All those small school interior lineman being developed had a lot to do with Licht picking but also Goodwin and Gilbert coaching them up. Arians brought in a really strong staff and to look for almost an entire new staff on the offensive side is a huge loss. I'm a bit worried for next year now.
I understand the point of view of PR and others that the run game has been terrible for a long time so maybe the Bucs can find better coaches to improve the run game. But on the other hand Goodwin and Gilbert have been responsible for training a lot of the drafted OL in pass pro which is paramount in the modern NFL.
There are other fish in the sea. The new OC will want his own guys. I don't blame them for going with their OC of last year even if it was only one year. I didn't know the offensive coaches were so great on our team, but after getting 9 runs... er points against the lowly Panthers to eke out a 9-8 record now we can't do without them? Look this is still a defense-first team, and you do the best you can with the offense. They need to shore up that defense or fuhgeddaboudit. We need to get Mayfield back and so at least we can have a veteran leader who knows how to win games at QB. We need to shore up the middle of the O-line. There are good offensive coaches loitering on every street corner. They found an OC last year, they'll find their coaches this year. That's the least of our worries.
There are good offensive coaches loitering on every street corner. They found an OC last year, they'll find their coaches this year. That's the least of our worries.
Lol.
woOW. ThIS OofSeason IS just gett'n better and better. The Bottom and from HC down is in a FR33 FALL. AWEsome!!!! I LIKE DRAMA. Aight, whats the move Jason LIGHT?
You cant go Vanilla thIS OoFSeason. GOOOO!!!! BIGGGG or Go hom:(. SUrPRISE ME!!! FlIp IT on Its HEAD and make it better Like when U take Chicken Shit and turn IT into Chicken Salad, Ill Take THAT WITH a GIant HELPing of CROW!!!!
Popcorn at the ready as a CHASER!!!! I mean their are sum good points. We lost our oline guy whose been around from the beginning OF BA, he coached ALI, WIRFS, and GOEDECKE, he had a hand in JENSEN and CAPPA...He's a good Oline Coach, but even he has a weakness, we really havent had a true run threat, not his primary cup'o'tea but its a duty that he accepted none-the-less no? Maybe we can get a youngish guy that can help us better use the OLINEMEN we got + 1 or 2 Draftees, and manufacture a run game. At this POINT, GOODWIN has served his purpose. Im pretty sure that Wirfs doesnt need much more SUPERvision, Hes ready to just let go and he can train GOEDECKE as a RG, he's got experience at being the best RT for what like 2 years?, Im sure he can sho GOEDEKE a thing or two, same for Mauch, and Whoever we draft...With a bit better play in the center of the line and more creative use of the olines runscheme I think we can be OK with someone who can figure out how to Tap White as a true dual threat back-pass catcher and mean runner yac GUY. I think with more growth WHITE's gonna be a BEAST. Anyhoo. Yeah just pick an Oline coach whos bright and creative and with enough sense to let Wirfs and Co GROW INTO ELephants, add an oversight of quality relationship building coaching and viola.
As for Gilbert. Again, just more kindling for the Fire, its either going to spread and burn OBP down OR Kinda Like a Pheonix Scenario...isnt that were the SB that WE SHOULD BE IN is AT? Sera sera, se'la'vi. Im Outtie 4 now.
Ramon B 1981 GOOOO BUCS!!!!!
I understand the point of view of PR and others that the run game has been terrible for a long time so maybe the Bucs can find better coaches to improve the run game. But on the other hand Goodwin and Gilbert have been responsible for training a lot of the drafted OL in pass pro which is paramount in the modern NFL.
they are both good coaches. The 2022 run game was taken away from them. People might recall that Godwin protested by speaking out to Rick Stroud.
RT not RG, ugh
We will be okay
I'm sure their development helped the players some but lets not act like they were working with C and D list athletes across the line. We drafted some pretty premier athletes along the OL. We drafted three of these guys pretty high in the draft in Wirfs, Goedeke, and Mauch. Hainsey and Stinnie were below average starters and the coaches got maybe a handful of quality starts from each player. In other words, the OL coach wasn't that good.
I understand the point of view of PR and others that the run game has been terrible for a long time so maybe the Bucs can find better coaches to improve the run game. But on the other hand Goodwin and Gilbert have been responsible for training a lot of the drafted OL in pass pro which is paramount in the modern NFL.
they are both good coaches. The 2022 run game was taken away from them. People might recall that Godwin protested by speaking out to Rick Stroud.
Good Point, I had forgotten...He was mad at CPHC'now in Ca (Now that its been 2 days, my feelings on CPHC and his "departure, have changed!" Yeah, as much as I wanna "root" for the gUY? I HOPE HE gets fkd in Ca- I Hope He gets Eiffel "Towered" rIght UP MAINSTREET with a PINEAPPLE CHOSEN bY HarvI KIetell (C-Lil'NIckI!) buy the Ca Owner-just cuz he's a turn coat, he was more loyal to DAN MORGEN, fine, I GET THAT, but then why come here?? Why not sniff Dam Morgans But IN COLD AZ UPPER NY, maybe by now yoUr LIPS mIght have frozen on his asz Joing U 2 for the rest of your lives, and I hope hIs Shits smell HORRIBLI!!!...TLDR Snitches get Stiches...and TRAITORS get Eiffel "Towered" rIght UP MAINSTREET with a PINEAPPLE CHOSEN bY HarvI KIetell) and BPHC wasnt He. But he had to B anggry PrIvately and hIs WIFE had to speak for hIm, my Wife does ballz stUff Like that when Im too lazI to du It mySelf. I respect that, just more reason to hit the reset on some of these POSERS,CLOWNS, and SIMPLETONS-BPHC IS A BIGGs SIMPLETON. Hardy fkn har har...liked that ONE didnt'cha. JUst 4 U bUddy!!!!
To tell me guys like Hainsey, Cappa, Goedeke, Mauch all develop without Goodwin and Gilbert vs another oline coach, I wouldnt believe you. They had Donovan Smith playing at a high level in the superbowl run. We had 5th round guys like pamphile, Benenoch, Kadeem edwards who have been outplayed by UDFA like Stinnie and Leverett. Oline isn't a flashy position so its hard to find the nuances to the naked eye, but the first 4 guys don't become starters without their help. Thats a 4/4 hit with mid round expectations of lineman, which is absurdly high.
The Arians staff was a high quality staff that knew how to win and develop players, which will be sorely missed. It isn't a coincidence Licht becomes our best GM in franchise history after Arians was hired. We have had so many good players develop through the draft the Arian years. Finding an offensive staff good as Arians will be a tough find.
To tell me guys like Hainsey, Cappa, Goedeke, Mauch all develop without Goodwin and Gilbert vs another oline coach, I wouldnt believe you. They had Donovan Smith playing at a high level in the superbowl run. We had 5th round guys like pamphile, Benenoch, Kadeem edwards who have been outplayed by UDFA like Stinnie and Leverett. Oline isn't a flashy position so its hard to find the nuances to the naked eye, but the first 4 guys don't become starters without their help. Thats a 4/4 hit with mid round expectations of lineman, which is absurdly high.
The Arians staff was a high quality staff that knew how to win and develop players, which will be sorely missed. It isn't a coincidence Licht becomes our best GM in franchise history after Arians was hired. We have had so many good players develop through the draft the Arian years. Finding an offensive staff good as Arians will be a tough find.
Its not that, I just think the Oline is set up to win. Wirfs is a Tru Leader on the OLINE. True LEaders = are Tru Mentors to their peers'all'of them = and TRU Mentors are Coaches=LEaders, which is where we started off like a circle of (OachIng/MentOrIn). Wirfs can help water the other 4 next to him. He's got a friend in Goedecke who can help and sho rooks how to rebound QUICKLY from adversity, sometimes it takes something drastic...like changing positions. See Wirfs and Goedecke in 23 as evidence. Did Goodwin help OF COURSE HE DID, He taught them how to be LEaders, but now its like the Leadership baton has been symbolically passed to Wirfs, He the Mommas bear NOW and will teach the cubs (rooks to bolster our interior oline-or teach the ones WE GOT NOW). Now all that is needed is a bit more charisma, creativity, and positive energy to formulate a run game and also be supportive and sage like oline coach...hard talent to master, knowing what to do while simultaneously not overstepping unearned authority...razor thin'that one. In any case, just hire someone who is a bit ballz and has a bit of youthful wisdom and we'll be fIn3. Wirfs and GO't'it!! Yeah let that one make u d!ZZI!!!
Oh and for GODS'sake make a contract in which he (Or even sHE? never say never???) cant just leave next year, we gotta start consistency sum'fkn'where!!!!
To tell me guys like Hainsey, Cappa, Goedeke, Mauch all develop without Goodwin and Gilbert vs another oline coach, I wouldnt believe you. They had Donovan Smith playing at a high level in the superbowl run. We had 5th round guys like pamphile, Benenoch, Kadeem edwards who have been outplayed by UDFA like Stinnie and Leverett. Oline isn't a flashy position so its hard to find the nuances to the naked eye, but the first 4 guys don't become starters without their help. Thats a 4/4 hit with mid round expectations of lineman, which is absurdly high.
The Arians staff was a high quality staff that knew how to win and develop players, which will be sorely missed. It isn't a coincidence Licht becomes our best GM in franchise history after Arians was hired. We have had so many good players develop through the draft the Arian years. Finding an offensive staff good as Arians will be a tough find.
My problem with Goodwin wasn't player development, it was his role as Run Game Coordinator. The coordination of the run game has been...let's say less-than-stellar.
It is interesting to note that Goodwin's move to Carolina is a lateral move. He was the AHC and Run Game Coordinator here too. Not a good look for Bowles.
To tell me guys like Hainsey, Cappa, Goedeke, Mauch all develop without Goodwin and Gilbert vs another oline coach, I wouldnt believe you. They had Donovan Smith playing at a high level in the superbowl run. We had 5th round guys like pamphile, Benenoch, Kadeem edwards who have been outplayed by UDFA like Stinnie and Leverett. Oline isn't a flashy position so its hard to find the nuances to the naked eye, but the first 4 guys don't become starters without their help. Thats a 4/4 hit with mid round expectations of lineman, which is absurdly high.
The Arians staff was a high quality staff that knew how to win and develop players, which will be sorely missed. It isn't a coincidence Licht becomes our best GM in franchise history after Arians was hired. We have had so many good players develop through the draft the Arian years. Finding an offensive staff good as Arians will be a tough find.
My problem with Goodwin wasn't player development, it was his role as Run Game Coordinator. The coordination of the run game has been...let's say less-than-stellar.
It is interesting to note that Goodwin's move to Carolina is a lateral move. He was the AHC and Run Game Coordinator here too. Not a good look for Bowles.
Bowles should be fired or demoted. I think that HAS TO BE the first move of the match; As Owners U have to set the tone and the boundaries AND clearly establIsh what U wIll and WILL NOT TOlerate. If U don't NO 1 ends up respecting U and U just create more work and tIme sink for urself. Anyhoo, Glazers move, du they back BPHC, that would be the V'anilla'puc move, or du they Du sumthing crazy like pawn to f3 just because its cra'z and ballz at the same time-Dungy, Chucky, Tommy, and AB....all brilliant!!! Im count'n on'ya....Its the OofSeason, keep US entertaIn3D!!! at L3ast. G'z Call the TO NOW, Its still not too late to change NEXT YEAR!
To tell me guys like Hainsey, Cappa, Goedeke, Mauch all develop without Goodwin and Gilbert vs another oline coach, I wouldnt believe you. They had Donovan Smith playing at a high level in the superbowl run. We had 5th round guys like pamphile, Benenoch, Kadeem edwards who have been outplayed by UDFA like Stinnie and Leverett. Oline isn't a flashy position so its hard to find the nuances to the naked eye, but the first 4 guys don't become starters without their help. Thats a 4/4 hit with mid round expectations of lineman, which is absurdly high.
The Arians staff was a high quality staff that knew how to win and develop players, which will be sorely missed. It isn't a coincidence Licht becomes our best GM in franchise history after Arians was hired. We have had so many good players develop through the draft the Arian years. Finding an offensive staff good as Arians will be a tough find.
My problem with Goodwin wasn't player development, it was his role as Run Game Coordinator. The coordination of the run game has been...let's say less-than-stellar.
It is interesting to note that Goodwin's move to Carolina is a lateral move. He was the AHC and Run Game Coordinator here too. Not a good look for Bowles.
LOL. man . . . Canales disagrees, right?
In this past season, Canales was given the credit FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU for the offensive production. Canales, not mayfield. So start with that "Cananles is the genius" position and watch the circular logic unfold
the circlualr logic unfolds BECAUSE what was nearly the FIRST MOVE of Cannales the Genius as a HC? The guy who got the credit for the Bucs 2023 offensive output. Canales, gets the BIG job and almost IMMEDIATELY brings over Goodwin. And someone here CORRECTLY POINTS OUT THE PLAYER DEVELOPMENT . . . and you say "development, shme -velopment . . its the run game."
And you say that AFTER watching a run game with very similar talent TO A NON-EXISTENT RUN GAME THE YEAR PRIOR (something Goodwin actually complained about to the PRESS) and even now with a rookie G (who he develops) and a back-up C. .. and anyone with eyes sees that run game GROW and IMPROVE through the season AND . . . . wait for it . . .WITH NOTABLE ADAPTATIONS BY GOODWIN TO the Genius's run game, right?
DURING THE SEASON you could actually see the run game MORPH from the Genius's mid-zone, under center play action, bootlegging run game to a run game that betters meshes with our QB (EG playing out of SG) and our lines ability (LESS RELIANCE ON ZONE RUNS) and that GROWTH even features some very public coaching (hit the hole, take what is there, run with violence) of our lead RB that you can see play out in during the games . . .
and this last part you say the lateral move is "not a good look for Bowles" but that also would mean a GOOD LOOK FOR CANALES THE GENIUS RIGHT? Goodwin was with him for only a year . . but you take issue with the "less than stellar" run game . . . . WHEN CANALES THE GENIUS CLEARLY DOES NOT
So Canales is a genius, responsible the offensive production . . not mayfield . . but as one of his first moves he decided to convince a guy who cannot coordinate a run game to come over . . .LATERALLY .. .
"the wheels on the bus go round and round . . round and round"
The obvious takeaway from the last two seasons side-by-side should be that Goodwin is a GOOD COACH who was MARGINALIZED in 2022 by the impact of Brady TO THE THE POINT THAT HE OPENLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PRESS (almost NEVER happens in the NFL) and that like every Bucs coach 2023 was a no improvement in talent year BUT he still developed an actual running game and it was NOT the base running game of the new OC
For goodness sake that new OC wonder kid turned HC scooped Goodwin right up
