"The collapse of the 2002 team is 100% on Gruden.
He was an awful coach that was adored by the casuals."
The casuals who choose the Ring of Honor?
"The collapse of the 2002 team is 100% on Gruden.
He was an awful coach that was adored by the casuals."
The casuals who choose the Ring of Honor?
He was the HC of a SB team. Of course he gets in.
Monte was the reason though.
But, guess you're one of those who think he was a good HC/Offensive Guru.
Dungy couldn't get it done with the defense. This is common knowledge. But you are obviously above us commoners when it comes to Grudenology. You have the real revisionist version.
Dungy couldn't get it done with the defense. This is common knowledge. But you are obviously above us commoners when it comes to Grudenology. You have the real revisionist version.
So, again, you think Gruden is a good HC/Offensive Guru?
It's a simple question.
Imo both deserve credit. We don't get 03 super bowl without either one.
I mean gruden was terrible at roster construction but like I said, we were in the hunt all but 2 of his years. More than you can say in the 10 years following him
I mean gruden was terrible at roster construction but like I said, we were in the hunt all but 2 of his years.
He wasn't just horrible at roster construction. His offense was mediocre at best. And, that was supposed to be his specialty.
And, we weren't "in the hunt all but 2 years". Lol.
Hell, we had 3 years with losing records alone. We missed the playoffs more than we made them.
And, that was with a Top-10 or better defense in all but one season he was here.
More than you can say in the 10 years following him
You're right.
Him would be Monte.
Gruden was helped immensely by the Raiders being the SB opponent. Made it easy pickins' for the Bucs D.
in the hunt all but 2 of his years.
More than you can say in the 10 years following him
In the hunt?
The years that immediately follow (not 10, less than that) are a direct reaction to the failed, Gruden/Allen-reinforced belief that we were really close talent-wise after the SB (sound familiar?)
Different than today because today's team discussion is built around an older QB GOAT whereas Gruden seemed to think he could win NOW without a franchise QB, but the same in terms of old veteran plug-ins (Time Brown then, Julio Jones now). The core belief that connect both eras is that the team is still as talented as leading up to its SB win. Half measures to "take one more shot" as opposed to fundamentally sound team building
"needs 1 to 2 months" to decide.
Last season, 40 days was TOO LATE for players on the fence. Kappa, gone. Marpet, retire. Jensen was on his way out the door. Godwin?
Fast forward to THIS OFFSEASON:
Now, The Team has many decisions to make before Free Agency.
IMO, Brady is MOVING ON from the Bucs-- but wants to make it look like the Bucs are MOVING ON from him.
Brady is probably leaving but don't conflate issues.
Cappa isn't that good, is overpaid and we won 4 post-season games without him, scoring 31+ each game.
Marpet quit football in high school, chose Hobart over D1 schools (he wasn't this this undiscovered star, he just didn't want to go those big programs) and people are surprised he retired after concussion issues.
Jensen is so over-rated on this board. He should have never been re-signed and if you want to watch something pathetic go watch the All-22 of the Cowboys game. WTF were they thinking benching Hainsey for him. I would say Jensen was our worst player but somehow #45 managed to be worse.
Jensen is overrated but I think Hainsey is underrated in that a lot of the problems on offense were pinned on him when it was other players on the OL not pulling their weight. Unfortunately the Bucs have too many holes or else moving on from Jensen and letting Hainsey take over would be an easy decision.
The same day Sean Payton makes a deal to go to Denver, Brady decides he's done.
A tiny bit more fuel to the 2022 story Dolphins/Brady/Payton?...
