Some are holding him to the standard of 2020, 2021 Tom Brady.
Nobody is holding him to that standard.
And, the “comparisons” of this year vs. last year’s offense are comical.
They’re night and day because of the OC’s.
Baker would be a bottom-5 QB in last year’s offense.
Mayfield is Jeff Garcia without the elite defense and good running game.
-Low turnovers but low passing output.
- Short so he has to run out of good pockets and into trouble.
-Chest pounder, lot of fluff, media loves it.
Was watching Simms on PFT talk about the game, about how bad the Bucs offense is playing but praising Mayfield. Cowher the samething at half time. I don't know why these people can't put it together. With these WRs and how well the tackles are playing this offense should be putting up big passing numbers.
i mean shit Nick Wright on first things first was comparing Baker to Lamar and Stafford; so don't hate on us just saying he's an average QB well exceeding his contract investment.
Which is true, do you agree? Is he performing better than the $4m to $8M investment? Has the Bucs in first place in a "fuck it year"
Making playoffs, although getting whooped by Dallas, would be a welcomed continuation of our young guys experiencing winning.
After all most QBs are mid at best so what does it really matter unless you strike gold. Let's establish that winning culture.
2014 -
1st round - Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater
2nd round - Derek Carr, Jimmy G
verdict - All first round picks were bust, the second round guys were mid tier guys but thats it
2015 -
1st round - Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota
third round- Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion
7th round - Trevor Siemian
Verdict - both first were bust, don't remember the third round guys. Trevor Siemian half decent back up late in the draft
2016 -
1st round - Jared Golf, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch
2nd - Christian Hackenberg
third - Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler
4th - Connor Cook, Dak Prescott, Cardale Jones
Verdict - all three first rounders were bust. Golf a half decent game manager but nobody confusing for the guy. Mustered up 3 points in a Super Bowl appearance. Brissett half decent back-up. Dak Prescott is potentially the guy but has not won anything yet in his career. He puts up decent numbers but is he the guy or an above average game manager. Time will tell. Dallas think's he's the guy, but they also thought highly of Tony Romo who never won shit either.
2017 -
1st round - Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes (10th overall), Deshaun Watson
2nd round - DeShone Kizer
third round - Davis Webb, CJ Beathard
4th round - Joshua Dobbs
Verdict - Patrick Mahomes is definitely the guy. Already in the top 10 QBs of all time. 2x Superbowl Champ. But notice he was the 10th overall pick and Chiefs traded up for him so wasn't like a tank job was needed here. DeShaun looked like he was good first couple years but flammed out particularly with his second team.
2018 -
1st round - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson
third round - Mason Rudolf
Verdict - Both Baltimore and Buffalo think they found the guy and i would put them in the potential category. Lamar has Baltimore buzzing every year but what a team player sitting out last year's playoffs for that contract extension. Yikes. Until he makes the Superbowl, hard to really say he is the guy. But much like Allen, has his team competing every year. Our guy Baker in there certainly not worth #1 overall pick selection. He's a mid tier guy
2019 -
1st round - Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins
2nd round - Drew Lock
third round - Will Grier
6th round - Gardner Minshew
Verdict - just threw up in my mouth a little bit. what an atrocious draft with arguably Minshew as the best guy.
2020 -
1st round - Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love
2nd round - Jalen Hurts
Verdict - too early to tell. Joe Burrow has taken his team to a Superbowl. But the guy has played 4 seasons and finished just 2 of them. Will he be in the league in 3 years? Yes he might be the guy.
Tua was gargabe his first 2 years, looks to be turning a corner these last 2 years with Hill on board. Too early to tell.
Herbert puts up some good numbers. May be the guy but why is the team under .500 with him as a starter?
Finally Hurts. Took his team to the Superbowl in his 2nd year as starter; didn't start in this first year. Having a similar year this year. He may be the guy but too early to tell.
2021
first round - Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones
2nd round- Kyle Trask
third round - Kellen Mond, Davis Mills
verdict - i mean damn 3 out of the 5 first rounders are already written off, Fields about to be there. Lawrence looks to have turned around the Jaguars and may be the guy.
the 2nd/third round guys. Trask has 23 career passes, sitting behind Brady for his first 2 years but couldn't beat out Mayfield for the starting job, Mond already on another team. Mills looked mid in his performance which is why Houston already drafted their guy.
2022 -
1st round - Kenny Pickett
third round - Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis, Matt Corral
verdict - weakass QB class, can already tell none of these guys will be anything more than mid.
Skipping 2023 as too early to tell. so what does this tell us. Of the guys that are the guy or maybes in the last 10 years, you are talking under 10 guys. It's not like they come around every year either. Odds are of Caleb, Maye, and Daniels'; maybe one of them is the guy but as you see by draft history, quite possibly they all can be...you guessed it...Mid at best.
Mayfield is outperforming his contract but he it was be design. He signed a 1 year, cheap deal for obvious reasons.
A. Only has to "beat out" Trask
B. I'm 99% sure he and Licht have a good relationship since the draft process.
C. Evans, Godwin, Wirfs
D. Bad division.
Mayfield has put himself into a position to scam a team, likely the Bucs, into a bad contract in the off-season.
Mayfield is outperforming his contract but he it was be design. He signed a 1 year, cheap deal for obvious reasons.
A. Only has to "beat out" Trask
B. I'm 99% sure he and Licht have a good relationship since the draft process.
C. Evans, Godwin, Wirfs
D. Bad division.
Mayfield has put himself into a position to scam a team, likely the Bucs, into a bad contract in the off-season.
A - but he did beat him out. guys playing pretty good. Could Trask be better? Maybe. But hell look at the 10 drafts i just gave you, he's more likely to be out of the league after his Bucs contract than he would be starter.
B - Licht can have a good relationship but if he was terrible, that relationship goes out the window; i.e. look at Leftwich
C - so two good WRs, one good lineman. Rest of line is JAGs as our our TE and RB. How does our offensive talent compare to Dallas, Eagles, San Francisco? LA Rams? Seattle? Atlanta? New Orleans? Minnesota? Detroit? i mean shit man, we may be bottom half of the NFC.
D - bad division indeed. But it was a bad division last year and the year before. Hell Brady made a career out of being in a bad division.
Rest of line is JAGs
I think you're disparaging Bucs OL unjustly. At the half way point they were ranked 8th, behind Chargers and ahead of Colts.* What is your definition of JAGS?
*33rd Team website. I don't have subscription for PFF.
Rest of line is JAGs
I think you're disparaging Bucs OL unjustly. At the half way point they were ranked 8th, behind Chargers and ahead of Colts.* What is your definition of JAGS?
*33rd Team website. I don't have subscription for PFF.
i mean we have one of the worst rushing attacks in the league. been that way for at least the last few years. Except in our prime 2020 and 2021 we were a throwing team with 3 HOFs, Godwin and reception back Lenny so it was alright.
id like to think White's got some talent but def hard to tell behind that line.
Hainsey can barely snap the ball. How many snaps are off? Dude has to be one of the worst centers in the league.
and not to cherry pick but again, compare the offensive talent on Tampa to that of the other teams
i am sure we can agree that Dallas, Philadelphia, and the 49ers are superior? Right. anyone debating that?
Falcons with London, Pitts, Jake Mathews, and Robinson? that could be argued
How about them Saints with Kamara, Olave,Thomas, Peat, McCoy, Ruiz
Rams with Nacua and Kupp
Seahawks with Metcalf and Lockett?
Vikings with Jefferson, Hockenson, Addison
see - just about every team has a stud on it with half decent players so mentioning Evans, Godwin, and Wirfs like the team is stacked is laughable.
Wirfs and Evans are HALL OF FAMERS and you're talking about Peat and Jordan Addison. Really? And why are you brining up teams who already had starting QBs under contract.
Wirfs and Evans are HALL OF FAMERS and you're talking about Peat and Jordan Addison. Really? And why are you brining up teams who already had starting QBs under contract.
bringing up teams who have equal talent or better. The Bucs are right where they should be .500 mid tier because that's their talent level
Wirfs and Evans are HALL OF FAMERS and you're talking about Peat and Jordan Addison. Really? And why are you brining up teams who already had starting QBs under contract.
bringing up teams who have equal talent or better. The Bucs are right where they should be .500 mid tier because that's their talent level
I'm talking about teams Mayfield could have gone to with a real chance of starting. He could have gone stayed with the Rams but Stafford was coming back. He could have signed with SF and took the chance that Purdy wasn't going to be ready like Darnold did. Or he could have signed with the Bucs. Where else was he going with a chance to start that has better weapons AND a hall of fame LT?
Wirfs and Evans are HALL OF FAMERS and you're talking about Peat and Jordan Addison. Really? And why are you brining up teams who already had starting QBs under contract.
bringing up teams who have equal talent or better. The Bucs are right where they should be .500 mid tier because that's their talent level
I'm talking about teams Mayfield could have gone to with a real chance of starting. He could have gone stayed with the Rams but Stafford was coming back. He could have signed with SF and took the chance that Purdy wasn't going to be ready like Darnold did. Or he could have signed with the Bucs. Where else was he going with a chance to start that has better weapons AND a hall of fame LT?
oh well that's a different discussion. Ask Brady the same question in 2020. there was what? 2-3 teams that wanted him. Just lucky he chose us over the LA Chargers. Maybe the Raiders wanted him too.
my point was the thought that the Bucs had elite talent when they are mid at best.
and as far as Baker starting, i dont think there was any other team willing to give him a shot, but in terms of where we are in week 15, who would rather have him starting....probably most of the NFC
so let's see Dallas, Philadelphia, 49ers, and Rams likely wouldn't change QBs - that's 4 out of 16. Lions likely wouldn't. Jordan Love? Sam Howell - toss ups. Wouldn't you know it, right in the middle.
And, the “comparisons” of this year vs. last year’s offense are comical.
They’re night and day because of the OC’s.
This is not true at all unless you're going to argue (with a straight face) that Leftwich controlled Brady.
Thats not a defense of Leftwich its just a comment on the REALITY that Brady is controlling the lopsided passing offense.
With these WRs and how well the tackles are playing this offense should be putting up big passing numbers
This is silly, honestly.
Mayfield is outperforming his contract but he it was be design. He signed a 1 year, cheap deal for obvious reasons.
A. Only has to "beat out" Trask
B. I'm 99% sure he and Licht have a good relationship since the draft process.
C. Evans, Godwin, Wirfs
D. Bad division.
Mayfield has put himself into a position to scam a team, likely the Bucs, into a bad contract in the off-season.
A - but he did beat him out. guys playing pretty good. Could Trask be better? Maybe. But hell look at the 10 drafts i just gave you, he's more likely to be out of the league after his Bucs contract than he would be starter.
B - Licht can have a good relationship but if he was terrible, that relationship goes out the window; i.e. look at Leftwich
C - so two good WRs, one good lineman. Rest of line is JAGs as our our TE and RB. How does our offensive talent compare to Dallas, Eagles, San Francisco? LA Rams? Seattle? Atlanta? New Orleans? Minnesota? Detroit? i mean shit man, we may be bottom half of the NFC.
D - bad division indeed. But it was a bad division last year and the year before. Hell Brady made a career out of being in a bad division.
This
If you look at this Bucs team and you say to yourself that they are a legit playoff/super bowl team BUT FOR MAYFIELD holding them back then you know NOTHING about football.
