SR says the Bucs are going "bargain hunting" for low budget free agents. Sure the first wave is done, but there are still some guys out who are not low budget. They structured Evans to hit the 2024 cap for only $7 mil and Mayfield will hit for about $10.75 mil. They have to sign David, but they still can create more cap space by signing Winfield to a deal. Wirfs counts $18 mil against the cap. Any new deal won't really increase that 2024 number by much.
Why did they backload the Evans and Mayfield deals? The Bucs are restocking with young players, but that doesn't mean they don't want to win now. You have some high priced veterans who aren't getting any younger. Even guys like Winfield and Wirfs are in their prime and you want to take advantage of that. Maybe they aren't just looking at low budget players.
LB Patrick Queen? Danielle Hunter? Justin Simmons? Chase Young? Those are remaining top 25 free agents still available and they won't come cheap. I don't know who's the best fit for the Bucs, but don't assume the Bucs are looking to scrape the bottom of the barrel when the barrel isn't down to the bottom yet.
Vea or Godwin or both would need to restructure to make a “splash”
iirc we have about 10 mil available right now?
between David and draft class there goes Most or all of that
david should be 3-6 milish with incentives. Iirc he was about 4-7 last year.
like you mentioned awj or wirfs extensions would help our cap situation right now as well. Hopefully one or both of those happen before the season starts. Only 2nd day of Fa.
sometimes better to wait post draft as well for bargains or veterans.
A value free agent could be a splash-type player. Don’t get me wrong, I would be happy with any of the names on your list, just think they won’t go that big.SR says the Bucs are going "bargain hunting" for low budget free agents. Sure the first wave is done, but there are still some guys out who are not low budget. They structured Evans to hit the 2024 cap for only $7 mil and Mayfield will hit for about $10.75 mil. They have to sign David, but they still can create more cap space by signing Winfield to a deal. Wirfs counts $18 mil against the cap. Any new deal won't really increase that 2024 number by much.
Why did they backload the Evans and Mayfield deals? The Bucs are restocking with young players, but that doesn't mean they don't want to win now. You have some high priced veterans who aren't getting any younger. Even guys like Winfield and Wirfs are in their prime and you want to take advantage of that. Maybe they aren't just looking at low budget players.
LB Patrick Queen? Danielle Hunter? Justin Simmons? Chase Young? Those are remaining top 25 free agents still available and they won't come cheap. I don't know who's the best fit for the Bucs, but don't assume the Bucs are looking to scrape the bottom of the barrel when the barrel isn't down to the bottom yet.
I don’t see Bucs rushing to extend Wirffs, he’s going to be very expensive.Vea or Godwin or both would need to restructure to make a “splash”
iirc we have about 10 mil available right now?
between David and draft class there goes Most or all of that
david should be 3-6 milish with incentives. Iirc he was about 4-7 last year.
like you mentioned awj or wirfs extensions would help our cap situation right now as well. Hopefully one or both of those happen before the season starts. Only 2nd day of Fa.
sometimes better to wait post draft as well for bargains or veterans.
I’m sure re-structuring Vita Vea is on the radar, but I would think they wait to do that until they need to, maybe in order to maintain the notion that they are nearing the edge of their cap?
The only thing I agree with the PR staff battle plans is the Bucs have a shot of making a splash signing at safety. But beyond that I am okay with the team signing a center like Brian Allen.
Bucs need to add some low key vets at WR, TE, C< G, OLB, CB and S.
Wirfs is going to be expensive, but he's already counting about $18 mil on the cap. I would think any new deal would presumably start in 2025 anyway wouldn't it? In any case it could be structured so it doesn't increase the amount on the 2024 cap.I don’t see Bucs rushing to extend Wirffs, he’s going to be very expensive.Vea or Godwin or both would need to restructure to make a “splash”
iirc we have about 10 mil available right now?
between David and draft class there goes Most or all of that
david should be 3-6 milish with incentives. Iirc he was about 4-7 last year.
like you mentioned awj or wirfs extensions would help our cap situation right now as well. Hopefully one or both of those happen before the season starts. Only 2nd day of Fa.
sometimes better to wait post draft as well for bargains or veterans.
I’m sure re-structuring Vita Vea is on the radar, but I would think they wait to do that until they need to, maybe in order to maintain the notion that they are nearing the edge of their cap?
They very well could, but most likely wont.
You don't need player permission for restructures. They hold that option in their pocket if they see the value out there to open more space for this season and move cap down the line. Vea and Dean restructures alone could net you 15-20 mil more in space this year.
A new Wirfs deal would also be done with the intent to decrease this years cap and get ahead of other signings which will only go up with inflation over time. Same with Winfield. Both of these guys are now under contract for this year, but I think the Bucs get them new deals. You are looking at also the potential to open up 10-15mil more this season with how the team typically builds out those extensions.
Then you also have the potential of of additional trades. Trading Carlton Davis opened up 6mil of cap this season and more next season in additional to moving up the board.
Plenty of options. Just a matter if they feel confident enough that the Bucs would be a contender with the free agents or if lower money signings are sufficient.
Jordan whitehead back at safety would be nice & sounds like there’s mutual interest.
The internet, which is never wrong, says that rookie contracts can be renegotiated after three seasons. I wasn't really aware of that specific rule, but it makes sense that with the way rookie contracts are regulated that a team wouldn't be able to tear it up right away. But I disagree that you don't need player permission. It's a contract. You can't change any contract without both parties agreeing to it. Usually the player agrees to restructure because it benefits him to do so, such as more guaranteed money or avoiding being cut.They very well could, but most likely wont.
You don't need player permission for restructures. They hold that option in their pocket if they see the value out there to open more space for this season and move cap down the line. Vea and Dean restructures alone could net you 15-20 mil more in space this year.
A new Wirfs deal would also be done with the intent to decrease this years cap and get ahead of other signings which will only go up with inflation over time. Same with Winfield. Both of these guys are now under contract for this year, but I think the Bucs get them new deals. You are looking at also the potential to open up 10-15mil more this season with how the team typically builds out those extensions.
Then you also have the potential of of additional trades. Trading Carlton Davis opened up 6mil of cap this season and more next season in additional to moving up the board.
Plenty of options. Just a matter if they feel confident enough that the Bucs would be a contender with the free agents or if lower money signings are sufficient.
It's a contract. You can't change any contract without both parties agreeing to it. Usually the player agrees to restructure because it benefits him to do so, such as more guaranteed money or avoiding being cut.
This !
As for Wirfs and AWJ contracts. If you have a chance to lockup both of these players this year the benefits are 2-fold. 1 by locking up both players now you potentially save a few million on both of their contracts going forward. Say both play this year lights out, the renewal on their contract next year might be 23-25 million per year average, where if you resign them now you could potentially sign them to 20 million deals. The second part to that is that the contract does in fact replace the current contract, so while Wirfs is playing on an 18 mil a year option, and AWJ is on a 17 mil a year Franchise tag, you could backload the contracts to account for cap increases over the life of the contracts. i'm just throwing both of these figures out for ease, but say both Wirfs and AWJ both signed 5 year 100 million dollar contracts you could potentially make it where the first two years were in the 10-12 million dollar range with a steady jump in years 3,4,5, but still opening up available cap for 2024. As for Godwin, I don't really see the team being too eager to restructure his deal. as it stands he'll already count 18.8 million in dead cap for next year regardless, so outside of a new extension for him ( which would likely be worth more than he's scheduled to make now ) it just doesn't really make sense to add more dead money to a guy thats just as likely to be gone next year as he is to return.
Don’t think we’ve approached free agency with the he idea of adding splash guys in awhile. They have typically filled-in on the edge with value FA’s…which means OLB’s with some speed, but guys with a little mileage in them (I.e., Shaq Barrett and JPP). I don’t see that strategy changing.SR says the Bucs are going "bargain hunting" for low budget free agents. Sure the first wave is done, but there are still some guys out who are not low budget. They structured Evans to hit the 2024 cap for only $7 mil and Mayfield will hit for about $10.75 mil. They have to sign David, but they still can create more cap space by signing Winfield to a deal. Wirfs counts $18 mil against the cap. Any new deal won't really increase that 2024 number by much.
Why did they backload the Evans and Mayfield deals? The Bucs are restocking with young players, but that doesn't mean they don't want to win now. You have some high priced veterans who aren't getting any younger. Even guys like Winfield and Wirfs are in their prime and you want to take advantage of that. Maybe they aren't just looking at low budget players.
LB Patrick Queen? Danielle Hunter? Justin Simmons? Chase Young? Those are remaining top 25 free agents still available and they won't come cheap. I don't know who's the best fit for the Bucs, but don't assume the Bucs are looking to scrape the bottom of the barrel when the barrel isn't down to the bottom yet.
I believe they have only pursued short-term answers at positions like LB/edge, in order to focus on developing some draft picks - like SirVocea and Yaya, etc.
