Get you off the goose egg
Let’s compare Hard Rock accounts, shall we?
You ignoring how bad the offense was late in multiple games and wanting to blame everything on the defense is a derealization of what actually happened.
If you had even a shred of self-awareness, you'd know that Fire was open critical of Coen multiple times late in the season. Did so in multiple gameday threads.
You were probably too busy to notice, with your estrogen-fueled meltdowns all year with anything and everything regarding Coen.
And, again, it's ironic because not once did you ever criticize the low-IQ head coach.
But, good to see you still taking veiled shots at Licht.
You know, the guy with a SB ring. Not the dipshit who CLAIMED to be an NFL GM posting on a sports message board.
Not knowing what someone else posts in gameday threads has nothing to do with self awareness, genius.
Meltdown is the perfect way to describe Duval's offense late vs Lions, at Falcons , 49ers, first OT drive vs Carolina, middle of the Raiders game until Sean Tucker popped a run (6 drives, 3 turnovers, no points), Cowboys and Commanders.
I critcized Bowles for leaving starters in too late, playing Evans at all vs Ravens, not going for 2 vs Chiefs.
Pointing out Licht's 1st and 2nd round edge rushers combined for 2.5 sacks isn't a veiled shot.
You don't get to claim to know how I criticize Coen vs Bowles and then ignore how critical I've been of Coen. I'm very critical of him but the reality is he was a borderline elite play caller this year and made some "first year" play calling mistakes. Plenty to be critical of especially late in games but as I said... I think Bowles is asking him to be conservative late in games and certainly it's on Bowles not going for 2 or on 4th downs. That's not Coen.
Can we nitpick his play calling like the sweep that fumbled or the Baker QB sneak or whatever? Sure.
But all season Coen's worst moments were better than Bowles best.
Did he have more to work with? Sure. Did both sides of the ball have injuries? Yes.
Did we face a tough schedule early? Yes. Did we have a cupcake schedule late? Also yes.
Did Bowles defnese play better down the stretch against bad offenses? Yes. Did Coen's offense leave some points on the table against bad defenses? Yes.
Has Licht prioritized the offense in FA and the draft over the defense? Yes-ish. Has Licht hit on players on offense and whiffed on players on defense? Yes.
Has Licht been a joke at drafted edge rushers? Yes. Is Licht the best GM we've ever had? Also yes. Was Licht afforded a longer than usual runway? Yes. Did he bring hope a championship and usher in a new era of winning culture and football? Also yes.
I've been one of Licht's biggest critics. It's well documented. But I've also changed my tune and given him credit... That he deserves.
He's doing a good job with a Brady debt that has to be paid off.
Does Bowles get some credit for winning the division 3 straight years? Of course... Where we differ tho is on who takes the blame/credit when and where.
And if I think about last season I can think of 10 or 15 instances where Bowles was a net negative and we either lost because of him or won in spite of him.
Coen had a few of the same but those are less than 5...
And lastly the offense bailed out the defense far more than the defense bailed out the offense. Sans Baker high turnovers the offense controlled the ball, and gave the defense points to work with in every single game but the Denver game.
The Defense conversely only had one dominant showing at it was vs the lowly Giants.
Even when the defense wasn't allowing a ton of points it was still allowing a ton of yards, playing soft Defense and not getting off the field, forcing very few punts, and forcing almost no turnovers.
And that's largely the scheme be too predictable combined with (imo) Bowles not getting the best of of the unit by constantly having players play out of position or not to their strength.
And that's why I wanted Bowles gone. He's too old school and rigid. He hasn't embraced the modern meta of the NFL and it left me feeling like we wasted one of the best offensive seasons in our team's history.
Bowles crapped the bed as a play caller on defense last year. As bad as his time management as a HC was last season his play calling on defense was atrocious. I guarantee if Arians was the HC he would politely ask him to remove his head from his nether region and get his shit together.
The fact that people think that a rookie Davis/Dean are on par with a veteran Dean and McCollum is funny to me. When Bowles arrived he had a lot of young, inexperienced DBs and he still showed he was a competent DC back then.
Now, when has more experienced DBs and players that have been in his system for years now we are making excuses for him? Nope. Dean is his boy and and he should know better to play with better leverage and avoid the tub.
The fact that people think that a rookie Davis/Dean are on par with a veteran Dean and McCollum is funny to me. When Bowles arrived he had a lot of young, inexperienced DBs and he still showed he was a competent DC back then.
The entire defense was better, come on now.
you guys can’t seem to keep your Bowles hate in check. His defensive play calling was the reason for success then but the reason for failure now ???
wtf?
how about JPP, Barrett, prime LVD, White out of his mind, AWJ, SMB, Davis, Dean playing for $
And that's why I wanted Bowles gone. He's too old school and rigid. He hasn't embraced the modern meta of the NFL
totally get this criticism and you may be right
The fact that people think that a rookie Davis/Dean are on par with a veteran Dean and McCollum is funny to me. When Bowles arrived he had a lot of young, inexperienced DBs and he still showed he was a competent DC back then.
The entire defense was better, come on now.
you guys can’t seem to keep your Bowles hate in check. His defensive play calling was the reason for success then but the reason for failure now ???
wtf?
how about JPP, Barrett, prime LVD, White out of his mind, AWJ, SMB, Davis, Dean playing for $
I think the league has him figured out because his he's predictable. He used to be one of the best at disguising blitzes but these past 3 years you see QBs recognize it right away and check into a quick pass or screen etc.
I'm sitting here watching games and able to predict when he will blitz and who is blitzing with a fairly high efficiency.
Coaches get figured out and some adapt and some don't.
Chip Kelly comes to mind
You ignoring how bad the offense was late in multiple games and wanting to blame everything on the defense is a derealization of what actually happened.
If you had even a shred of self-awareness, you'd know that Fire was open critical of Coen multiple times late in the season. Did so in multiple gameday threads.
You were probably too busy to notice, with your estrogen-fueled meltdowns all year with anything and everything regarding Coen.
And, again, it's ironic because not once did you ever criticize the low-IQ head coach.
But, good to see you still taking veiled shots at Licht.
You know, the guy with a SB ring. Not the dipshit who CLAIMED to be an NFL GM posting on a sports message board.
Not knowing what someone else posts in gameday threads has nothing to do with self awareness, genius.
Meltdown is the perfect way to describe Duval's offense late vs Lions, at Falcons , 49ers, first OT drive vs Carolina, middle of the Raiders game until Sean Tucker popped a run (6 drives, 3 turnovers, no points), Cowboys and Commanders.
I critcized Bowles for leaving starters in too late, playing Evans at all vs Ravens, not going for 2 vs Chiefs.
Pointing out Licht's 1st and 2nd round edge rushers combined for 2.5 sacks isn't a veiled shot.
You don't get to claim to know how I criticize Coen vs Bowles and then ignore how critical I've been of Coen. I'm very critical of him but the reality is he was a borderline elite play caller this year and made some "first year" play calling mistakes. Plenty to be critical of especially late in games but as I said... I think Bowles is asking him to be conservative late in games and certainly it's on Bowles not going for 2 or on 4th downs. That's not Coen.
Can we nitpick his play calling like the sweep that fumbled or the Baker QB sneak or whatever? Sure.
But all season Coen's worst moments were better than Bowles best.
Did he have more to work with? Sure. Did both sides of the ball have injuries? Yes.
Did we face a tough schedule early? Yes. Did we have a cupcake schedule late? Also yes.
Did Bowles defnese play better down the stretch against bad offenses? Yes. Did Coen's offense leave some points on the table against bad defenses? Yes.
Has Licht prioritized the offense in FA and the draft over the defense? Yes-ish. Has Licht hit on players on offense and whiffed on players on defense? Yes.
Has Licht been a joke at drafted edge rushers? Yes. Is Licht the best GM we've ever had? Also yes. Was Licht afforded a longer than usual runway? Yes. Did he bring hope a championship and usher in a new era of winning culture and football? Also yes.
I've been one of Licht's biggest critics. It's well documented. But I've also changed my tune and given him credit... That he deserves.
He's doing a good job with a Brady debt that has to be paid off.
Does Bowles get some credit for winning the division 3 straight years? Of course... Where we differ tho is on who takes the blame/credit when and where.
And if I think about last season I can think of 10 or 15 instances where Bowles was a net negative and we either lost because of him or won in spite of him.
Coen had a few of the same but those are less than 5...
And lastly the offense bailed out the defense far more than the defense bailed out the offense. Sans Baker high turnovers the offense controlled the ball, and gave the defense points to work with in every single game but the Denver game.
The Defense conversely only had one dominant showing at it was vs the lowly Giants.
Even when the defense wasn't allowing a ton of points it was still allowing a ton of yards, playing soft Defense and not getting off the field, forcing very few punts, and forcing almost no turnovers.
And that's largely the scheme be too predictable combined with (imo) Bowles not getting the best of of the unit by constantly having players play out of position or not to their strength.
And that's why I wanted Bowles gone. He's too old school and rigid. He hasn't embraced the modern meta of the NFL and it left me feeling like we wasted one of the best offensive seasons in our team's history.
Well said, sir.
I just don't think people are capable of having an evolving opinion anymore.
And if Bowles gets some more talent and has an excellent year and he delegates clock managment duty and plays more aggressive... I'll change my tune and tip my hat.
As it stands, I'm pissed we lost Coen (our strength) and kept Bowles (our weakness).
And I'll be happy to eat crow if I'm wrong because that'll mean we're winning.
I just don't think people are capable of having an evolving opinion anymore.
And if Bowles gets some more talent and has an excellent year and he delegates clock managment duty and plays more aggressive... I'll change my tune and tip my hat.
Again, another great post.
You ignoring how bad the offense was late in multiple games and wanting to blame everything on the defense is a derealization of what actually happened.
If you had even a shred of self-awareness, you'd know that Fire was open critical of Coen multiple times late in the season. Did so in multiple gameday threads.
You were probably too busy to notice, with your estrogen-fueled meltdowns all year with anything and everything regarding Coen.
And, again, it's ironic because not once did you ever criticize the low-IQ head coach.
But, good to see you still taking veiled shots at Licht.
You know, the guy with a SB ring. Not the dipshit who CLAIMED to be an NFL GM posting on a sports message board.
Not knowing what someone else posts in gameday threads has nothing to do with self awareness, genius.
Meltdown is the perfect way to describe Duval's offense late vs Lions, at Falcons , 49ers, first OT drive vs Carolina, middle of the Raiders game until Sean Tucker popped a run (6 drives, 3 turnovers, no points), Cowboys and Commanders.
I critcized Bowles for leaving starters in too late, playing Evans at all vs Ravens, not going for 2 vs Chiefs.
Pointing out Licht's 1st and 2nd round edge rushers combined for 2.5 sacks isn't a veiled shot.
You don't get to claim to know how I criticize Coen vs Bowles and then ignore how critical I've been of Coen. I'm very critical of him but the reality is he was a borderline elite play caller this year and made some "first year" play calling mistakes. Plenty to be critical of especially late in games but as I said... I think Bowles is asking him to be conservative late in games and certainly it's on Bowles not going for 2 or on 4th downs. That's not Coen.
Can we nitpick his play calling like the sweep that fumbled or the Baker QB sneak or whatever? Sure.
But all season Coen's worst moments were better than Bowles best.
Did he have more to work with? Sure. Did both sides of the ball have injuries? Yes.
Did we face a tough schedule early? Yes. Did we have a cupcake schedule late? Also yes.
Did Bowles defnese play better down the stretch against bad offenses? Yes. Did Coen's offense leave some points on the table against bad defenses? Yes.
Has Licht prioritized the offense in FA and the draft over the defense? Yes-ish. Has Licht hit on players on offense and whiffed on players on defense? Yes.
Has Licht been a joke at drafted edge rushers? Yes. Is Licht the best GM we've ever had? Also yes. Was Licht afforded a longer than usual runway? Yes. Did he bring hope a championship and usher in a new era of winning culture and football? Also yes.
I've been one of Licht's biggest critics. It's well documented. But I've also changed my tune and given him credit... That he deserves.
He's doing a good job with a Brady debt that has to be paid off.
Does Bowles get some credit for winning the division 3 straight years? Of course... Where we differ tho is on who takes the blame/credit when and where.
And if I think about last season I can think of 10 or 15 instances where Bowles was a net negative and we either lost because of him or won in spite of him.
Coen had a few of the same but those are less than 5...
And lastly the offense bailed out the defense far more than the defense bailed out the offense. Sans Baker high turnovers the offense controlled the ball, and gave the defense points to work with in every single game but the Denver game.
The Defense conversely only had one dominant showing at it was vs the lowly Giants.
Even when the defense wasn't allowing a ton of points it was still allowing a ton of yards, playing soft Defense and not getting off the field, forcing very few punts, and forcing almost no turnovers.
And that's largely the scheme be too predictable combined with (imo) Bowles not getting the best of of the unit by constantly having players play out of position or not to their strength.
And that's why I wanted Bowles gone. He's too old school and rigid. He hasn't embraced the modern meta of the NFL and it left me feeling like we wasted one of the best offensive seasons in our team's history.
Lets go over the wins and see where the bail outs were.
1. Week 1 vs Commanders- Neither was bailed out. Comfortable win from the start.
2. Week 2 at Lions. 20-16. In the 4th qtr the offense had 3 drives and 1 first down. The defense made 4th qtr stops up 4 at the Bucs 41, Bucs 28, Bucs 11. Defense bailed out the offense.
3. Week 4 vs Eagles- Neither was bailed out.
4. Week 6 at Saints- Neither. High scoring but you can't call it a bail out. The defense scored a TD, a Saints FG drive started at the Bucs 28 (which is no points allowed for the defense) and a Saints TD drive started at the Bucs 10.
5. Week 12 at Giants- Neither. Both sides were extremely efficient.
6. Week 13 at Panthers. You're foaming at the mouth to say this was an offensive bail out but it's neither. A Panthers TD drive started at the Bucs 36 after the offense lost 14 yards on 4 plays and Gill shanked a punt. Defense kept the game calm while Coen and Baker were trying to hand the game to the Panthers with all the sacks and interceptions. Panthers started drives at their 43 and Bucs 20 after Baker interceptions and the defense kept them to FGs. Offense bailed out the defense with an amazing drive at the end of regulation. In overtime with 2nd and 6 at the Panthers 36 (this should be runs on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down) Baker gets sacked. Bucs defense gets the turnover in overtime. Both bailed out both.
7. Week 14 vs Raiders- This is leaning toward a defensive bail out. Hot start by the offense but then they completely collapsed in the middle of the game. The 6 drives in the middle of the game
INT (defense gets the ball right back)
Fumble (Raiders take over at Bucs 45 and score a TD)
3 and out (Raiders take over at midfield and kick a FG)
Baker INT on 2nd and 1 at Raiders 20 (end of half)
Punt (Raiders 3 and out)
Punt (Raiders 3 and out)
At this point in the season I realize Baker isn't who everyone thinks he is and Coen can't manage a game. Tucker popped a run and McMillan walked in a TD when a first down eneded the game.
8. Week 15 at Chargers- Neither
9. Week 17 vs Panthers-Neither
10. Week 18 vs Saints- Neither. Bucs defense held Saints to a 3 and out after a Baker INT (still got a FG) and another 3 and out after a botched snap when the Saints took over at midfield up 6 late in the 3rd. Saints had the ball down 1 and down 8 in the 4th qtr and didn't score either drives.
So as you can see, the offense did not bail out the defense in any wins, it was actually the other way around. If the Bucs defense was as bad as everyone thinks they are the Lions, at Panthers and maybe last Saints game would have been losses.
The Lions, Eagles and Chargers games were dominant showings for the defense. I'm sure there's a reason those games dont count.
Never seen a more biased and cherry picked breakdown in my life. I can't even begin to breakdown the bias here because it's 90% your feelings and 10% facts.
For example the Lions game. Yes the defense came up big with stops in the red zone to steal a win and yes the offense was hyper conservative with the LEAD (emphasis on lead).
But of course the offense didn't scoring... For 2 reasons
1.) playing with the lead
2.) lions sustaining drives that should have resulted in scored but true to Dan Campbell's style he rolled the dice and it was a rare loss for him in doing so...
In your entire breakdown you don't ONCE talk about ball control. IE - forcing punts and sustaining drives.
I don't care to break down the rest of this bias and the fact that you skipped a bunch of games.
So as you can see, the offense did not bail out the defense in any wins, it was actually the other way around.
You're cute.
Never seen a more biased and cherry picked breakdown in my life. I can't even begin to breakdown the bias here because it's 90% your feelings and 10% facts.
For example the Lions game. Yes the defense came up big with stops in the red zone to steal a win and yes the offense was hyper conservative with the LEAD (emphasis on lead).
But of course the offense didn't scoring... For 2 reasons
1.) playing with the lead
2.) lions sustaining drives that should have resulted in scored but true to Dan Campbell's style he rolled the dice and it was a rare loss for him in doing so...
In your entire breakdown you don't ONCE talk about ball control. IE - forcing punts and sustaining drives.
I don't care to break down the rest of this bias and the fact that you skipped a bunch of games.
Bailouts refers to wins. I went through each win. You don't like talking game situations because they disprove the narrative.
