Some really interesting banter going on right now (in the Twittersphere) about the Lamar situation.
Lots of teams coming out publicly that they have no interest, and as it seems, all at the same time.
Some players claiming "ownership collusion", possibly due to them still being pissed at the Haslam over the DW deal.
All these teams can independently come to the same conclusion. At Lamar's salary demands and the asking price of 2 first round picks, it is not in the best interests of other teams to sign Lamar.
If guys like Daniel jones are getting $40M, what’s Lamar worth - $60M? And he’s injury prone. That’s why they didn’t sign him to long term
still can’t believe giants didn’t just franchise tag Jones. He’s been mediocre his entire career
All these teams can independently come to the same conclusion. At Lamar's salary demands and the asking price of 2 first round picks, it is not in the best interests of other teams to sign Lamar.
Oh, I'm not saying I agree with the "conspiracy theory" route.
Just pointing out the hot topic.
Lots of reasons to not be interested in him.
He turned down 6 years, $250M. He doesn't have an agent. It's pretty tragic to watch and these mindless idiots on twitter are saying it's a conspiracy.
The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchise QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if its going to expand?
The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchises QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if it's going to expand?
I have no problem with the system. The NFL owners are making all the real money. This is just about how to utilize salary cap space. If the Giants and Saints want to mortgage their cap space on a middle of the road QB then let them. We'll see how that works out. The Saints actually worked in a lot of ability to get out of the deal if they need to, so if you look at that contract it has flexibility for the team if Carr washes out. The Cowboys paid big money for Dak, and that isn't paying off. Nobody is forcing these teams to pay the money. I don't know. I just don't have a problem with the NFL system. The Bucs are going to have to shell out a big chunk of their cap space for a tackle. That may preclude them ever going for the high dollar QB.
The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchises QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if it's going to expand?
I have no problem with the system. The NFL owners are making all the real money. This is just about how to utilize salary cap space. If the Giants and Saints want to mortgage their cap space on a middle of the road QB then let them. We'll see how that works out. The Saints actually worked in a lot of ability to get out of the deal if they need to, so if you look at that contract it has flexibility for the team if Carr washes out. The Cowboys paid big money for Dak, and that isn't paying off. Nobody is forcing these teams to pay the money. I don't know. I just don't have a problem with the NFL system. The Bucs are going to have to shell out a big chunk of their cap space for a tackle. That may preclude them ever going for the high dollar QB.
Wirfs making $20M won't be the problem. Licht pouring money into average/below average players at non-important positions will be the problem. He's been doing it since 2014.
QB, OT's and pass rushers should be where the money is. I know these numbers will change in the next couple days, but as of right now the Bucs have $60M tied up in 3 WRs and no QB and no LT.
Barrett was a gamble that Licht lost.
He turned down 6 years, $250M. He doesn't have an agent.
He’s also proven to have an injury issue.
And, the thing that’s really not being talked about; is how a team would have to revamp their offensive scheme around him.
IMO, the ROI is simply not appealing.
The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchises QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if it's going to expand?
I have no problem with the system. The NFL owners are making all the real money. This is just about how to utilize salary cap space. If the Giants and Saints want to mortgage their cap space on a middle of the road QB then let them. We'll see how that works out. The Saints actually worked in a lot of ability to get out of the deal if they need to, so if you look at that contract it has flexibility for the team if Carr washes out. The Cowboys paid big money for Dak, and that isn't paying off. Nobody is forcing these teams to pay the money. I don't know. I just don't have a problem with the NFL system. The Bucs are going to have to shell out a big chunk of their cap space for a tackle. That may preclude them ever going for the high dollar QB.
The general perception of knowledgeable football fans here is that if we lost Brady we should tank. That's probably right, but also not a sustainable model
IF the ultimate success in the sport depends on having one of maybe 10 QBs then how do you actually expand (ie dilute the talent pool) without ultimately making it a "have versus have not" league which is the thing the salary cap has heled prevent?
Curious to see how it evolves because it has to
Pencil Wirfs for $27 mil per year IMO. I think PR's article putting it at $22.5 is a bit low, especially now that Wirfs is potentially moving to LT. Top OTs like Trent Williams and Baktiari signed for about $23 mil per year and that was a couple years ago. With just plain inflation that puts it up to about $25 mil. And then you add that the total cap amount is going up and Wirfs will be getting paid as the best tackle in the game. The Bucs aren't often in the news for breaking new ground for paying players higher than anyone else, but they'll make page one this time when the Wirfs contract comes out. Wirfs is going to break the bank, and that's what you have to do with a great player these days.The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchises QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if it's going to expand?
I have no problem with the system. The NFL owners are making all the real money. This is just about how to utilize salary cap space. If the Giants and Saints want to mortgage their cap space on a middle of the road QB then let them. We'll see how that works out. The Saints actually worked in a lot of ability to get out of the deal if they need to, so if you look at that contract it has flexibility for the team if Carr washes out. The Cowboys paid big money for Dak, and that isn't paying off. Nobody is forcing these teams to pay the money. I don't know. I just don't have a problem with the NFL system. The Bucs are going to have to shell out a big chunk of their cap space for a tackle. That may preclude them ever going for the high dollar QB.
Wirfs making $20M won't be the problem. Licht pouring money into average/below average players at non-important positions will be the problem. He's been doing it since 2014.
QB, OT's and pass rushers should be where the money is. I know these numbers will change in the next couple days, but as of right now the Bucs have $60M tied up in 3 WRs and no QB and no LT.
Barrett was a gamble that Licht lost.
Pencil Wirfs for $27 mil per year IMO. I think PR's article putting it at $22.5 is a bit low, especially now that Wirfs is potentially moving to LT. Top OTs like Trent Williams and Baktiari signed for about $23 mil per year and that was a couple years ago. With just plain inflation that puts it up to about $25 mil. And then you add that the total cap amount is going up and Wirfs will be getting paid as the best tackle in the game. The Bucs aren't often in the news for breaking new ground for paying players higher than anyone else, but they'll make page one this time when the Wirfs contract comes out. Wirfs is going to break the bank, and that's what you have to do with a great player these days.The NFL has built an unsustainable business model, particularly with grand plans for expansion. The current rules make a "franchise QB" essential and really a FIRST CONTRACT quarterback because the 2nd contract compromises the team. If you have to then add FULLY GUARANTEED contract the system breaks down. This is the kernel of truth in the conspiracy theory. All teams should be "independently" aligned against Jackson.
will be interesting to see how the NFL adapts because the NFL has already created a non-competitive incentive (tank for 1st round pick to get that QB) and there are only a very limited number of true franchises QBs, so how does the NFL maintain the standard of play ESPECIALLY if it's going to expand?
I have no problem with the system. The NFL owners are making all the real money. This is just about how to utilize salary cap space. If the Giants and Saints want to mortgage their cap space on a middle of the road QB then let them. We'll see how that works out. The Saints actually worked in a lot of ability to get out of the deal if they need to, so if you look at that contract it has flexibility for the team if Carr washes out. The Cowboys paid big money for Dak, and that isn't paying off. Nobody is forcing these teams to pay the money. I don't know. I just don't have a problem with the NFL system. The Bucs are going to have to shell out a big chunk of their cap space for a tackle. That may preclude them ever going for the high dollar QB.
Wirfs making $20M won't be the problem. Licht pouring money into average/below average players at non-important positions will be the problem. He's been doing it since 2014.
QB, OT's and pass rushers should be where the money is. I know these numbers will change in the next couple days, but as of right now the Bucs have $60M tied up in 3 WRs and no QB and no LT.
Barrett was a gamble that Licht lost.
Ok fine $25M. Right now Gage and Jensen are on the books for $27.2M. Priorities.
Wish we could afford him!
or any qb not named trask tbh.
id give up 2 firsts for Lamar in a heartbeat.
cap unfortunately makes this moot.
id give up 2 firsts for Lamar in a heartbeat.
Might as well give up Evans and Godwin at that point. Or any receiver worth a damn.
Thank goodness you aren't the GM.
