Don't get me wrong, Goldson deserved many of the flags/fines. I was referring to one hit just like the one Chancellor delivered last night. The helmet hit the neck area. I'm not sure which game it was. I just remember saying it was a horrible call as many others hit the same way with no flag.
I think you are referring to this one:
Almost identical . Hit is delivered with the shoulder and forearm to the chest area ....helmet is around the neck . Should be legal in my eyes , but if you want to make that a penalty than call it consistently against everyone.Problem is the inconsistency with the calls . I've seen hits like this not be called , and I've seen hits that are even less violent than this that DO get called. I think the game is played too fast for them to really tell and these refs just guess .
Almost identical from two angles you post.....but if you watch the original broadcast angle, you see that Kam's helmet collides with Thomas' shoulder left should pad. Goldson's impact does involve helmet to helmet contact, even though the initial contact does seem to be right under Cumberland's facemask, then his helmet slides up and makes contact with Cumberland's helmet, which causes his head to snap back. That head snapping action is what draws the penalty when a ref even catches a glimpse of h2h contact. As I have stated all along, if Goldson will get better at looking at what he is hitting instead of lowering or turning his head, he will avoid a lot of these penalties.
You are starting to sound like one of those drug addicts who has an excuse for everything they do wrong.
Yea, if one can't formulate a decent retort to the topic at hand, resorting to deflective personal digs works sometimes....wait, no it doesn't.surrender cont'd.
Cam lowers his head in the GIF and Goldson displays perfect technique. Goldson turned and delivered the blow with his shoulder. One of those hits was done with proper technique and one wasn't. Goldson got flagged for defenseless receiver on that play I believe, not helmet to helmet and his technique was perfect.
There is nothing to 'retort'. You truly believe all of the players in the NFL are judged fairly. What's the point of even attempting an intelligent conversation with you?
Holy **CENSORED**, this guy is never wrong.
Playing that card huh?Nice surrender.I was actually wrong yesterday...I predicted a Broncos win.
I can vouch for him being wrong
lol.*cough* hokies *cough*
LOL
You truly believe all of the players in the NFL are judged fairly.
When did I say that?...I didn't.Long jump must be impressive with the way that you hopped to that conclusion.
Not quite sure what you think you are looking at but Chancellor lowers the crown of the helmet and lauches towards the receivers head area . You said that's a penalty in this league. I don't think either should be a penalty because helmet contact was not actually made , but that is not the argument you've been making . You've said in the past if you lower the crown and go high they are going to call it . Yet you want to call Kam's legal and Dashon's illegal , and you aren't making sense right now....
Anyone looking at those and seeing the same things isn't paying attention at all. Goldson leaves his feet, lowers his head and hits high. Cam does none of those 3 things. Again, Goldson has a long history of this. He didn't get a history because he had a history. He's admitted he's not gonna change what he does so unshockingly if what you did made you the highest flag player in the league continuing to do it will lead to more of the same.
Kam doesn't lower his head and launch high? Are you kidding ? LolAll I can say is get your eyes checked.
No one is making excuses for anyone. The reality of the matter is your history does count. If a call is 50/50 and you're a repeat offender, they're going to call you for it. Period. Does it result in penalties being call on Goldson that wouldn't on other players? Maybe. But either way it's on him. He's the one who has continuously delivered illegal hits. Just a part of his game, which seemingly has more negatives than positives.
Not quite sure what you think you are looking at but Chancellor lowers the crown of the helmet and lauches towards the receivers head area . You said that's a penalty in this league. I don't think either should be a penalty because helmet contact was not actually made , but that is not the argument you've been making . You've said in the past if you lower the crown and go high they are going to call it . Yet you want to call Kam's legal and Dashon's illegal , and you aren't making sense right now....
To the first point. Kam doesn't make helmet to helmet contact. I never said that lowering the crown of the helmet and launching toward a WRs head/neck area should be a penalty. That's misrepresenting what I said and the point I was making about Goldson and how he lowers his head and flies in the way he does. The point I have made all along on this is that Goldson constantly comes in with his head lowered and hardly ever sees what he is hitting. This results in blatant and sometimes violent head shots, which tends to draw the penalty from the refs. My argument on that point is not necessarily about what I believe should be called....it's about what the refs are seeing in real time at full speed and what I believe they would be more inclined to call and what they would be willing to let slide.Helmet contact was made on the Goldson/Cumberland hit, it just wasn't the initial contact. So while we can sit here and replay the gif or watch the replay on rewind, the refs called that without a frame by frame high quality video, but rather at fully speed. So there is no telling what angle the ref saw when he decided to throw the flag. It's very possible that by the time his eyes made it to the point of contact, that Goldsons helmet was making contact with Cumberlands helmet at the same time. Once again on the crown and hitting high thing, I said that if a player continuously flies in and makes those types of hits, then it is more likely to be called. Goldson and Chancellors styles are nothing alike. Goldson is far more reckless and that is why he gets more penalties than any other DB. It isn't because there is a target on his back...unless those who say that want to make the claim that he has been targeted since entering the league.Hell of a pity party we are throwing for Goldson. Who do I give my donation to for the Battered Goldson Fund? This abuse toward him has got to stop....
Both clearly hit high, but neither should be called IMO.Helmets are going to make contact with each other - that's why they're there. The rule was made to prevent spearing, not inadvertent contact of the plastic.The bulk of the force of both hits, albeit high, are focused at the chest/shoulder level.Just chalk it up to another one of Roger's fuck ups.
If anything, you can say that Goldson hit a defenseless receiver, where Thomas caught ball, turned, looked upfield and took about three strides before being hit. Both hits were high but not clearly helmet-to-helmet contact. If you're saying otherwise than it must be from a source other than the one posted. Goldson is no angel. Neither is Chancellor.
To the first point. Kam doesn't make helmet to helmet contact. I never said that lowering the crown of the helmet and launching toward a WRs head/neck area should be a penalty.
I thought you did make the point in another thread that this is what the refs are looking for , and whether or not you make the helmet-to-helmet contact they are going to call it every time.
Anyone looking at those and seeing the same things isn't paying attention at all. Goldson leaves his feet, lowers his head and hits high. Cam does none of those 3 things. Again, Goldson has a long history of this. He didn't get a history because he had a history. He's admitted he's not gonna change what he does so unshockingly if what you did made you the highest flag player in the league continuing to do it will lead to more of the same.
Actually, he does all three of those things.
To the first point. Kam doesn't make helmet to helmet contact. I never said that lowering the crown of the helmet and launching toward a WRs head/neck area should be a penalty.
I thought you did make the point in another thread that this is what the refs are looking for , and whether or not you make the helmet-to-helmet contact they are going to call it every time.
Point was not every time, rather that Goldson's style/technique is more likely to get him penalized. It's a major contributor why he leads the league in personal foul penalties amongst DBs over the past few seasonsI had a #getyadamnheadsup that I posted several times after the first few games that supported this thought that simply lifting his head and seeing what he was hitting would reduce these types of penalties. He continued his style and his PF penalties continued.
