Do you know what bias means and why the refs use it?
Doesnt apply to Goldson's penalties. All were illegal by league rules. So a speculation of bias is irrelevant and a poor attempt at excuse making.
To keep that train of thought going...I can't believe the refs called Goldson for headbutting a Dolphins player without a helmet on, after the play was over in the MNF matchup. So unfair how he is being bullied by the league when every other safety headbutts opposing players who arent wearing helmets.
Wasn't a headbutt.
Correction....helmet-to-headbutt.
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag. McCoy also got a bad call the game here in Tampa when he hit Brees right as Brees turned to run. I saw another player make the same hit a few weeks ago with no call.
Kam's hit last night was 100% legal. Which of Goldson unnecessary roughness penalties can one say was 100% legal once the pewter shades have been taken off?
Yep. A few but not all. I think only a few strawmen don't quite understand OP.
So you don't know what it means when someone says a strawman argument then....noted.
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag. McCoy also got a bad call the game here in Tampa when he hit Brees right as Brees turned to run. I saw another player make the same hit a few weeks ago with no call.
Kam's hit last night was 100% legal. Which of Goldson unnecessary roughness penalties can one say was 100% legal once the pewter shades have been taken off?
There was one real BS they called on Goldson. I think it was the cardinal game. I can't remember the exact game.
I know precisely what it means, I was being sarcastic. Just because you don't like my opinion does not make my argument a straw man argument. You know, you say that speculation does not apply to Goldsons penalties but in reality Personal Foul penalties are just that. Pure speculation......... by the referees..... who are biased. Its called a SUBJECTIVE penalty.
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag.
I think you are referring to this one:
Almost identical . Hit is delivered with the shoulder and forearm to the chest area ....helmet is around the neck . Should be legal in my eyes , but if you want to make that a penalty than call it consistently against everyone.Problem is the inconsistency with the calls . I've seen hits like this not be called , and I've seen hits that are even less violent than this that DO get called. I think the game is played too fast for them to really tell and these refs just guess .
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag.
I think you are referring to this one:Almost identical . Hit is delivered with the shoulder and forearm to the chest area ....helmet is around the neck . Should be legal in my eyes , but if you want to make that a penalty than call it consistently against everyone.Problem is the inconsistency with the calls . I've seen hits like this not be called , and I've seen hits that are even less violent than this that DO get called.
Thanks for the side-by-side comparison. That was a pretty cool way to compare.Sadly with the way the league is headed, these types of plays may soon warrant ejections.
I know precisely what it means, I was being sarcastic. Just because you don't like my opinion does not make my argument a straw man argument. You know, you say that speculation does not apply to Goldsons penalties but in reality Personal Foul penalties are just that. Pure speculation......... by the referees..... who are biased. Its called a SUBJECTIVE penalty.
How many times are you going to post and delete this comment?My initial "strawman" post wasn't even directed at you. It was directed at TampaBucks05.I'll break it down for you.He stated..
People think the refs are officiating without bias. LOL.
^that^ is something no one here said.So my response was
While we are creating strawmen....People think Goldson is innocent. LOL.
^that^ was me creating something else that no one else was saying.That point flew straight over your head because you either completely ignored the "strawman" sentence, or that you don't know what a "strawman argument" is. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's the latter, since you thought that the strawman point was directed at you.also, you misrepresented what I said about speculation. I said that it was speculation to say that Goldson would be penalized for a play that he wasn't involved in, nor was even on the field for. I never said anything close to "speculation does not apply to Goldson's penalties. My statement was about the fans POV on what they are seeing, not the perspective and judgement of the refs.
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag.
I think you are referring to this one:
Almost identical from two angles you post.....but if you watch the original broadcast angle, you see that Kam's helmet collides with Thomas' shoulder left should pad. Goldson's impact does involve helmet to helmet contact, even though the initial contact does seem to be right under Cumberland's facemask, then his helmet slides up and makes contact with Cumberland's helmet, which causes his head to snap back. That head snapping action is what draws the penalty when a ref even catches a glimpse of h2h contact. As I have stated all along, if Goldson will get better at looking at what he is hitting instead of lowering or turning his head, he will avoid a lot of these penalties.
Holy shit, this guy is never wrong.
Holy **CENSORED**, this guy is never wrong.
Playing that card huh?Nice surrender.I was actually wrong yesterday...I predicted a Broncos win.
Holy **CENSORED**, this guy is never wrong.
Playing that card huh?Nice surrender.I was actually wrong yesterday...I predicted a Broncos win.
I can vouch for him being wrong
Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag.
I think you are referring to this one:
Almost identical from two angles you post.....but if you watch the original broadcast angle, you see that Kam's helmet collides with Thomas' shoulder left should pad. Goldson's impact does involve helmet to helmet contact, even though the initial contact does seem to be right under Cumberland's facemask, then his helmet slides up and makes contact with Cumberland's helmet, which causes his head to snap back. That head snapping action is what draws the penalty when a ref even catches a glimpse of h2h contact. As I have stated all along, if Goldson will get better at looking at what he is hitting instead of lowering or turning his head, he will avoid a lot of these penalties.
You are starting to sound like one of those drug addicts who has an excuse for everything they do wrong.
Holy **CENSORED**, this guy is never wrong.
Playing that card huh?Nice surrender.I was actually wrong yesterday...I predicted a Broncos win.
I can vouch for him being wrong
lol.*cough* hokies *cough*
