Again, that Palmer throw was just a good play by the DB.
It was accurate and just needed to be 6 inches to the right.
Palmer isn't a big target. You don't wanna lead him too far.
But overall Baker has def missed some opportunities. But by the way some you talk you'd think the Bucs were running wide open all them and getting the ball to the best players.
Canales is part of the problem. Arguably a bigger problem than Baker.
Rarely do we see easy throws that get Baker is rhythm.
Canales is just awkward in his play calling. He doesn't call plays to the strength of the offense... like running dive after dive up the middle
Again, that Palmer throw was just a good play by the DB.
It was accurate and just needed to be 6 inches to the right.
Palmer isn't a big target. You don't wanna lead him too far.
But overall Baker has def missed some opportunities. But by the way some you talk you'd think the Bucs were running wide open all them and getting the ball to the best players.
Canales is part of the problem. Arguably a bigger problem than Baker.
Rarely do we see easy throws that get Baker is rhythm.
Canales is just awkward in his play calling. He doesn't call plays to the strength of the offense... like running dive after dive up the middle
Hate to break the news to you, but the offense IS getting receivers open on a frequent basis. While Canales does run the ball more than I'd like, and occasionally makes a dumb play call, he's getting players in position to make players but the QB is failing to get the ball there. Whether he's not throwing it at all, throwing it late allowing defenders to make a play on it, or just missing on the throw, he's not getting the job done way too often. All you have to do is look at the available all 22, endzone and good TV angles to see this. The flea flicker play that was highlighted is one of MANY plays when someone is wide open and Mayfield doesn't pull the trigger. He only has good stats because he's always throwing short passes. We saw the same thing in the preseason where he was hovering around the 6 yards per reception range, while Trask was around 13. Trask throws more chunk plays because they are open and he sees them.
I think Mayfield has issues with sight lines, versus an ability issue. To put things simply, Mayfield isn't seeing guys coming open and throwing to the right spot with anticipation and this is greatly hindering this offense. Even last Sunday was helped by a ton of penalties on their defense and our offense getting a lot of drive starts around mid-field in the first half. Notice how the offense went nowhere when that stuff wasn't happening in the third quarter? Canales is still learning and probably a little frustrated with Baker not making the throws that are there to make, but he's not the main issue.
Canales is just awkward in his play calling
I see what you mean. I wonder if some of this is new OC learning curve?
but the offense IS getting receivers open on a frequent basis.
Earlier in the season we had the Mayfield tipped interception that should've been a long TD to Evans. I think DH pointed out that Mayfield double clutched
Last game we had the odd flea flicker play, but if Mayfield throws the balls on target to Evans (instead of put of bounds over a TE) people probably laud Canales as a genius
But even beyond those big plays, down to down people are open.
Again, that Palmer throw was just a good play by the DB.
It was accurate and just needed to be 6 inches to the right.
Palmer isn't a big target. You don't wanna lead him too far.
But overall Baker has def missed some opportunities. But by the way some you talk you'd think the Bucs were running wide open all them and getting the ball to the best players.
Canales is part of the problem. Arguably a bigger problem than Baker.
Rarely do we see easy throws that get Baker is rhythm.
Canales is just awkward in his play calling. He doesn't call plays to the strength of the offense... like running dive after dive up the middle
Hate to break the news to you, but the offense IS getting receivers open on a frequent basis. While Canales does run the ball more than I'd like, and occasionally makes a dumb play call, he's getting players in position to make players but the QB is failing to get the ball there. Whether he's not throwing it at all, throwing it late allowing defenders to make a play on it, or just missing on the throw, he's not getting the job done way too often. All you have to do is look at the available all 22, endzone and good TV angles to see this. The flea flicker play that was highlighted is one of MANY plays when someone is wide open and Mayfield doesn't pull the trigger. He only has good stats because he's always throwing short passes. We saw the same thing in the preseason where he was hovering around the 6 yards per reception range, while Trask was around 13. Trask throws more chunk plays because they are open and he sees them.
I think Mayfield has issues with sight lines, versus an ability issue. To put things simply, Mayfield isn't seeing guys coming open and throwing to the right spot with anticipation and this is greatly hindering this offense. Even last Sunday was helped by a ton of penalties on their defense and our offense getting a lot of drive starts around mid-field in the first half. Notice how the offense went nowhere when that stuff wasn't happening in the third quarter? Canales is still learning and probably a little frustrated with Baker not making the throws that are there to make, but he's not the main issue.
I agree 100% with this.
It could also be a confidence thing or trying to hard to be conservative? In the PR video of the flea flicker it sure looks like he is looking at Evans right about when Evans is breaking free. He just doesn't pull the trigger
Again, that Palmer throw was just a good play by the DB.
It was accurate and just needed to be 6 inches to the right.
Palmer isn't a big target. You don't wanna lead him too far.
Like the bitching about a playcall when Mayfield checks the ball down to a RB with a WR open for a first down, this is simply horrible analysis.
Palmer has Pitre by at least a full yard crossing the field. Mayfield throws the ball a yard or two behind where it should be, causing Palmer to slow down/jump and allowing the DB the make-up ground and get the PD. If the ball is out in front of Palmer and closer to the sideline, Palmer probably turns it up the sideline and scored a TD. Mayfield then missed the flea-flicker on the very next play. The drive ended up with a 49-yard FG, instead of a TD.
Here is the play in question: (13:39 - 3rd QRT) B.Mayfield pass incomplete deep right to T.Palmer (J.Pitre).
I would invite others to take a look at the play and give their analysis of Mayfield's ball placement.
Comparing Mayfield with Stroud and it is no contest. Rookie QB looks so much better than Mayfield. Especially on Houston's last, game winning TD drive. Stroud showed amazing accuracy and anticipation. Mayfield can't anticipate when receivers will become open. He only throws to open receivers and far too often those are short passes, short of the first down marker. His accuracy on deep throws is poor.
But none of this is new. Bakers last 3 teams saw the same thing in Baker, which is why they cut him loose.
Comparing Mayfield with Stroud and it is no contest.
agreed, but also maybe a little apple to orange?
Mayfield is a $4m (?) one year rental rehab project so he probably compares to people like Tannehill or Garroppolo or maybe Carr or Geno Smith? He still might not compare favorably to those guys lol, but at least they are more of the vets trying to turn careers around
(I could've joked and said Mayfield is no match against a rookie QB playing or defense)
Definitely agree that Mayfield seems to struggle with anticipating throws
Again, that Palmer throw was just a good play by the DB.
It was accurate and just needed to be 6 inches to the right.
Palmer isn't a big target. You don't wanna lead him too far.
Like the bitching about a playcall when Mayfield checks the ball down to a RB with a WR open for a first down, this is simply horrible analysis.
Palmer has Pitre by at least a full yard crossing the field. Mayfield throws the ball a yard or two behind where it should be, causing Palmer to slow down/jump and allowing the DB the make-up ground and get the PD. If the ball is out in front of Palmer and closer to the sideline, Palmer probably turns it up the sideline and scored a TD. Mayfield then missed the flea-flicker on the very next play. The drive ended up with a 49-yard FG, instead of a TD.
Here is the play in question: (13:39 - 3rd QRT) B.Mayfield pass incomplete deep right to T.Palmer (J.Pitre).
I would invite others to take a look at the play and give their analysis of Mayfield's ball placement.
The problem with you, Biggs... is you always clips quotes. Like every damn time.
You could be right about him slowing down tho... watching it live it just looked like he put it on the wrong shoulder... but if he had to slow down to grab it I would agree with your assessment.
But stop clipping quotes like a twat... Im not defending Baker's accuracy issues. He's middle of the pack at best in accuracy. He doesn't read and process quick enough. Too short so his passes get batted.
I don't think he's the problem tho... he's just not the solution either.
Same can be said of Canales but I'll give him some more time to hopefully figure it out...
The problem with you, Biggs... is you always clips quotes. Like every damn time.
I’m aware you aren’t a fan of addressing specific points with specific answers, especially when those specific answers are addressing your poor analysis. Since that phenomenon is ever increasing, you may want to suck it up and get used to it. It’s a pretty odd thing to bitch about, Karen.
You could be right about him slowing down tho... watching it live it just looked like he put it on the wrong shoulder... but if he had to slow down to grab it I would agree with your assessment.
He did, which is why I said he did. It’s not a crime for you to miss something on the first time around. But you’re allowed to give things a second look before further making an ass of yourself. I would recommend it in the future.
But stop clipping quotes like a twat
As you can see, it doesn’t look like that’s happening, Karen. Just like I’m sure you’ll continue to whine like a little bitch about addressing specific points with specific answers.
But stop clipping quotes like a twat
As you can see, it doesn’t look like that’s happening, Karen. Just like I’m sure you’ll continue to whine like a little bitch about addressing specific points with specific answers.
Just a few days ago . . .
Just saying the team is well coached.
When you're right, you're right. And that Todd Bowles sure does more with less. Not less than the Falcons or Texans, but less. Nice thread, fuckstick.
Now dance.
This was the full quote you BUMPED but only after you clipped it, just as FIRE is pointing out now . . .
The team still has a long way to go, but it is pretty hard to say at this point that the team is NOT well coached.
The Bucs moved on from the GOAT, went relatively young and inexperienced. Bowles likened the Bucs to a college team.
He has them playing hard. They just overcame a bad national television defeat to win in a place that has been very tough, historically. They've won with injuries to starters. The locker room seems to be together, not a ton of penalties. Winning.
Bowles picked Canales, that seems to be working out. They picked Mayfield and that seems to be working out. Defense flying around, creating turnovers. Top ten, I think? Mostly disciplined.
Can all change quickly, but credit where due . . especially because there were some pretty animated critics last year, even when it was pretty obvious he want in total control.
Not saying he is the long term solution. Just saying the team is well coached.
The BOLD shows all the context you left OUT intentionally from an October 4 post
The words "at this point" (it was early October) were even in ITALICS . . . . LITERALLY
And Buggsy, you went back to that early October post above and clipped it out of context like that because one of your "football acumen" posts blew up in your face
This (that the offense had more problems than just Mayfield) is Bowles and Canales point
Coach-speak tends to fool those simpletons with low football acumen.
LMAO . . Buggsy, you're the North Star of WRONGNESS.
and then went on to a failed grammar troll lmao
c'mon man . . .
Here is the play in question: (13:39 - 3rd QRT) B.Mayfield pass incomplete deep right to T.Palmer (J.Pitre).
I would invite others to take a look at the play and give their analysis of Mayfield's ball placement.
The ball placement on this play wasn't ideal, but it wasn't atrocious.
What WAS egregious, was how long it took Baker to diagnose the throw.
Again, like all year, fantastic pass/route concepts. 11P, Play action (iT oNlY wOrKs iF u rUn dEr bAlL gOoD), kind of a duo crosser that essentially acts as a rub downfield.
As Palmer breaks on the cross, Mayfield should've let it rip. Trey had leverage out of the break, but (as you mentioned, slowed just a hair after Baker FINALLY decided to throw it).
This was YET ANOTHER layup touchdown (as the safety had committed to the other side...and wouldn't have caught him).
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Canales has his faults, no doubt. The sequencing and situational play calling have left a lot to be desired. That being said, I wonder how much of that is Bowles in his ear.
But, the passing concepts and philosophies are OUTSTANDING! Light years ahead of our last OC.
A good QB in this system would have 16-18 passing TD's at this point.
An elite QB / Top-5 QB would have 20+ in this system (and well on pace to 5,000+ yards).
Baker has 12 TD's and is on pace for 24 TD's and barely 4,000 yards.
He's simply an average-at-best QB.
