Or someone who thinks Benn, Winslow and Blount were "building around" Freeman when Schiano got rid of them as soon as he got here, whether they were good or not.
I like how you left off Mike Williams, VJax, and Martin. Winslow and Blount didn't produce anything while here? or after leaving? or before they got here (k2)? Schiano got rid of Bennett too, is he not any good either?Unfortunately the Bucs didn't surround Freeturd with 3 all pro WRs, an all pro TE, and a couple of all pro RBs, and 5 all pro offensive linemen. Or that #1 ranked defense. Maybe then he wouldn't have sucked so badly.Carry on dummy. Cherry pick some more drives or stats for us.Oh, and Freeman still sucks
Freeman is going to be the starter in Oakland this next season.
Or someone who thinks Benn, Winslow and Blount were "building around" Freeman when Schiano got rid of them as soon as he got here, whether they were good or not.
I like how you left off Mike Williams, VJax, and Martin. Winslow and Blount didn't produce anything while here? or after leaving? or before they got here (k2)? Schiano got rid of Bennett too, is he not any good either?Unfortunately the Bucs didn't surround Freeturd with 3 all pro WRs, an all pro TE, and a couple of all pro RBs, and 5 all pro offensive linemen. Or that #1 ranked defense. Maybe then he wouldn't have sucked so badly.Carry on dummy. Cherry pick some more drives or stats for us.Oh, and Freeman still sucks
You used Benn, Winslow and Blount as pieces "built around" Freeman when they barely played under Schiano, Winslow not even at all. Benn was a horrible pick and Winslow was a bad trade. Could he have gotten the #8 defense? #11? #14? Funny how when Cam had the #28 defense he was a loser, immature, bad body language, just put up stats. Now he has the #2 defense he's matured into a winner. You want some more drives?4 7:41 1 10 NYG 12 Eli Manning pass complete short middle to Andre Brown for 8 yards (tackle by Mason Foster and Brandon McDonald) 27 19 -0.35 0.29 8.44 7:08 2 2 NYG 20 Eli Manning pass incomplete short left intended for Hakeem Nicks (defended by Aqib Talib) 27 19 0.29 -0.48 5.34 6:59 Timeout #2 by Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27 19 0 0 4 6:59 3 2 NYG 20 Eli Manning pass complete deep right to Victor Cruz for 80 yards, touchdown 27 25 -0.48 7 40.84 6:59 Two Point Attempt: Andre Brown right guard, conversion succeeds4 5:43 1 10 NYG 33 Eli Manning pass incomplete deep right intended for Hakeem Nicks (defended by Aqib Talib) 27 27 1.14 0.59 62.74 5:36 2 10 NYG 33 Eli Manning pass complete short right to Martellus Bennett for 14 yards (tackle by Brandon McDonald) 27 27 0.59 2.06 75.14 4:52 1 10 NYG 47 Eli Manning pass complete short middle to Hakeem Nicks for 20 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 27 27 2.06 3.38 85.24 4:09 1 10 TAM 33 Eli Manning pass complete deep right to Martellus Bennett for 33 yards, touchdown 27 33 3.38 7 96.74 4:09 Lawrence Tynes kicks extra point good 27 344 1:58 1 10 NYG 20 Eli Manning pass complete deep right to Ramses Barden for 24 yards (tackle by Brandon McDonald) 34 34 0.28 1.86 80.34 1:31 1 10 NYG 44 Penalty on Sean Locklear: False Start, 5 yards (no play) 34 34 1.86 1.53 78.54 1:28 1 15 NYG 39 Eli Manning pass complete deep right to Hakeem Nicks for 50 yards (tackle by Ahmad Black) 34 34 1.53 4.84 99.04 1:20 Timeout #1 by New York Giants 34 34 0 0 4 1:20 1 10 TAM 11 Andre Brown up the middle for 9 yards (tackle by Aqib Talib) 34 34 4.84 5.85 99.84 0:34 2 1 TAM 2 Andre Brown left guard for 2 yards, touchdown 34 40 5.85 7 100.04 0:34 Penalty on Kevin Boothe: False Start, 5 yards (no play) 34 40 0 0 100.04 0:34 Lawrence Tynes kicks extra point good 34 414 1:42 TAM 35 Michael Koenen kicks off 65 yards, touchback 21 22 0 0.28 63.14 1:42 1 10 WAS 20 Robert Griffin III pass complete short middle to Santana Moss for 15 yards (tackle by Lavonte David) 21 22 0.28 1.27 46.34 1:20 1 10 WAS 35 Robert Griffin III pass complete short middle to Fred Davis for 20 yards (tackle by Aqib Talib) 21 22 1.27 2.59 22.74 1:00 1 10 TAM 45 Robert Griffin III pass complete short left to Evan Royster for 4 yards (tackle by Aqib Talib) 21 22 2.59 2.58 19.64 0:38 2 6 TAM 41 Robert Griffin III right end for 15 yards (tackle by Mason Foster) 21 22 2.58 3.84 2.74 0:18 1 10 TAM 26 Robert Griffin III spiked the ball 21 22 3.84 3.3 1.64 0:18 2 10 TAM 26 Penalty on Kory Lichtensteiger: False Start, 5 yards (no play) 21 22 3.3 2.62 6.74 0:18 2 15 TAM 31 Robert Griffin III pass complete short middle to Santana Moss for 7 yards (tackle by Brandon McDonald) 21 22 2.62 2.87 4.14 0:07 Timeout #3 by Washington Redskins 21 22 0 0 4 0:07 3 8 TAM 24 Billy Cundiff 41 yard field goal good 24 223 8:37 TAM 35 Michael Koenen kicks off 72 yards, touchback 10 13 0 0.28 59.93 8:37 1 10 ATL 20 Matt Ryan pass complete deep right to Julio Jones for 80 yards, touchdown 16 13 0.28 7 33.63 8:37 Matt Bryant kicks extra point good 17 13 0 0 29.44 10:28 TAM 35 Michael Koenen kicks off 72 yards, returned by Jacquizz Rodgers for 43 yards (tackle by LeQuan Lewis) 17 23 0 1.33 78.34 10:21 1 10 ATL 36 Matt Ryan pass complete short right to Jacquizz Rodgers for 32 yards (tackle by Ronde Barber) 17 23 1.33 3.45 65.94 9:56 1 10 TAM 32 Matt Ryan pass complete short right to Roddy White for 7 yards (tackle by Leonard Johnson) 17 23 3.45 3.85 63.54 9:38 2 3 TAM 25 Matt Ryan pass complete short left to Julio Jones for 15 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 17 23 3.85 4.91 56.24 8:52 1 10 TAM 10 Matt Ryan pass complete short right to Harry Douglas for 5 yards (tackle by E.J. Biggers) 17 23 4.91 5.15 54.84 8:13 2 5 TAM 5 Matt Ryan pass incomplete short left intended for Julio Jones 17 23 5.15 4.26 62.04 8:06 3 5 TAM 5 Matt Ryan pass incomplete short right intended for Harry Douglas. Penalty on Ahmad Black: Defensive Holding, 2 yards (no play) 17 23 4.26 6.51 44.34 8:01 1 3 TAM 3 Michael Turner left end for 3 yards, touchdown 23 23 6.51 7 48.44 8:01 Matt Bryant kicks extra point good 24 234 2:44 1 10 PHI 36 Nick Foles pass complete short right to Jeremy Maclin for 4 yards (tackle by Ronde Barber) 16 21 1.33 1.33 91.44 2:19 2 6 PHI 40 Nick Foles sacked by Michael Bennett for -8 yards 16 21 1.33 -0.43 98.34 2:00 3 14 PHI 32 Nick Foles pass complete deep middle to Jeremy Maclin for 23 yards (tackle by Ahmad Black). Penalty on TAM: Defensive Holding (Declined) 16 21 -0.43 2.59 85.44 1:51 1 10 TAM 45 Nick Foles pass incomplete short left intended for Marvin McNutt. Penalty on Danny Gorrer: Defensive Holding, 5 yards (no play) 16 21 2.59 2.92 82.94 1:47 1 10 TAM 40 Nick Foles pass incomplete deep right intended for Riley Cooper 16 21 2.92 2.37 88.44 1:40 2 10 TAM 40 Nick Foles pass incomplete short middle intended for Jason Avant 16 21 2.37 1.68 93.74 1:35 3 10 TAM 40 Nick Foles pass complete short left to Jeremy Maclin for 9 yards (tackle by Ronde Barber and Mark Barron) 16 21 1.68 1.41 95.44 0:54 4 1 TAM 31 Nick Foles left guard for 3 yards (tackle by Daniel Te'o-Nesheim) 16 21 1.41 3.71 79.14 0:35 1 10 TAM 28 Nick Foles spiked the ball. Penalty on TAM: Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards (no play) 16 21 3.71 4.44 67.04 0:35 1 5 TAM 23 Nick Foles pass incomplete short left intended for Riley Cooper 16 21 4.44 3.84 80.64 0:30 2 5 TAM 23 Nick Foles pass incomplete deep left intended for Riley Cooper 16 21 3.84 3.14 92.64 0:22 3 5 TAM 23 Nick Foles pass incomplete short middle intended for Marvin McNutt (defended by Danny Gorrer) 16 21 3.14 1.98 99.64 0:16 4 5 TAM 23 Nick Foles pass complete deep middle to Jason Avant for 22 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 16 21 1.98 6.97 2.94 0:02 1 1 TAM 1 Nick Foles spiked the ball 16 21 6.97 5.91 5.04 0:02 Timeout #1 by Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 21 0 0 4 0:02 2 1 TAM 1 Nick Foles pass complete short right to Jeremy Maclin for 1 yard, touchdown 22 21 5.91 7 2.94 0:02 Alex Henery kicks extra point good 23 21 0 0 0.0 End of Regulation 23 21
Find me some stats for Freeman against good teams, teams that finished the regular season with a winning record. Freeman could look like an all-pro against the garbage of the league, but he looked rattled and lost when playing against the league's better franchises.
I'd like to see the final drives of the games in which JC's All Star was inactive this past season.
Freeman must be laying down that good wood by how passionately JC defends his man.
Find me some stats for Freeman against good teams, teams that finished the regular season with a winning record. Freeman could look like an all-pro against the garbage of the league, but he looked rattled and lost when playing against the league's better franchises.
To be fair, how many QBs on otherwise bad teams have great games versus good teams? Not many. Do you honestly think Freeman should have been so good to carry inferior teammates against teams with overall much better rosters? That's not usually the way it works. But that's besides the point because we haven't seen the pretty decent-to-almost good Freeman from 2010, part of 2011, and part of 2012 for a while. It looks more and more like that guy doesn't exist anymore. Which should be the point.
I didn't expect Freeman to ever "carry" the team against good competition... I just expected him to be capable of reading defenses and hitting receivers in stride.
I didn't expect Freeman to ever "carry" the team against good competition... I just expected him to be capable of reading defenses and hitting receivers in stride.
He had his issues, to be sure, but it's harder to do those things against good teams who have good players that can rush the passer and play tight, press coverage.
Benn and Freeman were horrible picks and Winslow was a bad trade.
Finally, now we are getting somewhere
It sounds like Freeman is going to Oakland to start there. Wouldn't that just piss off most of the people here who think he's not going to start in the NFL again. :p
Yeah Oakland, the Stub QB city of the world
Yeah Oakland, the Stub QB city of the world
Yea they had the league MVP stud QB the same year we won the SB. They never have anyone good though! ;p
It sounds like Freeman is going to Oakland to start there. Wouldn't that just piss off most of the people here who think he's not going to start in the NFL again. :p
On the flip side, if he failed to win that job would the nut huggers finally wake up? My guess is no and more excuses will flow.
Ten something years ago.Their fondest memory since then was russell. Yay.Freeman won't get a starting gig, and will be lucky to backup. Teams, yes, including the raiders, will avoid him.Plus, there are better fa backup/possible starters. He's screwed.