Freeman was not good enough. Period. Doesn't matter how you spin it. He was counted on to step his game up when the defense played poorly and sucked. He was counted on to win games when the defense played ok and he still sucked. He had one year where he played ok and we didn't win the big games necessary to compete at the next level and from there on out we never did. This isn't even debatable. I don't know how you guys are even debating with JC in this. It's laughable.
I can't even remember the last time I posted on this site but I had to log on just to post about this...Why in the fuck is there a 19 fucking page thread about Josh Freeman? Who the fuck cares about him? This dude is literally completely irrelevant to anything Bucs related. His name, Raheem and Schiano should all be censored on here.
You are wasting your time , Franchise. I've been begging this thread to die for like 10 pages now. Lol
I will give this guy [JC5100] credit. He can keep the argument civilized. That is rare on the Red.I totally disagree though. If Freeman was not given enough time here, or he went to Minny and balled at a high level, then those things would bolster his argument. But as we all saw, neither one of those things actually happened. Carry on.
What does time have to do with it? The coaching and defenses were bad all the way through.Here's a perfect example. If the Bucs had been playing the Saints Week 16 to clinch the playoffs and essentially win or lose the NFC South and Freeman threw 181 yards 1 TD 1 INT and the Bucs had 10 first downs there would be 40 threads about how we need to trade for Cousins, or sign Cassel or draft Manziel. Cam Newton does it and this happens
Well, you would acknowledge, there are quite a few front office people out there, that know what they are doing? The majority of the league falls into that category.So, all those great football minds around the league, passed on Freeman when he was released ? He was lucky to get that 1 year deal with Minny. And they have no interest is keeping him. He will be a free agent in a week or 2, when free agency starts. I really doubt any teams will be using speed dial to get a hold of Erik Burkhart [sp?] before some other team signs Freeman.
Has anyone mentioned that Freeman sucks?
Freeman only sucks when drugs are involved.At least that's what youngone told me.
I don't believe I could care less about Freeman - he isn't on the bucs roster - wish him the best..
Just count me as one of the people happy he didn't go on and win a superbowl after he left.That would've pissed me straight the hell off. Lol
I was never really worried about that - but - I am glad it didn't happen. Good to see both he and Schiano gone so the bucs will have an opportunity we real live NFL types...
I will give this guy [JC5100] credit. He can keep the argument civilized. That is rare on the Red.I totally disagree though. If Freeman was not given enough time here, or he went to Minny and balled at a high level, then those things would bolster his argument. But as we all saw, neither one of those things actually happened. Carry on.
What does time have to do with it? The coaching and defenses were bad all the way through.Here's a perfect example. If the Bucs had been playing the Saints Week 16 to clinch the playoffs and essentially win or lose the NFC South and Freeman threw 181 yards 1 TD 1 INT and the Bucs had 10 first downs there would be 40 threads about how we need to trade for Cousins, or sign Cassel or draft Manziel. Cam Newton does it and this happens
Well, you would acknowledge, there are quite a few front office people out there, that know what they are doing? The majority of the league falls into that category.So, all those great football minds around the league, passed on Freeman when he was released ? He was lucky to get that 1 year deal with Minny. And they have no interest is keeping him. He will be a free agent in a week or 2, when free agency starts. I really doubt any teams will be using speed dial to get a hold of Erik Burkhart [sp?] before some other team signs Freeman.
You guys keep saying this but he had 11 offfers, including confirmed San Francisco 49ers and rumored Green Bay Packers.
As I keep saying, bringing up these old games where he played at least average and lost is not the point. Freeman didn't get benched and then cut for playing respectable and losing like in the old days. He got ditched because his play went from decent-to-sometimes good to completely sucky. If he were still the player that lost that Redskins game, he'd probably still be here.
It's not even about the benching. My point has been he was worth the time and effort to get him cleaned up. If we had made the playoffs in 2010 and 2012 he would have had more support from the fan base and organization and Schiano would not have been able to discard him like that. It was a dumb move by a dumb coach with an agenda.
"You guys keep saying this but he had 11 offfers, including confirmed San Francisco 49ers and rumored Green Bay Packers"You keep saying this, but is there any evidence of it. Were the other nine offers from you?
The defense obviously played better for Glennon.
In the wins they did.
Imagine the coincidence.
Just facts. Miami came in here with a JV line and ran 14 times for 2 yards. Defense actually held a late lead.5 turnovers and held the lead vs Detroit5 turnovers, 7 sacks vs BuffaloAtlanta was a total team effort.
You want facts, JC?In those four wins, the opposing team averaged 18.5 points while the offense averaged 28.5 points.In Freeman's three losses, the opposing team averaged 19 points while the offense averaged 11.33 points.You don't want fact, JC. You want spin.
Atlanta was 1-7 on the road (win was in OT at Buffalo). Buffalo was 2-6 on the road. New England was 8-0 at homeJets were 6-2 at home.Is 14 carries, 2 yards the best run defense performance in team history? It has to be. But it was because a Dolphins lineman quit and another was thrown off the team right before we played. Defense hadn't forced 5 turnovers since 2009. Did it in two of Glennon's wins.
The defense obviously played better for Glennon.
In the wins they did.
In those four wins, the opposing team averaged 18.5 pointsIn Freeman's three losses, the opposing team averaged 19 pointsYou don't want fact, JC. You want spin.
Spin it, JC. Spin it.
4 0:34 1 10 NYJ 20 Geno Smith pass incomplete short middle intended for Kellen Jr. Winslow (defended by Leonard Johnson) 17 15 0.28 -0.27 4.84 0:29 2 10 NYJ 20 Geno Smith pass complete deep middle to Kellen Jr. Winslow for 25 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 17 15 -0.27 1.93 46.44 0:15 1 10 NYJ 45 Geno Smith spiked the ball 17 15 1.93 1.38 26.44 0:15 2 10 NYJ 45 Geno Smith for 10 yards. Penalty on Lavonte David: Personal Foul, 15 yards 17 15 1.38 3.58 93.94 0:15 1 10 TAM 30 Nick Folk 48 yard field goal good 17 184 1:06 1 10 NOR 37 Drew Brees pass complete short middle to Jimmy Graham for 15 yards (tackle by Dashon Goldson) 13 14 1.4 2.39 21.94 0:47 1 10 TAM 48 Drew Brees pass complete short left to Darren Sproles for 8 yards (tackle by Johnthan Banks) 13 14 2.39 2.93 11.04 0:24 2 2 TAM 40 Drew Brees pass complete deep middle to Marques Colston for 31 yards (tackle by Leonard Johnson) 13 14 2.93 5.14 0.04 0:06 1 9 TAM 9 Drew Brees spiked the ball 13 14 5.14 4.38 0.04 0:05 2 9 TAM 9 Garrett Hartley 27 yard field goal good 16 14vs4 3:00 1 10 MIA 5 Ryan Tannehill pass complete short right to Charles Clay for 3 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 19 22 -0.38 -0.56 87.34 2:54 2 7 MIA 8 Ryan Tannehill pass complete short middle to Charles Clay for 14 yards (tackle by Mason Foster and Dashon Goldson) 19 22 -0.56 0.41 79.94 2:23 1 10 MIA 22 Ryan Tannehill pass complete short right to Mike Wallace for 11 yards (tackle by Darrelle Revis) 19 22 0.41 1.14 74.54 2:00 1 10 MIA 33 Ryan Tannehill sacked by William Gholston and Da'Quan Bowers for -8 yards 19 22 1.14 -0.49 91.54 1:54 1 10 MIA 33 Timeout #1 by Miami Dolphins 19 22 0 0 4 1:54 2 18 MIA 25 Ryan Tannehill sacked by Gerald McCoy for -10 yards 19 22 -0.49 -3.13 99.44 1:49 2 18 MIA 25 Timeout #2 by Miami Dolphins 19 22 0 0 4 1:49 3 28 MIA 15 Ryan Tannehill pass incomplete short middle intended for Rishard Matthews (defended by Michael Adams) 19 22 -3.13 -2.44 98.84 1:44 4 28 MIA 15 Ryan Tannehill pass incomplete deep right intended for Mike Wallace is intercepted by Darrelle Revis at TAM-33 19 224 3:49 1 10 DET 40 Matthew Stafford pass incomplete short left intended for Kris Durham 24 21 1.6 1.05 34.44 3:46 2 10 DET 40 Matthew Stafford pass complete short left to Reggie Bush for 9 yards (tackle by Lavonte David) 24 21 1.05 1.55 39.84 3:10 3 1 DET 49 Penalty on Kris Durham: False Start, 4 yards (no play) 24 21 1.55 1.03 31.64 3:05 3 5 DET 45 Matthew Stafford pass complete short middle to Calvin Johnson for 21 yards (tackle by Johnthan Banks) 24 21 1.03 3.31 59.94 2:23 1 10 TAM 34 Joique Bell up the middle for 3 yards (tackle by Mark Barron) 24 21 3.31 3.18 57.84 2:00 2 7 TAM 31 Matthew Stafford pass incomplete deep right intended for Calvin Johnson 24 21 3.18 2.48 46.54 1:53 3 7 TAM 31 Matthew Stafford pass incomplete short left intended for Kris Durham. Penalty on Mark Barron: Defensive Holding, 5 yards (no play) 24 21 2.48 3.84 67.84 1:48 1 10 TAM 26 Reggie Bush up the middle for -2 yards (tackle by Gerald McCoy and Akeem Spence) 24 21 3.84 3.03 55.04 1:06 2 12 TAM 28 Matthew Stafford pass incomplete deep middle intended for Calvin Johnson (defended by Adam Hayward) 24 21 3.03 2.35 39.94 1:00 2 12 TAM 28 Timeout #1 by Detroit Lions 24 21 0 0 4 1:00 3 12 TAM 28 Matthew Stafford pass incomplete intended for Calvin Johnson is intercepted by Johnthan Banks at TAM-3 and returned for 15 yards 24 21Tell me again how the defense didn't play better. Back it up with explaining how we won by 21 points when Glennon went 9/25, 90 yards and 2 picks. I'm sure it had nothing to do with 5 turnovers, 7 sacks, 214 yards allowed.
