Those needs we have -OLB/Edge, ILB, CB - are premium needs for every NFL defense. Any DC candidate has their own spin on how they want those elite players to play those positions in any particular scheme.
But that DC will still be limited by both the draft position or cap space for free agency - next season.
So it’s more about a lack of access to premier quality in the draft (due to draft position of winning coaches),
This simply isn’t true. I gave you examples of players they could have, and should have, selected that would have improved the defense specifically and the team overall. Hell, one of those was a top-5 pick.
Again, the cap had nothing to do with these whiffs.
I agree, but the draft position was a concern, because there was a specific need and limited options. It’s even more pronounced now because we can no longer augment weak drafts with FA spending.So it’s more about a lack of access to premier quality in the draft (due to draft position of winning coaches),
This simply isn’t true. I gave you examples of players they could have, and should have, selected that would have improved the defense specifically and the team overall. Hell, one of those was a top-5 pick.
Again, the cap had nothing to do with these whiffs.
But, I just don’t put the selection entirely on Bowles.
One of the funniest things on here is Biggs trolling himself
trying so hard to blame Bowles that he doesn’t realize he’s u deviation that by pointing out unproductive players
I agree, but the draft position was a concern, because there was a specific need and limited options. It’s even more pronounced now because we can no longer augment weak drafts with FA spending.So it’s more about a lack of access to premier quality in the draft (due to draft position of winning coaches),
This simply isn’t true. I gave you examples of players they could have, and should have, selected that would have improved the defense specifically and the team overall. Hell, one of those was a top-5 pick.
Again, the cap had nothing to do with these whiffs.
But, I just don’t put the selection entirely on Bowles.
the definition of need drafting is over drafting a position. Biggs hindsight aside it’s pretty hilarious to try to pin Brady Super Bowl win now drafting on Bowles
the draft position was a concern,
one of the worst need picks ever was on of Biggs favorite Gator QBs. If you look at the draft of Hall and JTS they are both similar need driven picks
Oops CBs
But, I just don’t put the selection entirely on Bowles.
I don’t either, and said as such. They are Licht’s picks, but he’s not picking those specific defensive players early without Bowles’ approval that they will work for his defense.
I won’t disagree with this. I think some areas of talent acquisition have been very good, we can all pick those spots. I think other areas are weak, and either the input on the draft has been bad, or the one pulling the trigger on the final decision has been poor.But, I just don’t put the selection entirely on Bowles.
I don’t either, and said as such. They are Licht’s picks, but he’s not picking those specific defensive players early without Bowles’ approval that they will work for his defense.
I’m not sure that will be fixed by replacing the HC & DC.
hey are Licht’s picks, but he’s not picking those specific defensive players early without Bowles’ approval that they will work for his defense.
So the 2024 Bucs defense is struggling in part because of a lack of talent (White, JTS and Hall) .. . and that is also on Bowles.
Nice!
So it’s more about a lack of access to premier quality in the draft (due to draft position of winning coaches),
This simply isn’t true. I gave you examples of players they could have, and should have, selected that would have improved the defense specifically and the team overall. Hell, one of those was a top-5 pick.
Again, the cap had nothing to do with these whiffs.
These are all great points you made but when many of us said take Creed over Trask your take was much different.
And yes we've beaten this horse to death that we would have had to trade up one pick so I understand it's different than a better player being selected later... But you do see the notes of hypocrisy, yes?
And for the record I agree with everything you've said here and prior regarding picks and quality of picks.
But you do see the notes of hypocrisy, yes?
lol
regarding picks and quality of picks.
JTS is just a whiff for sure. I think Licht referred to that draft as picking for LONG TERM needs because we resigned the whole team, but it was a draft with limited edge talent so why that pick? Its not hard to see Bowles thinking of him as sort of what he is, which is an athletic zone dropper BUT that would develop into a pass rusher. BIG FAIL . .. but they know that going int this season and get NO ONE in free agency (like you would if you really though this was a big year). They draft Braswell
Hall is a need pick during the "I will leave the light on " season.
Everyone hates it here, but WHITE played a BIG role in the SB season . .. . clown that he is.
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These are all great points you made but when many of us said take Creed over Trask your take was much different.
And yes we've beaten this horse to death that we would have had to trade up one pick so I understand it's different than a better player being selected later... But you do see the notes of hypocrisy, yes?
If I were to say that Humphrey should have been taken over JTS in R1, but Humphrey should not have been taken over Trask in R2, then you would have a better point. But that isn't the case. There was never a choice to take Creed over Trask in R2, but there was a choice to take Creed over JTS in R1.
So no, there's no hypocrisy.
These are all great points you made but when many of us said take Creed over Trask your take was much different.
And yes we've beaten this horse to death that we would have had to trade up one pick so I understand it's different than a better player being selected later... But you do see the notes of hypocrisy, yes?
If I were to say that Humphrey should have been taken over JTS in R1, but Humphrey should not have been taken over Trask in R2, then you would have a better point. But that isn't the case. There was never a choice to take Creed over Trask in R2, but there was a choice to take Creed over JTS in R1.
So no, there's no hypocrisy.
It was one spot. He already showed he'll trade up one spot to get Wirfs just one year earlier.
Either way we agree Licht hasn't drafted well on the defensive side of the ball recently and has reached for ends instead of taking BPA.
Ends are kinda like QBs. They get overvalued by the position being so important that you end up take players 15-30 picks earlier than you should out of necessary.
Also later edge rushers (let's call it after pick 25) I would assume have a very low likelihood of success than a LB in that area.
That's why we wanted Josh Allen over Devin White.
That's why we wanted a LB over reaching on edge rushers like Braswell, etc.
You just gotta learn to draft players where they have value.
Early picks are for elite talent at any position... You don't reach on Devin White when Josh Allen is right there.
But you also don't reach on Trask when we have Brady and need depth.
So Licht hopefully has a plan once the dead cap expires and these needs get filled with BOTH the draft and FA.
Also I'm using the term "reach" loosely. I know Trask and Braswell were drafted around where they were projected so maybe it's just a reach to me because the talent being assessed was a group think pick.
It's pretty clear to me Trask is a career backup and it was clear to me at the time... And we had Brady and we were the defending champs. So it's a reach to me for all those reasons combined despite Trask projected sound the late 2nd early 3rd
