rush by drafting more defensive tackles high than DEs.And no drafted offensive tackles (other than Xavier Fulton)within the first three rounds of the draft shows that this team is in trouble within the next 1-2 years if Dom stays on board.Doms approach fucking sucks which is why he is a terrible GM.All the overpaid players or overvalued positions have either been cut quickly or will be cut quickly.
Alldaway - I feel that what you are eluding to is based solely on the fact that those three positions are what every team rates high. Not so much on the fact the each scheme run will dedicate to a degree what positions are valued over others and the trends that have been established over recent years also is a factor in what are premium positions.LT - Penn has been a serviceable player at LT for many years and the team was able to underpay him for a number of years compared to what other teams have dished out on a LT.QB - they have spent a first and third round in the past five drafts on QB's...so essentially Dominik has tried to draft and develop - there have not many many franchise caliber QB's hitting the open market since Brees and by all accounts he was DAMAGED GOODS...DE - The team has spent a first, second, 2 fourths and a fifth rounder in the past three drafts...so he has been spending premium picks on premium positions....the lone exception has been LT...however with Penn playing at or near an above average LT for many years there has been no need to spend more dollars or a premium pick on a LT...with his play declining of late things might change.
This is over a five year period of Dominik's tenure though. I honestly believe he hasn't invested much at DE, basically non at all at OT on the other hand.Drafting a QB is a fair point (no point in sinking too many draft picks here), but I don't think he has valued the position that much in free agency like he should have.Too much emphasis on safety, guard, punter, linebacker, etc
With teams spreading defenses out more and more quality safeties who can cover, play the run and be physically imposing are the new breed of safeties...emphasis on coverage ability. As for spending on QB's in free agency why spend on the position on the open market when most if not all that have hit the open market recently have been garbage or merely below average stop gap types. Spending a first, second, and two fourths is quite a bit of draft resources on defensive ends...taking it a step further the team has drafted the following players along the defensive line under Dominik. McCoy, Brian Price, Roy Miller, Akeem Spence, Adrian Clayborn, Da;Quan Bowers, William Gholston, Kyle Moore and Steven Means during his tenure that's nine draft choices 2 first, 2 second, 1 third, 3 fourths and 1 fifth rounder trying to fix the pass rush. What the team hasn't done is delve in to free agency to fix the pass rush with the best available being Mario Williams a few years ago. Like QB's a quality DE rarely hits the open market. Most teams franchise them or lock them up long term.
Safties that play the run are overrated. What is needed are coverage safties and they can be found in the draft for the fraction of the cost than using top dollar to land one in free agency or using a top ten selection. Clayborn/Bowers were the only DEs drafted within the first three rounds of Dom's tenure thus far which is very poor compared to some of the better GM's in the league over a five year span. Moore. Gholston, and Means were all later draft picks. You can't fix a pass rush by drafting more defensive tackles high than DEs.And no drafted offensive tackles (other than Xavier Fulton)within the first three rounds of the draft shows that this team is in trouble within the next 1-2 years if Dom stays on board.Doms approach **CENSORED**ing sucks which is why he is a terrible GM.All the overpaid players or overvalued positions have either been cut quickly or will be cut quickly.
Can I borrow your crystal ball? Amazing how many future tellers we have on the msg boards these days
Dom is spending too much on . .
How does a GM spend too much on any one position when the team is well under the cap? In other words, he "overpaid" Nicks, but to what harm? Its not like it prevents us from doing anything.I am less and less a fan of Dom, just don't get the criticism on this issue, especially the way the contracts are structured. And if he "overpaid" for Nicks, as an example, does he get credit for not doing a long deal for Free?criticize the guy for not bringing enough talent in, but size of contract? The Glazers can handle it . .
That's the short term view but you only have to think about David coming up for an extension, he will have seen the contract given to Black, which didn't hurt us at the time because we had the room, and could think to himself "I'm x10 the player he ever was, I deserve to be paid accordingly or I'll take my services elsewhere at the first chance."In terms of overpaying our guards, what happens when we find a franchise LT to replace Penn and he works on his FA contract, "If they're paying guards like that I should get..."How about Revis, trying to make a deal for a CB now could be a nightmare for us as we've given him 50% more than the next highest paid corner in the league at a time when he was damaged goods. Any FA corner worth a damn is going to expect to be overpaid.Just because you have money to spend doesn't mean you should just forget all about the value of things.
On David, the current market dictates what people are paid, not the past market. See Defensive Ends this year, as an example. In other words, David will get paid what the market says his value is, it has almost nothing to do with Black except in the almost abstract sense that the market THEN has some relationship to the market NOW. Running backs used to get paid a fortune . . not all do now.On Penn, paying the BEST guard is hardly a bargaining chip for Penn, a middle of the road LT. Again, the internal stuff means far less, almost nothing, compared to what the market will bear at that time.If he even sticks around, shouldn't we wait until we are having to drop guys (like with did with McKay/Allen) before we start complaining? For goodness sake, even the contract being discussed is FRONT END loaded, so they don't really owe the guy anything (so to speak) and no cap hitIf what one comes up with in an attempt to criticize Dom is the Nicks contract . . . .the person advancing that argument is either not trying hard enough or trying way too hard. How about a simpler argument: the talent on the team?
Dom is spending too much on . .
How does a GM spend too much on any one position when the team is well under the cap? In other words, he "overpaid" Nicks, but to what harm? Its not like it prevents us from doing anything.I am less and less a fan of Dom, just don't get the criticism on this issue, especially the way the contracts are structured. And if he "overpaid" for Nicks, as an example, does he get credit for not doing a long deal for Free?criticize the guy for not bringing enough talent in, but size of contract? The Glazers can handle it . .
That's the short term view but you only have to think about David coming up for an extension, he will have seen the contract given to Black, which didn't hurt us at the time because we had the room, and could think to himself "I'm x10 the player he ever was, I deserve to be paid accordingly or I'll take my services elsewhere at the first chance."In terms of overpaying our guards, what happens when we find a franchise LT to replace Penn and he works on his FA contract, "If they're paying guards like that I should get..."How about Revis, trying to make a deal for a CB now could be a nightmare for us as we've given him 50% more than the next highest paid corner in the league at a time when he was damaged goods. Any FA corner worth a damn is going to expect to be overpaid.Just because you have money to spend doesn't mean you should just forget all about the value of things.
Except if one player is ten times the player another guy is, he doesn't get ten times as much money. No matter how good you are, you just get paid along the lines of what the other good players in the NFL get paid. Mike Williams signed for a very fair amount.
That might be a true post in most cases but Dom is not most cases.The guy hasn't met a big name player he wasn't willing to overpay for, the guy has zero eye for value, it seems like every time we bring in a player he's suddenly the most highly paid at his position OR vastly overpaid (see last years Wright deal).It's all well and good to pay over the top for big names if there's at least some kind of justification for doing so AND you also show that you can fill the roster with mid tier level players at a reason able price but Dom hasn't shown he can do that, it's simply a case of here's a sheet of paper, write the salary you want down and I'll give you 140% of that.Where is that mid tier talent that makes teams great, EVERY team has high end talent and some scrubs but it's the middle of the roster grunts that get you through the year while getting little glory.Our salary situation is the dumbest in the league.
Dom is spending too much on . .
How does a GM spend too much on any one position when the team is well under the cap? In other words, he "overpaid" Nicks, but to what harm? Its not like it prevents us from doing anything.I am less and less a fan of Dom, just don't get the criticism on this issue, especially the way the contracts are structured. And if he "overpaid" for Nicks, as an example, does he get credit for not doing a long deal for Free?criticize the guy for not bringing enough talent in, but size of contract? The Glazers can handle it . .
That's the short term view but you only have to think about David coming up for an extension, he will have seen the contract given to Black, which didn't hurt us at the time because we had the room, and could think to himself "I'm x10 the player he ever was, I deserve to be paid accordingly or I'll take my services elsewhere at the first chance."In terms of overpaying our guards, what happens when we find a franchise LT to replace Penn and he works on his FA contract, "If they're paying guards like that I should get..."How about Revis, trying to make a deal for a CB now could be a nightmare for us as we've given him 50% more than the next highest paid corner in the league at a time when he was damaged goods. Any FA corner worth a damn is going to expect to be overpaid.Just because you have money to spend doesn't mean you should just forget all about the value of things.
On David, the current market dictates what people are paid, not the past market. See Defensive Ends this year, as an example. In other words, David will get paid what the market says his value is, it has almost nothing to do with Black except in the almost abstract sense that the market THEN has some relationship to the market NOW. Running backs used to get paid a fortune . . not all do now.On Penn, paying the BEST guard is hardly a bargaining chip for Penn, a middle of the road LT. Again, the internal stuff means far less, almost nothing, compared to what the market will bear at that time.If he even sticks around, shouldn't we wait until we are having to drop guys (like with did with McKay/Allen) before we start complaining? For goodness sake, even the contract being discussed is FRONT END loaded, so they don't really owe the guy anything (so to speak) and no cap hitIf what one comes up with in an attempt to criticize Dom is the Nicks contract . . . .the person advancing that argument is either not trying hard enough or trying way too hard. How about a simpler argument: the talent on the team?
If current market dictates what players get paid not past market it only makes Doms deal look even worse.How can anyone justify giving an injured player 50% more than the 2nd highest paid player at his position when the other available corners were signing for peanuts elsewhere?Surely we should have gotten Revis at a bargain rate.You totally misread the bit about guards and left tackles, I never mentioned paying Penn or how good he is.As far as the talent on the team, there is nowhere near enough of it, all this talk of how "talented" the Bucs are is a joke.A team is 53 players not 15 overpaid big names (mostly at lesser positions) and 38 complete nobodies picked off from other team practice squads.
Jesus H...you guys are getting ridiculous with your hindsight criticism. I would have done this, I would have done that....just shut the front door. Im not a huge fan of Dom, but I think his ability as a GM has gotten better over his tenure. Are you guys better today at your job than you were 5 years ago? I sure as hell hope so. At the end of last year, it was glaringly obvious what our problem was...the secondary. We had a top 10 offense and a #1 rush D. All he did was fleece the Jets and somehow get Revis to sign a deal that doesnt hurt the team at all, sign another all-pro safety, and draft the top CB from the college ranks (Thorpe Award). Hard to ask for much more than that, but at the same time he didnt saddle us with an albatross contract for Freeman or Bennett. Oh, he also drafted a starting NT in the 4th and traded Punchy McOneTrick (Blount) for the pick he took James (who was more than serviceable at RB).All that following a year where he found a stud LB in the 2nd, traded back up into the 1st to get Dougie...Im starting to think most of you guys complain just to complain. Is Dom perfect, no. Is he putting talent on the team while keeping us in good cap position, yes.
There is no hindsight criticism going on.Your example of the secondary being glaringly obvious last year is a massive example of that.Why the hell did it get that bad when many fans saw it coming years previously but it was ignored by "genius" Dom?It was a concern of many back in 2011 a full 2 years previous when many fans were praying for Nnamdi Asomugha or Jonathan Joseph.Then on his first attempt to fix the problem he did it by throwing idiotic amounts of cash at a corner in Wright who was so bad on previous teams that he got death threats from fans, what a great plan.Dom is nowhere near proactive enough to be considered even an average GM (more so when you combine his almost complete lack of ability to judge value), he waits until a problem is so severe that it has to be fixed and then over reacts by over investing trying to sort it.I actually like the guy and wish I could back him staying on as GM but the fact is he stinks at his job.
