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Posted by: @white-tiger

I disagree with the concept of “offensive struggles” last year.

Which one do you disagree with?

vs Lions up 4 in the 4th, 27 yards on 3 drives. 

vs Falcons, up 3. Fumble. 

vs Falcons up 3, in FG range, -14 yards. 

vs 49ers up 4, 3 and out. 

vs 49ers, down 3. 3 and out. (botched snap, this game was really a clone of the Washington game)

vs 49ers, down 3, 1st and goal, FG. 

vs Panthers, up 1, 2nd and 4 at the 5. FG

vs Cowboys, down 2. Fumble

vs Commanders, up 4, fumble. 

vs Commanders, down 3, 2nd and 1 at the WAS 12. FG

 

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:02 am
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Tucker got garbage time carries with backup linemen vs the Chargers, 7 carries for 17 yards

You're so close to getting it... So close. 

And he always fails to mention the backups for Chargers that were playing. Funny how that works.

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:23 am
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Posted by: @white-tiger

I disagree with the concept of “offensive struggles” last year.

Which one do you disagree with?

vs Lions up 4 in the 4th, 27 yards on 3 drives. 

vs Falcons, up 3. Fumble. 

vs Falcons up 3, in FG range, -14 yards. 

vs 49ers up 4, 3 and out. 

vs 49ers, down 3. 3 and out. (botched snap, this game was really a clone of the Washington game)

vs 49ers, down 3, 1st and goal, FG. 

vs Panthers, up 1, 2nd and 4 at the 5. FG

vs Cowboys, down 2. Fumble

vs Commanders, up 4, fumble. 

vs Commanders, down 3, 2nd and 1 at the WAS 12. FG

 

 

Falcons games were defensive we scored enough points to win.

49ers - we rushed for 110 yards - but who were our receivers for that game? Baker fumbled 3 times, didn’t lose any, but drives were stalled. Offense was stymied, 116 yards passing. Again, who were our receivers?

Cowboys - rushed for 134 yards, Baker passed for 300 yards - White fumbled. No sacks, 1 TFL. Defense struggled.

Commanders - Mayfield/JMac miscue stymied a nice defensive stand - but the defense struggled as Jayden Daniels heated up. Defense was spotty.

Strengthening the defense to help it close out games is the clear addition. In your examples, it was mostly opposing defenses being able to take advantage of missing offensive talent.

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:37 am
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Yards per carry in 4th qtr of a 1 score game. Tucker- 12.5, White- 2.1. 

Now do 1st quarter ypc for all 3 backs.

While you’re at it, do their fumble rate per carry for the season. 

Rachaad White's ineffectiveness running the ball in the 4th qtr was the biggest single factor the offense's struggles. And then holding the ball out with one hand and eventually fumbling it vs Dallas. 

 

"Offense's struggles"? for the 3rd ranked offense in the league?

Total Offense

# Team Offense Yards Avg. Playoff Avg. Offense TD Playoff TD
1 Ravens 424.9 440.0 65 7
2 Lions 409.5 521.0 70 4
3 Buccaneers 399.5 284.0 59 2

 

Yes, offensive struggles. They don't close out games. I already outlined and I'm not doing it again. Lions game, Falcons game, 49ers game, Cowboys game,  Commanders game. 

 

Those game might have a combined 5 forced punts. 

Lions game - all stops came in the red zone 

Falcons games - maybe 1 or 2 forced punts total

Cowboys game vs a backup QB - maybe 2 forced punts 

49ers game - stops came from 3 missed fgs 

Commanders game - no forced punts

I mean shit, how many turnovers did we force? Maybe 2 in those 6 games mentioned? Maybe 3...

The offense is remarkable considering how little the defense gave them.

 

I don’t know how anyone could argue with this assessment of these specific games - is just more proof that JC’s insistence on ignoring the obvious, in order to divine some “offensive struggles” - is not atypical for his brand.

Most of the games identified were easy for our opposition to scheme a response to Buccaneer injuries.

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:48 am
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Posted by: @white-tiger

I disagree with the concept of “offensive struggles” last year.

Which one do you disagree with?

vs Lions up 4 in the 4th, 27 yards on 3 drives. 

vs Falcons, up 3. Fumble. 

vs Falcons up 3, in FG range, -14 yards. 

vs 49ers up 4, 3 and out. 

vs 49ers, down 3. 3 and out. (botched snap, this game was really a clone of the Washington game)

vs 49ers, down 3, 1st and goal, FG. 

vs Panthers, up 1, 2nd and 4 at the 5. FG

vs Cowboys, down 2. Fumble

vs Commanders, up 4, fumble. 

vs Commanders, down 3, 2nd and 1 at the WAS 12. FG

 

 

Falcons games were defensive we scored enough points to win.

49ers - we rushed for 110 yards - but who were our receivers for that game? Baker fumbled 3 times, didn’t lose any, but drives were stalled. Offense was stymied, 116 yards passing. Again, who were our receivers?

Cowboys - rushed for 134 yards, Baker passed for 300 yards - White fumbled. No sacks, 1 TFL. Defense struggled.

Commanders - Mayfield/JMac miscue stymied a nice defensive stand - but the defense struggled as Jayden Daniels heated up. Defense was spotty.

Strengthening the defense to help it close out games is the clear addition. In your examples, it was mostly opposing defenses being able to take advantage of missing offensive talent.

 

You're using total stats to excuse the offense pissing games away. 

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:53 am
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Licht had the chance to fix the two problems with the offense by letting Bredeson walk and drafting a guard and banishing White to Duvallllllll. 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 10:55 am
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Funny how that works.

Its actually the other way around. Thats what makes it funny.

JC has all of you on a string with an argument that defies common sense and actual human experience

He has you all on a string because of a common thread in all of you, right?

What is the one belief shared by all of you? 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:26 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

Licht had the chance to fix the two problems with the offense by letting Bredeson walk and drafting a guard and banishing White to Duvallllllll. 

as opposed to the 6 problems with the defense?

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:28 am
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Licht had the chance to fix the two problems with the offense by letting Bredeson walk and drafting a guard and banishing White to Duvallllllll. 

as opposed to the 6 problems with the defense?

 

Problems on D are Edge, CB, ILB. 

In addition to Reddick, I would have signed Chaisson and or Olujari. For CB, Asante Samuel will be expensive but it's because he's good. 

ILB there are still cheap options out there. 

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:39 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

Problems on D are Edge, CB, ILB

So the point is that you keep undercutting yourself, even when you try to close the gap by going to positions. 

Your latest argument is offense paid too much for G and you dont like our RB2 versus defense needs Edge, CB, ILB . . .  never mind S or the numbers we need 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:46 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

Problems on D are Edge, CB, ILB

So the point is that you keep undercutting yourself, even when you try to close the gap by going to positions. 

Your latest argument is offense paid too much for G and you dont like our RB2 versus defense needs Edge, CB, ILB . . .  never mind S or the numbers we need 

I'm assuming Smith is the safety. Either way we need a starting DB (either safety or nickel CB). I don't think we need a new starting CB AND new starting safety. 

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:55 am
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Hive mentality has convinced you all that it's okay for the offense to fumble, botch snaps, kick FGs inside the 5, have a -14 yard drive that started in FG range because they overall finished 3rd. 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 11:58 am
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convinced you all that it's okay for the offense to fumble, botch snaps, kick FGs inside the 5, have a -14 yard drive that started in FG range because they overall finished 3rd. 

This ^^^ a Biggs-level bad piece of bait. 

 

JC the Troll is so easily depleted

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 12:05 pm
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Interesting tidbit on the LB

 

"Walker confessed he is a competitor by nature — with video of him beating his good friend Lavonte David in a race."

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 12:54 pm
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Hive mentality has convinced you all that it's okay for the offense to fumble, botch snaps, kick FGs inside the 5, have a -14 yard drive that started in FG range because they overall finished 3rd. 

Here's what you don't get. Nobody is excusing the mistakes you outlined. I was right there LIVE yelling my frustration. I've been critical of Coen largely because my expectations are higher.

When Bowles shits the bed late in game....and that's at literally a 95% clip I turn into the Comedian in Watchmen. It's all a joke...

If you grade Coen's late game offense vs his total body of work I agree it is worse. If you take into account context (like missing players, or playing with a lead, or his lack of experience) then you understand why people defend his robust offense and can excuse the issues down the stretch (which you've extended well into the early third for some asinine reason).

Bowles on the other hand has been here MANY TIMES. He hasn't adjusted in 4 years. It all went downhill during and after our playoff loss to the Rams. 

Teams know what to expect late in games from him. That's why, outside of the Lions game, he has CONSISTENTLY given up game tying and winning drives.

You can a FG a failure for Coen. Bowles has a completely different set of standards for you; especially late game.

The simple truth is you don't have any facts on your side. You have a few examples of Coen NOT SCORING A GAME CLINCHING TD and a few other examples of players not executing up against Bowles with the consistency of my morning shits, allowing easy scores on soft coverage. 

 

 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2025 9:56 pm
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