Here is the play in question: (13:39 - 3rd QRT) B.Mayfield pass incomplete deep right to T.Palmer (J.Pitre).
I would invite others to take a look at the play and give their analysis of Mayfield's ball placement.
The ball placement on this play wasn't ideal, but it wasn't atrocious.
What WAS egregious, was how long it took Baker to diagnose the throw.
Again, like all year, fantastic pass/route concepts. 11P, Play action (iT oNlY wOrKs iF u rUn dEr bAlL gOoD), kind of a duo crosser that essentially acts as a rub downfield.
As Palmer breaks on the cross, Mayfield should've let it rip. Trey had leverage out of the break, but (as you mentioned, slowed just a hair after Baker FINALLY decided to throw it).
This was YET ANOTHER layup touchdown (as the safety had committed to the other side...and wouldn't have caught him).
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Canales has his faults, no doubt. The sequencing and situational play calling have left a lot to be desired. That being said, I wonder how much of that is Bowles in his ear.
But, the passing concepts and philosophies are OUTSTANDING! Light years ahead of our last OC.
A good QB in this system would have 16-18 passing TD's at this point.
An elite QB / Top-5 QB would have 20+ in this system (and well on pace to 5,000+ yards).
Baker has 12 TD's and is on pace for 24 TD's and barely 4,000 yards.
He's simply an average-at-best QB.
Agreed. Good/fair assessment
how long it took Baker to diagnose the throw.
This has been a recurring thing. Diagnosing or just releasing.
He's either failing to diagnose quickly or just isn't seeing it due to his height. Or perhaps a bit of both. Whatever the case may be, he's not doing enough, and was a good chunk of the problem in all of our loses but the Texans game, but even there, as I mentioned, he failed to move the ball in the third and keep us ahead, allowing them to come back. Regardless, it's clear and obvious he's not the answer at QB. You have a 2nd round pick that had double the yards per reception of him in the preseason, and you have a loaded QB draft coming up. It's time to bring Trask out there and see if he can be the future or not. Imagine if they don't play him, they draft a QB highly, then, for whatever reason, Trask ends up starting next year and looking like a franchise guy. Nice. Just wasted a first round pick on a crap shoot. We don't need to be in that position. Find out what you do or do not have. I just don't see Trask playing worse than Baker.
But, it won't happen without injury or just total suckage for a couple more games. They hitched their wagon to him and that dude going to take them right off the cliff.
He's either failing to diagnose quickly or just isn't seeing it due to his height. Or perhaps a bit of both. Whatever the case may be, he's not doing enough, and was a good chunk of the problem in all of our loses but the Texans game, but even there, as I mentioned, he failed to move the ball in the third and keep us ahead, allowing them to come back. Regardless, it's clear and obvious he's not the answer at QB. You have a 2nd round pick that had double the yards per reception of him in the preseason, and you have a loaded QB draft coming up. It's time to bring Trask out there and see if he can be the future or not. Imagine if they don't play him, they draft a QB highly, then, for whatever reason, Trask ends up starting next year and looking like a franchise guy. Nice. Just wasted a first round pick on a crap shoot. We don't need to be in that position. Find out what you do or do not have. I just don't see Trask playing worse than Baker.
But, it won't happen without injury or just total suckage for a couple more games. They hitched their wagon to him and that dude going to take them right off the cliff.
I dont think Mayfield is much more than a good one year rental at this point (italics added for future Buggsy quote), but here's Mayfield talking about the texans game
“If you look at it from an overview look, we scored when we needed to (Sunday),” Mayfield said. “But I think the tale of it is not scoring in the third quarter. And then on that (final) drive alone, we overcame some things, but they were self-inflicted, some penalties. Yeah, third and 23 is not where you want to be on a critical drive in the fourth quarter when you need to score a touchdown."
The "self-inflicted" things were a run for -8 and a false start.
Mayfield is doing okay with the overall offense still having growing pains. He's not great, but they are not going with Trask unless/until they are out of it or Mayfield really blows a game up (he might). The coaches would want Trask in if he was, in their view, a better option.
Trask won't fix anything but at some point we need to see what we have in him if we aren't playoff bound
Well, Mayfield played well enough that, with the defense playing lights out today, we were able to win. He still overthrew a number of guys today. On his 3rd down run that he got a first down, Godwin broke open free in front, but eventually ran into the middle LB's zone, but Mayfield missed. Then there was the pick, which was a bad throw. He also failed to let it rip on a number of plays and got another pass batted down. But he did take some shots today, which was good, connecting on a couple. He plays between poor and average. Just enough to win games when the defense is having a solid game, but not enough, on most days, to win a game when they're not; i.e. he can't really carry a team. It's great seeing him hit Evans and Godwin today, which helped us a lot, and I hope it continues as he'll need to do so to keep us in the hunt. I suspect, however, that San Fran will make him look really poor next week. We'll see. I'll still root to win regardless, just don't think he's the long-term answer.
Great win today. About all we can ask.
Trask won't fix anything but at some point we need to see what we have in him if we aren't playoff bound
the thing is given our division we will be in the hunt at least the rest of this month
thought with a loss today, we may not win another game but team showed some heart today
with his nfl head coaching career on life support and baker playing decent , Bowles won’t go anywhere near trask
Our ceiling with mayfield is a first round playoff exit. Not where we want to be at all but likely the best one could expect in year 1 after Brady
trask May see 2-3 starts this year depending on if wheels fall off. It will be enough to show everyone he isn’t the guy, but you will still have some friends clamoring for him next year until they draft a guy
Mayfield played well enough the last 2 games that we should have won. Simple as that...
We're in limbo... but also half a game out so... I'll always root for playoffs even if it means we have to stink it up with Bowles
Mayfield played well enough the last 2 games that we should have won. Simple as that...
This
Mayfield is a cheap reclamation project veteran, not a world beater. He definitely has accuracy issues, but he is NOT the problem, as suggested on the boards previously
PR just posted an article about how the Bucs shouldve had more than 20 points. This is the short version:
First drive -- Bucs in at least field goal range but . . ." right guard Cody Mauch and center Robert Hainsey both lost quickly on their initial blocks on a play action pass that forced Mayfield into a sack for a loss of seven yards." (next play was forced INT)
Final drive of first half - "Tampa Bay had the ball on the Tennessee 41-yard line. Facing third-and-5, Mayfield was able to find Mike Evans over the middle late in his read progression with a very well-thrown ball right into Evans’ breadbasket. But Evans dropped the ball." (FG or TD lost and at a point that is critical to momentum because we get the ball to start half)
Opening drive of 2nd half - Mayfield underthrows Evans, but then "On second-and-goal Evans was able to find a soft spot in the end zone and Mayfield was able to target him with a good throw. But Evans would drop yet another pass that cost the Bucs a touchdown." (settled for a field goal)
THE ARTICLE ENDS WITH THIS CRITICAL TRUTH:
"the offense will always have a ceiling as long as the run game continues to be one of the worst in the NFL, and Mayfield’s ceiling over any extended sample size is that of a Top 12 quarterback.
The real question is do any of us, and more importantly the Bucs, want to settle for a QB whose ceiling, not average play, is 12th in the league? It's hard to carry a QB into and win a Super Bowl. You really have to have a lights out defense, and it needs to play that way through the playoffs without letting up. We went that route with Johnson, but back in a day when the running game had more importance than it does today. It's harder to win that way now then 20 years ago. You really need a QB that can light it up to be able to make it through the playoffs. Mayfield really peaked with that Browns team that managed to make it to the Championship game, but lost to the Chiefs. My kingdom for a franchise QB that can put fear into defenses, and drag us over the hump.
It's a Buc's life.
He definitely has accuracy issues, but he is NOT the problem, as suggested on the boards previously
Lol. Smh.
He's very much been part of the problem with this offense.
The biggest problem? No.
Part of the problem? Absolutely.
Mayfield is exactly what he has been throughout his career. I am more concerned how inconsistent the defense has been but I will chalk it up to how Bowles tends to have brain farts when it comes to defensive play calling at times.
Mayfield is exactly what he has been throughout his career.
A little better maybe?
"Consider the numbers Lawrence is putting up and the numbers that Mayfield has racked up this season.
Trevor Lawrence
Passing yards: 2,120
Passing TDs/INTs: 9/6
Baker Mayfield
Passing yards: 2,143
Passing TDs/INTs: 14/5
Dang! Mayfield is having a better season than Lawrence.
Mayfield is clearly on pace for his best season for passing yards in his career, and for his best for TD-INT ratio since he led the Browns to the playoffs in 2020."
Either way, I don't know if its that he's following Brady or that people got hyped after early success, but he actually doing very well if you consider a new offense and he's basically a reclamation project. I doubt most fans expected him to do this well at the beginning of the season
Trevor Lawrence had 3 turnovers (?) against the 49ers and the Jags were absolutely blown out.
Baker isn't the long term solution. I think we all feel that way. He's played decent... especially the last 2 games.
I don't view him as the problem. I view him as the ceiling.
The PROBLEM is the interior line, poor TE, poor RB play, drops, Godwin ignored in the offense, erratic and stubborn play calling, struggling secondary playing zone too much, and a lack of edge pass rushers.
Baker is good enough to lead us to the playoffs, but not good enough to win it all.
