JTS was a failed pick from the start because he shot up the draft process by sitting out the 2020 covid year. Then you had someone like Linderbaum who was rannked as high as 7th in the pre-season and then fell to 63 in the draft process by actually playing.
It's because Licht reaches on defense.
JTS, Braswell, Hall... All reaches.
Edge rushers are like QBs. Their value is inflated so they get taken higher than they should.
Coaching has to do with it too. Bucs coaching on offense is way better than the defense.
Bucs sunk so many resources on defense and they are going backwards.
The buck stops with Licht, because if the HC is making the picks, then it's Licht letting him do it. And it's on Licht now to make sure there are changes on the defensive coaching staff with some guys that aren't cronies of Bowles.@firebowles2023 I agree with this to an extent....Licht has clearly had some dud picks over the years that I feel he's more than made up for over the past several years...I know he's come out and said "coaches are involved in the pick but he makes the final decision" I think that Bowles and the assistants definitely have more input than what Licht might say publicly. Licht has come out on more than one occasion saying how the team holds mock drafts in the weeks leading up to the draft so that they can have a plan in place and cover every scenario to be more efficient and avoid war room conflict...It'd be foolish to think that every coach down to assistant and QC coaches, and front office person doesn't make their player preferences known/and a case made for players in addition to potential usage of said players if drafted.. That said yes Licht certainly has a better track record with the offensive side of the ball and has reached on both sides of the ball on occasion through the years, but I feel like all of those reaches(and home runs) were made with every coach down to the assistant coaches input contributing and playing a key role in the ultimate decision.
Oh I absolutely agree. The buck does stop with Licht and he is the one ultimately making the pick, I was just saying he takes every bit of information from Bowles down the line into consideration when making said picks...also agree that Licht and ultimately the Glazers if need be need to step in (if Bowles is retained) and demand at the very least that certain position coaches need to be replaced, along with possibly a dedicated play calling DC to allow him to focus more on in game decisions
It's because Licht reaches on defense.
JTS, Braswell, Hall... All reaches.
so two of those guys are Super Bowl guys, but Bowles was alos quoted as saying he made a conscious choice to go to bigger DEs as part of chnaging up his defense.
Licht does his job as a GM should which is trying to support the coach. He's definitely missed on some pick but his time with the Bucs has mostly been golden and its tough to tell who is the decision-maker on some picks
Bowles
"“It was interesting as we were talking to Todd Bowles about changes; he said defenses change every 2 1/2 years, so he went from being big with the tackles to big with the edges,” Collinsworth said. “And it’s helped his defenses."
It's because Licht reaches on defense.
JTS, Braswell, Hall... All reaches.
so two of those guys are Super Bowl guys, but Bowles was alos quoted as saying he made a conscious choice to go to bigger DEs as part of chnaging up his defense.
Licht does his job as a GM should which is trying to support the coach. He's definitely missed on some pick but his time with the Bucs has mostly been golden and its tough to tell who is the decision-maker on some picks
JTS was reach.
Hall we traded back and reached.
Braswell was taken a full round earlier than expected.
This area of the draft (late first to mid second) has been a struggle for Licht.
He hit on Winfield but that's the only one on in recent memory.
I wanted Devin Lloyd over Hall:
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/devin-lloyd/58238#gradesWidget
He's hasn't been a world beater but he's been solid and has a good year last year.
Was a much better prospect than Hall.
It's because Licht reaches on defense.
JTS, Braswell, Hall... All reaches.
so two of those guys are Super Bowl guys, but Bowles was alos quoted as saying he made a conscious choice to go to bigger DEs as part of chnaging up his defense.
Licht does his job as a GM should which is trying to support the coach. He's definitely missed on some pick but his time with the Bucs has mostly been golden and its tough to tell who is the decision-maker on some picks
Yeah but if you read SR's Fab 5 you would see the Bucs edges dropped into zone way too much. If that is what Bowles want to do on defense he needs to have smaller more twitch OLBs that can play in space if that is what he wants to do.
Also another point is that a fire zone blitz scheme requires you drop OLB into shallow zone coverage, and blitz CBs and safeties. Bucs rarely blitzed their boundary CBs with speed like McCollum and Dean.
Hall we traded back and reached.
And passed on George Karlaftis, a guy I liked. He was top prospect going into his draft class, but didn't have a great year and dropped a little. He would have been a great addition at the end of R1, but they traded back and Kansas City reaped the benefits. He's had 24.5 sacks in three seasons, and another 4 sacks in 7 playoff games.
This area of the draft (late first to mid second) has been a struggle for Licht.
I think for most
Not defending Licht over the picks you mention but don’t they have Bowles’ fingerprints on them? Hall is the bigger end Bowles mentioned and JTS the “chess piece” and Braswell the next “chess piece” to replace JTS
i am not saying those guys are effective in those roles just describing how they fit with Bowles description of his defense.
Hall we traded back and reached.
And passed on George Karlaftis, a guy I liked. He was top prospect going into his draft class, but didn't have a great year and dropped a little. He would have been a great addition at the end of R1, but they traded back and Kansas City reaped the benefits. He's had 24.5 sacks in three seasons, and another 4 sacks in 7 playoff games.
Yeah I remember you banging that drum. Licht has been pretty damn bad evaluating edge rushers
It's because Licht reaches on defense.
JTS, Braswell, Hall... All reaches.
so two of those guys are Super Bowl guys, but Bowles was alos quoted as saying he made a conscious choice to go to bigger DEs as part of chnaging up his defense.
Licht does his job as a GM should which is trying to support the coach. He's definitely missed on some pick but his time with the Bucs has mostly been golden and its tough to tell who is the decision-maker on some picks
Yeah but if you read SR's Fab 5 you would see the Bucs edges dropped into zone way too much. If that is what Bowles want to do on defense he needs to have smaller more twitch OLBs that can play in space if that is what he wants to do.
Also another point is that a fire zone blitz scheme requires you drop OLB into shallow zone coverage, and blitz CBs and safeties. Bucs rarely blitzed their boundary CBs with speed like McCollum and Dean.
It's almost like Bowles doesn't know what he's doing. Weird
This area of the draft (late first to mid second) has been a struggle for Licht.
I think for most
Not defending Licht over the picks you mention but don’t they have Bowles’ fingerprints on them? Hall is the bigger end Bowles mentioned and JTS the “chess piece” and Braswell the next “chess piece” to replace JTS
i am not saying those guys are effective in those roles just describing how they fit with Bowles description of his defense.
Licht hired Bowles and if he's also listening to Bowles on draft picks he has to take ownership. He's Bowles' boss after all
Bowles has to make a choice. If you want to employ bigger ends to stop the run then stop dropping them, Vea and Kancey into zone coverage. But if you want to be more dynamic and faster to defend the pass you need smaller high twitch athletes at end.
Can not have it both ways because you are not going to find an OLB that can play in space and weights 260+ LBs so easily. Plus, the Bucs passed on the chance to trade for Judon and to sign Clowney so they better make the right choice this off season.
Bowles has to make a choice. If you want to employ bigger ends to stop the run then stop dropping them, Vea and Kancey into zone coverage. But if you want to be more dynamic and faster to defend the pass you need smaller high twitch athletes at end.
Can not have it both ways because you are not going to find an OLB that can play in space and weights 260+ LBs so easily. Plus, the Bucs passed on the chance to trade for Judon and to sign Clowney so they better make the right choice this off season.
Well put
