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There’s always an early run on tackles but Harrison is rated around 25-30 on most big boards.  

 
Posted : Apr. 5, 2023 5:59 pm
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There’s always an early run on tackles but Harrison is rated around 25-30 on most big boards.  

You mean big boards like this?

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-big-board-top-250-players-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

 

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2023 8:31 am
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Trading up sounds good if you don't actually get specific about what you are giving up.   They don't have a 4th round pick.  Trading up one spot might cost them a 5th round pick or something but going up more than that will cost them a Day 2 pick.  They really can't afford to give up their Day 2 picks IMO. They have no 4th round pick right now.  Trading up one or two spots could be affordable, but the Lions and the Steelers have a lot of the same draft needs as the Bucs.  Are they going to want a 5th round pick to allow the Bucs to take their guy?  I don't think so.  

It's more likely they could trade down two or three spots to pick up a 4th rounder.  Ultimately, though, I don't think they move off of their 1st round spot.  IMO there will be two or three OTs or TEs they will be happy to get and will not feel the need to move. 

 
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There’s always an early run on tackles but Harrison is rated around 25-30 on most big boards.  

You mean big boards like this?

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-big-board-top-250-players-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

 

yeah, like that.  Most every service puts one out.  

 

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2023 11:41 am
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There’s always an early run on tackles but Harrison is rated around 25-30 on most big boards.  

You mean big boards like this?

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-big-board-top-250-players-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

 

yeah, like that.  Most every service puts one out.  

 

He's salty because a certain "blue-chipper" is noticeably absent from the top 25.  In fairness to that list, it's because that blue-chipper was never actually was a blue-chipper.  That "blue chipper" was a third round prospect.

 

 
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There’s always an early run on tackles but Harrison is rated around 25-30 on most big boards.  

You mean big boards like this?

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-big-board-top-250-players-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

 

yeah, like that.  Most every service puts one out.  

 

He's salty because a certain "blue-chipper" is noticeably absent from the top 25.  In fairness to that list, it's because that blue-chipper was never actually was a blue-chipper.  That "blue chipper" was a third round prospect.

 

Yea they really nailed this. And at one point during the season Brown was ranked as the 4th best player. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-kolton-miller-has-a-well-rounded-franchise-left-tackle-skill-set/

 

 

 
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Well, PFF didn't "nail it", but they weren't too far off from who the teams actually took.  

 
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Trading up sounds good if you don't actually get specific about what you are giving up.   They don't have a 4th round pick.  Trading up one spot might cost them a 5th round pick or something but going up more than that will cost them a Day 2 pick.  They really can't afford to give up their Day 2 picks IMO. They have no 4th round pick right now.  Trading up one or two spots could be affordable, but the Lions and the Steelers have a lot of the same draft needs as the Bucs.  Are they going to want a 5th round pick to allow the Bucs to take their guy?  I don't think so.  

It's more likely they could trade down two or three spots to pick up a 4th rounder.  Ultimately, though, I don't think they move off of their 1st round spot.  IMO there will be two or three OTs or TEs they will be happy to get and will not feel the need to move. 

Bro you're talking about Day 2 picks and I'm talking about the 3rd most important player in the team behind the QB and Wirfs. 

 

 
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Trading up sounds good if you don't actually get specific about what you are giving up.   They don't have a 4th round pick.  Trading up one spot might cost them a 5th round pick or something but going up more than that will cost them a Day 2 pick.  They really can't afford to give up their Day 2 picks IMO. They have no 4th round pick right now.  Trading up one or two spots could be affordable, but the Lions and the Steelers have a lot of the same draft needs as the Bucs.  Are they going to want a 5th round pick to allow the Bucs to take their guy?  I don't think so.  

It's more likely they could trade down two or three spots to pick up a 4th rounder.  Ultimately, though, I don't think they move off of their 1st round spot.  IMO there will be two or three OTs or TEs they will be happy to get and will not feel the need to move. 

Bro you're talking about Day 2 picks and I'm talking about the 3rd most important player in the team behind the QB and Wirfs. 

 

Day 2 picks are important.  Winfield, Davis, R. White, Dean, Godwin, David were some.  I don't know who you think is the third most important player on the team right now, but I'm guessing you'd put a couple of those guys in the top five.   

The Bucs have had at least two picks in Rounds 2 and 3 every year since 2012, when they had two #1s  and a 2 that year but no 3. What kind of move up are you thinking about?  

 

 
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No GM is great.  GMs appear great when they acquire multiple early round picks.  Problem is it’s hard to accept trading down. If the Bucs don’t love a lineman in the first I’d trade down.  

 
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Trading up sounds good if you don't actually get specific about what you are giving up.   They don't have a 4th round pick.  Trading up one spot might cost them a 5th round pick or something but going up more than that will cost them a Day 2 pick.  They really can't afford to give up their Day 2 picks IMO. They have no 4th round pick right now.  Trading up one or two spots could be affordable, but the Lions and the Steelers have a lot of the same draft needs as the Bucs.  Are they going to want a 5th round pick to allow the Bucs to take their guy?  I don't think so.  

It's more likely they could trade down two or three spots to pick up a 4th rounder.  Ultimately, though, I don't think they move off of their 1st round spot.  IMO there will be two or three OTs or TEs they will be happy to get and will not feel the need to move. 

Bro you're talking about Day 2 picks and I'm talking about the 3rd most important player in the team behind the QB and Wirfs. 

 

Day 2 picks are important.  Winfield, Davis, R. White, Dean, Godwin, David were some.  I don't know who you think is the third most important player on the team right now, but I'm guessing you'd put a couple of those guys in the top five.   

The Bucs have had at least two picks in Rounds 2 and 3 every year since 2012, when they had two #1s  and a 2 that year but no 3. What kind of move up are you thinking about?  

 

QB, OT, OT. That's where the league is right now. We got one OT, this is the year to get the other one and then the QB in 2024. Minimum I want to get to #15 to take Harrison.  

 

 

 
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Trading up sounds good if you don't actually get specific about what you are giving up.   They don't have a 4th round pick.  Trading up one spot might cost them a 5th round pick or something but going up more than that will cost them a Day 2 pick.  They really can't afford to give up their Day 2 picks IMO. They have no 4th round pick right now.  Trading up one or two spots could be affordable, but the Lions and the Steelers have a lot of the same draft needs as the Bucs.  Are they going to want a 5th round pick to allow the Bucs to take their guy?  I don't think so.  

It's more likely they could trade down two or three spots to pick up a 4th rounder.  Ultimately, though, I don't think they move off of their 1st round spot.  IMO there will be two or three OTs or TEs they will be happy to get and will not feel the need to move. 

Bro you're talking about Day 2 picks and I'm talking about the 3rd most important player in the team behind the QB and Wirfs. 

 

Day 2 picks are important.  Winfield, Davis, R. White, Dean, Godwin, David were some.  I don't know who you think is the third most important player on the team right now, but I'm guessing you'd put a couple of those guys in the top five.   

The Bucs have had at least two picks in Rounds 2 and 3 every year since 2012, when they had two #1s  and a 2 that year but no 3. What kind of move up are you thinking about?  

 

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QB, OT, OT. That's where the league is right now. We got one OT, this is the year to get the other one and then the QB in 2024. Minimum I want to get to #15 to take Harrison.  

 

 

According to the trade value chart we could give up our 3rd to move up those four spots from 19 to 15.  It's possible that the Bucs will have their eye on a player who starts sliding down to 15, but I think the Bucs won't have a laser focus on a player like that.  I could be wrong.  I wouldn't be in favor of it.  But we'll find out.  

 

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2023 8:44 pm
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A third is a pretty steep price.  We have a lot of holes to fill

 
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And at one point during the season Brown was ranked as the 4th best player. 

And then he wasn't.  And then, the combine happened and he fell even farther.

The "blue-chipper" went in R3. You can rationalize it with prospect ranking from the previous December, but the draft happened. Reality is reality, your perception be damned.

 
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And at one point during the season Brown was ranked as the 4th best player. 

And then he wasn't.  And then, the combine happened and he fell even farther.

The "blue-chipper" went in R3. You can rationalize it with prospect ranking from the previous December, but the draft happened. Reality is reality, your perception be damned.

And then in the Super Bowl the team with the 3rd most sacks in league history had 0. Take your loss and move on. Brown is a stud, Nelson is a JAG 

 

 
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