Lastly...The "signs" of a sociopath have to do with how a person interacts with other human beings. It has nothing to do with how someone treats an animal (not a human being, AN ANIMAL)So lets dispel that bull**CENSORED** argument immediately
Actual animal torture is one of the diagnostic signs of sociopathy. He tortured animals for no reason - he wasn't eating them, they were not pests to be rid of - other than amusement and profit. Is he a sociopath, who knows. He's a scumbag for sure and a QB with marginal skills over his career.
But there was a reason - for sport and competition. A true sociopath tortures for the simple pleasure of seeing something suffer. He has also showed remorse for his actions , which a sociopath does not feel.
Didn't he admit to hanging and drowning dogs? That's got nothing to do with sport or competition. I don't know if that makes him a sociopath, but it does make him a grade-A d-bag that I would never want kids looking up to.
Torturing animals for enjoyment is the surest sign there is of a sociopath (other than torturing people, which isn't a sign it's confirmation). Anyone that tells you different doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Vick chose to personally take part in these activities. I don't care if he did his time or not, I want players on the team that I can root for. Michael Vick is not such a person.
Torturing animals for enjoyment is the surest sign there is of a sociopath (other than torturing people, which isn't a sign it's confirmation). Anyone that tells you different doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Vick chose to personally take part in these activities. I don't care if he did his time or not, I want players on the team that I can root for. Michael Vick is not such a person.
That ghetto culture Vick came from does not see the fighting of the dogs as torture. Talk to dog fighters and they will tell you they love their dogs .You may think that is twisted and absurd , and it probably is , but that is how they really feel . Regardless , the motivations are quite different from that of a true sociopath . His pleasure does not come from the suffering , it comes when his dogs are winning.Take Spain for example . They love their Bull Fighting . I don't know if you've ever seen an actual Bullfight , but is more than just waving a red blanket around . It is a barbaric event in which the Bull is slowly tortured to death. Is the entire country of Spain all sociopathic , or are they just suffering from a cultural disconnect in which they don't value the humane treatment of animals in the same way we do ??
Torturing animals for enjoyment is the surest sign there is of a sociopath (other than torturing people, which isn't a sign it's confirmation). Anyone that tells you different doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Vick chose to personally take part in these activities. I don't care if he did his time or not, I want players on the team that I can root for. Michael Vick is not such a person.
That ghetto culture Vick came from does not see the fighting of the dogs as torture. Talk to dog fighters and they will tell you they love their dogs .You may think that is twisted and absurd , and it probably is , but that is how they really feel . Regardless , the motivations are quite different from that of a true sociopath . His pleasure does not come from the suffering , it comes when his dogs are winning.Take Spain for example . They love their Bull Fighting . I don't know if you've ever seen an actual Bullfight , but is more than just waving a red blanket around . It is a barbaric event in which the Bull is slowly tortured to death. Is the entire country of Spain all sociopathic , or are they just suffering from a cultural disconnect in which they don't value the humane treatment of animals in the same way we do ??
Who is we? ;D
Bullfighting, eh? How many times does the dog actually get a shot at taking out someone like Vick? Does it take as much courage to electrocute a tied up dog as it does to step into the ring with an angry bull? I don't think your comparison holds up too well.I would love to see Vick step into the ring with a bull. I would cheer like mad for the bull.
Torturing animals for enjoyment is the surest sign there is of a sociopath (other than torturing people, which isn't a sign it's confirmation). Anyone that tells you different doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Vick chose to personally take part in these activities. I don't care if he did his time or not, I want players on the team that I can root for. Michael Vick is not such a person.
That ghetto culture Vick came from does not see the fighting of the dogs as torture. Talk to dog fighters and they will tell you they love their dogs .You may think that is twisted and absurd , and it probably is , but that is how they really feel . Regardless , the motivations are quite different from that of a true sociopath . His pleasure does not come from the suffering , it comes when his dogs are winning.Take Spain for example . They love their Bull Fighting . I don't know if you've ever seen an actual Bullfight , but is more than just waving a red blanket around . It is a barbaric event in which the Bull is slowly tortured to death. Is the entire country of Spain all sociopathic , or are they just suffering from a cultural disconnect in which they don't value the humane treatment of animals in the same way we do ??
Bullfighting, eh? How many times does the dog actually get a shot at taking out someone like Vick? Does it take as much courage to electrocute a tied up dog as it does to step into the ring with an angry bull? I don't think your comparison holds up too well.I would love to see Vick step into the ring with a bull. I would cheer like mad for the bull.
The dog at least gets to compete against another dog on a level playing field ....the poor bull is stabbed with spears by guys on horseback it can't catch , so as to weaken it with wounds and blood loss , as it is continuously distracted , enraged , and finally exhausted into submission by some jackass teasing him with a red blanket. Then he gets a sword in his heart for the troubles.So I ask again....is the country of Spain sociopathic , or simply willing to accept something cultural that is inhumane ?
And what about what he did outside of the fights? It wasn't just dog fighting. He beat and electrocuted dogs to death. NOT during a fight.
I would buy a ticket to see VIck torn to shreds by a pack of vicious pit bulls.. The guy represents the "sub human" part of the population. Football should not allow sociopaths to play the sport and make millions to support a absolutely abhorrent life style.
I would buy a ticket to see VIck torn to shreds by a pack of vicious pit bulls.. The guy represents the "sub human" part of the population. Football should not allow sociopaths to play the sport and make millions to support a absolutely abhorrent life style.
In what universe is that not thousands of times worse then anything Michael Vick was even accused of doing? Lol at this post being an attempt at a moral stand.
I would buy a ticket to see VIck torn to shreds by a pack of vicious pit bulls.. The guy represents the "sub human" part of the population. Football should not allow sociopaths to play the sport and make millions to support a absolutely abhorrent life style.
In what universe is that not thousands of times worse then anything Michael Vick was even accused of doing? Lol at this post being an attempt at a moral stand.
Hey I would pull the dogs off before they actually killed him which of course makes me on a far higher moral ground than Vick ever will be!Hey I understand you and your sub human ilk have a different opinion and actually condone Vick's behavior. Sorry, I am not following that parade which is on a much lower spiritual level.There is nothing funny or humorous about Vick's despikable actions. 1000 times worse? Actually it is a much better fate than Vick gave to those dogs! Just perhaps Vick would actually be remorseful for a reason not just to make more money! >:(
The discussion has.....well.....gone to the dogs.
Caradoc ,What he did was desplcable , no doubt , but I am arguing that he is not a monster or a sociopath like some are suggesting. This is directly from the Humane Societies Website :" Did Michael Vick approach you or did you ask him to help you?When Vick was close to finishing his prison sentence, his representatives approached HSUS President and CEO Wayne Pacelle, who dismissed their first appeals. Later he agreed to meet with Vick, after considering the potential that Vick had to reach the estimated 100,000 participants in urban street dogfighting. If there was a chance that Vick could save one dog from suffering the same abuse he inflicted, the proposal was worth our consideration.After meeting with Vick and hearing him express his remorse, Pacelle consulted with The HSUS' board of directors and staff. Despite our utter disgust with what Vick did and our leading role in making sure he was convicted and punished for his crimes, we decided that shunning Vick forever would do no good for any animal. Vick paid $1 million for the care and rehabilitation of the dogs at Bad Newz Kennels. Now he contributes his time and his voice to attacking the problem by reaching out to inner-city youth.Has Michael Vick acknowledged that what he did to dogs was wrong?Yes. Over the course of several face-to-face meetings and during public appearances, Vick has apologized and acknowledged the suffering he caused to animals. He has expressed his remorse and his desire to help more animals than he harmed by being an advocate for the humane treatment of animals. We only agreed to give him an opportunity to speak with kids if he was committed to the goal of ending dogfighting and to publicly acknowledging that his past actions were cruel and unacceptable." http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/dogfighting/qa/vick_faq.html ...and from an interview:" From the experience and what I went through ... I'm not bitter because it's made me a better person , and now I'm doing better things with my life. I actually enjoy working with the humane society , and it's been a pleasure. Everyone thinks I'm doing it as a gimmick , but I'm really not . You know the only thing I would change is the fact that I fought those dogs...I could've gave them a better life "Bottom line : He paid his debt ,he expressed remorse , he is trying to make amends . I for one can forgive and give a 2nd chance.
Hey I would pull the dogs off before they actually killed him which of course makes me on a far higher moral ground than Vick ever will be!Hey I understand you and your sub human ilk have a different opinion and actually condone Vick's behavior. Sorry, I am not following that parade which is on a much lower spiritual level.There is nothing funny or humorous about Vick's despikable actions. 1000 times worse? Actually it is a much better fate than Vick gave to those dogs! Just perhaps Vick would actually be remorseful for a reason not just to make more money! >:(
This is the crux of the issue I think. There are many people out there who have dogs (and other animals as well) right there next to people morally. I have a wide chasm between what one human does to another human and what one human does to any other living creature on this planet. I can be disgusted by cruelty to animals, but not feel any where near the same level of emotion as when a human is treated similarly poorly. Honestly, your words scare me. What you talk about is so far worse to me than what Michael Vick did that they are not even in the same conversation. You actually believe that allowing dogs to maul a human is better somehow then a human killing many dogs? That concept is wholly foreign to me.
Hey I would pull the dogs off before they actually killed him which of course makes me on a far higher moral ground than Vick ever will be!Hey I understand you and your sub human ilk have a different opinion and actually condone Vick's behavior. Sorry, I am not following that parade which is on a much lower spiritual level.There is nothing funny or humorous about Vick's despikable actions. 1000 times worse? Actually it is a much better fate than Vick gave to those dogs! Just perhaps Vick would actually be remorseful for a reason not just to make more money! >:(
This is the crux of the issue I think. There are many people out there who have dogs (and other animals as well) right there next to people morally. I have a wide chasm between what one human does to another human and what one human does to any other living creature on this planet. I can be disgusted by cruelty to animals, but not feel any where near the same level of emotion as when a human is treated similarly poorly. Honestly, your words scare me. What you talk about is so far worse to me than what Michael Vick did that they are not even in the same conversation. You actually believe that allowing dogs to maul a human is better somehow then a human killing many dogs? That concept is wholly foreign to me.
Understood. The fact that such behavior torturing animals is a favorite pastime of serial killers has been referenced above. Hey that is because you lack the morals and convictions of any measure of the best of human culture. Even primitive cultures frown on such despikable behavior. The sub human part of the today's society doesn't understand such things. That is why having Vick torn up a bit by some dogs would indeed be a great lesson in life of right versus wrong.As to the nonsense of the Humane society etc which VIck donated funds .... If it meant a few million more in one's pocket to do such a thing I can understand perfectly Vick's feigned remorse over the whole issue. Until you learn compassion for the family pet ( God's innocent children) it will remain a foreign concept to you. What you don't seem to understand is I am not suggesting that any innocent human being ever be tortured. Vick committed horrific cruelty towards dogs with apparently the same lack of concern that you have towards the behavior. That is the problem... Seek a higher spiritual level in your life. Rise above such abhorrent behavior as being acceptable or condonable. Your words scare me more that you have such a lack of compassion for a dog that has always been man's best friend. Hey I am not doing anything to Vick I am just stating that for him to actually pay for his sins he might just need a lesson from a dog.Perhaps by feeling the pain he would have a bit more compassion for man's best friend.VIck was on a similar path as Hernandez but got caught before the next stage... Bet you excuse him as well?