Bowles has to defer to Canales. He just hired the guy to fix the offense and they have this competition. He can't then tell him which QB he wants him to use to do it. Bowles has to trust in his OC. Of course, it's a group decision blah blah, but in the end I think Bowles will go with whichever guy Canales wants. Now later in the year, if things aren't going well and Bowles is on the chopping block, he'll be more likely to stick his nose into Canales's business and demand a change.Bowles (any HC in his position ) Any bad head coach is NOT going to start Trask because we know what Mayfield is and we need to know what Trask is.
Fixed it for you.
If Trask continues to outshine and outperform Baker in camp and PS, then you start him. It's not rocket science.
If Bowles proceeds to start Mayfield because we "know what he is" (which is a below average QB), then Todd should've been axed along with his buddy, Byron.
If Bowles is on the chopping block, that doesn't mean Canales is. Canales's future isn't tied to Bowles. Canales needs to take that into account. He's trying to build something, and he can have more patience than Bowles. That could cause a conflict if it comes to the middle of the season and Bowles' seat keeps getting hotter. Of course we could have a winning season and it's all good then.
and who would Canales pick in his first stint as a Offensive Coordinator? A position that could lead to a head coach. Would he pick a former #1 overall pick, 28 years old and has thrown for over 20 touchdowns 3 times in his 4 seasons as starter for the Browns; two of those seasons with QBR of over 93 or does he choose the 25 year old who has been inactive for all but 1 game in his 2 year career.
Trask would have to be playing like Peyton Manning in camp for Canales to consider him over Mayfield. If the Bucs go 3-14, that's good for us getting a chance at a #1 QB; but woudl likely mean the end of Bowles; which would mean a new head coach, likely offensive minded and then Canales is back looking for a job.
He may not get another shot at OC if that's the case so if anything, this is working against Trask.
Would he pick a former #1 overall pick, 28 years old and has thrown for over 20 touchdowns 3 times in his 4 seasons as starter for the Browns; two of those seasons with QBR of over 93
I’m sure you didn’t mean to do so, but don’t forget his 52 turnovers during that time period. Or, the fact that since 2018, only 4 QB’s have turned it over more (while playing more games than Baker).
Trask would have to be playing like Peyton Manning in camp for Canales to consider him over Mayfield. If the Bucs go 3-14, that's good for us getting a chance at a #1 QB; but woudl likely mean the end of Bowles; which would mean a new head coach, likely offensive minded and then Canales is back looking for a job.
Cool story, bro.
But, unless the Bucs make a deep playoff run, Bowles won’t be here next year.
So, Canales should go with the best QB, regardless of name.
Hey Jameis Winston is a former #1 pick and he couldn't beat out Andy Dalton. Dalton was experienced, but Canales is going to go with who he thinks can win games or more accurately, not lose games. This is a defensive head coach who wants an offense that isn't going to hand the other team the ball in the red zone. Canales knows that. And so yes you would think the experienced QB would be the choice. And Canales as a new OC you would think he'd want the experienced guy who can say "Hey coach no offense but I don't think play XYZ is going to work here." But with all that said, if Trask is better then he should go with that. It wouldn't look good if Mayfield starts and plays like crap, then Trask comes in and plays decent. Then everyone will say "You should have put Trask in in the first place! You cost us five games!" And they'd be 100% right. The safest thing to do is to start the better QB period.Bowles has to defer to Canales. He just hired the guy to fix the offense and they have this competition. He can't then tell him which QB he wants him to use to do it. Bowles has to trust in his OC. Of course, it's a group decision blah blah, but in the end I think Bowles will go with whichever guy Canales wants. Now later in the year, if things aren't going well and Bowles is on the chopping block, he'll be more likely to stick his nose into Canales's business and demand a change.Bowles (any HC in his position ) Any bad head coach is NOT going to start Trask because we know what Mayfield is and we need to know what Trask is.
Fixed it for you.
If Trask continues to outshine and outperform Baker in camp and PS, then you start him. It's not rocket science.
If Bowles proceeds to start Mayfield because we "know what he is" (which is a below average QB), then Todd should've been axed along with his buddy, Byron.
If Bowles is on the chopping block, that doesn't mean Canales is. Canales's future isn't tied to Bowles. Canales needs to take that into account. He's trying to build something, and he can have more patience than Bowles. That could cause a conflict if it comes to the middle of the season and Bowles' seat keeps getting hotter. Of course we could have a winning season and it's all good then.
and who would Canales pick in his first stint as a Offensive Coordinator? A position that could lead to a head coach. Would he pick a former #1 overall pick, 28 years old and has thrown for over 20 touchdowns 3 times in his 4 seasons as starter for the Browns; two of those seasons with QBR of over 93 or does he choose the 25 year old who has been inactive for all but 1 game in his 2 year career.
Trask would have to be playing like Peyton Manning in camp for Canales to consider him over Mayfield. If the Bucs go 3-14, that's good for us getting a chance at a #1 QB; but woudl likely mean the end of Bowles; which would mean a new head coach, likely offensive minded and then Canales is back looking for a job.
He may not get another shot at OC if that's the case so if anything, this is working against Trask.
When it comes to protecting the football I think that IS a real factor that carries over into games. Winston was an INT machine in practice and gamedays he proved to be the same way. There's no doubt in my mind Mayfield is the same 52 turnover player today regardless of Trask "hype".
Don't care about how pretty he throws, this team has the best chance to win if we can get the qb who doesn't turn it over.
Start Trask
Bowles is a defensive minded head coach. Every one of these guys will ALWAYS pick the guy who can keep the ball on offense and occasionally make a play over the guy who can make more big plays, but has a penchant for turning the ball over to the other team. Defensive minded HC's absolutely hate it when their QB's make dumb turnovers. If Mayfield continues to throw picks through the Jets' practices and the preseason games, Trask WILL be the starter. Besides, I don't think Mayfield is going to make that many more big plays that Trask, as Trask has a history of taking the deeper routes when he thinks they are there.
Someone on twitter posted the stats for Mayfield vs Winston during their first 4 years. Mayfield had 56 INT's and Winston had 58. They also both had a fumbling problem though Winston lost 6 more in those 4 years than Mayfield (W 18 vs. M 12). The completion percentage and ratings were also identical. He's basically a shorter version of Winston. Nothing Mayfield has done has shown him to be anything but what we continue to see in practice and what he's done over the years.
Bowles has to defer to Canales. He just hired the guy to fix the offense and they have this competition. He can't then tell him which QB he wants him to use to do it. Bowles has to trust in his OC. Of course, it's a group decision blah blah, but in the end I think Bowles will go with whichever guy Canales wants. Now later in the year, if things aren't going well and Bowles is on the chopping block, he'll be more likely to stick his nose into Canales's business and demand a change.Bowles (any HC in his position ) Any bad head coach is NOT going to start Trask because we know what Mayfield is and we need to know what Trask is.
Fixed it for you.
If Trask continues to outshine and outperform Baker in camp and PS, then you start him. It's not rocket science.
If Bowles proceeds to start Mayfield because we "know what he is" (which is a below average QB), then Todd should've been axed along with his buddy, Byron.
If Bowles is on the chopping block, that doesn't mean Canales is. Canales's future isn't tied to Bowles. Canales needs to take that into account. He's trying to build something, and he can have more patience than Bowles. That could cause a conflict if it comes to the middle of the season and Bowles' seat keeps getting hotter. Of course we could have a winning season and it's all good then.
Bowles is going with the one that he thinks gives him the best chance to win. That should involve input from Canales.
They'll start the vet most likely. If he craps out Trask will go in.
Of course it's ultimately Bowles' call to make and most likely they'll both be looking at the same film and agree on the decision. But on the off chance that they disagree I think it would be smart for Bowles to defer to Canales. However, he may not, because perhaps he feels he was not hands on enough with the offense last year and got burned by it.Bowles has to defer to Canales. He just hired the guy to fix the offense and they have this competition. He can't then tell him which QB he wants him to use to do it. Bowles has to trust in his OC. Of course, it's a group decision blah blah, but in the end I think Bowles will go with whichever guy Canales wants. Now later in the year, if things aren't going well and Bowles is on the chopping block, he'll be more likely to stick his nose into Canales's business and demand a change.Bowles (any HC in his position ) Any bad head coach is NOT going to start Trask because we know what Mayfield is and we need to know what Trask is.
Fixed it for you.
If Trask continues to outshine and outperform Baker in camp and PS, then you start him. It's not rocket science.
If Bowles proceeds to start Mayfield because we "know what he is" (which is a below average QB), then Todd should've been axed along with his buddy, Byron.
If Bowles is on the chopping block, that doesn't mean Canales is. Canales's future isn't tied to Bowles. Canales needs to take that into account. He's trying to build something, and he can have more patience than Bowles. That could cause a conflict if it comes to the middle of the season and Bowles' seat keeps getting hotter. Of course we could have a winning season and it's all good then.
Bowles is going with the one that he thinks gives him the best chance to win. That should involve input from Canales.
guys....if Trask is playing better than Mayfield than yes, we are all in agreement.
but it's unlikely that is actually occurring.
if you believe what a coach says in training camp as anything other than politically correct, then i got some congressman (all) for you to listen too!
Coaches will utilize the media for their own purposes, but supposedly PR has been attending these practices that are open to the media anyway. They aren't going to sugar coat anything too much. But the preseason games will tell a lot more about Trask anyway. Mayfield is a known commodity. I don't think he's going to be bombing out in preseason games, nor will he do anything spectacular. But Trask will have to show that all this talk about the improvements he's making are translating to game situations. He'll have to show that he can rise above Mayfield's level.guys....if Trask is playing better than Mayfield than yes, we are all in agreement.
but it's unlikely that is actually occurring.
if you believe what a coach says in training camp as anything other than politically correct, then i got some congressman (all) for you to listen too!
oh no doubt.
so let's talk about Trask's path to becoming starter
game 1 - he will likely be second QB in the game behind Mayfield. He will need to light it up "bigly" as one would say. Coming out of this game with a 1-1 TD/INT ratio or offense putting up 3-14 points aint going to cut it. He will have to show he is a man amongst boys with the 2nd and third stringers! So he needs at minimum 2 touchdowns, 0 INTs; and offense 17-21 points in his time in the game. a tall task but not impossible.
game 2 - if that happens in game 1, he gets the first stringers in game 2. If Mayfield performs better than Trask in game 1, Mayfield likely is named starter and gets first string in Game 2. If they both perform the same, then Trask may get game 2 first stringers.
So in this game, he again would now have to show he belongs with the first stringers and needs a TD pass. Offense probably needs to put up 10-14 points.
i would assume a starter is named before game 3.
Bowles: “You always have margin for error, [but] no matter what you’re learning, you don’t want to turn the ball over. You’re going to learn certain things because we’re not going against each other from an install standpoint, so the defense will have some things on certain days and the offense will have some things on certain days. But, you don’t ever want to turn the ball over if you can help it – whether you throw it away, throw it in the dirt.
Some things you want to try out and get the kinks out and there’s a certain amount of time for that, but as you get closer to preseason and the season, you definitely don’t want to turn the ball over.”
I mean tell us how you really feel, Todd! Who's he talking to here? He's talking to Baker Mayflub as well as the fans, telling them he ain't happy with Mayfield, the guy who was brought in to be the veteran leader, but who has thrown seven INTs and two flubbed snaps. You don't ever want to turn the ball over, and he's done it nine times? And he hasn't even had the opportunity to fumble since QBs can't be touched or tackled. Yes Mayfield was brought in to be the starter, but that statement is telling Baker and everyone right now why he's going to start Kyle Trask. Trask is in the drivers seat right now going into the preseason games. Either Trask will screw up... ie turn the ball over... or Mayfield will play excellent football and win back the coaches trust. But we know the latter just isn't going to happen. Mayfield may play OK football, but he isn't going to blow the doors off. He's not capable of that. So in other words it's Trask's job to lose at this point IMO. At the very least this is a final warning to Mayfield.
Yeah, turnovers are a bad thing. Not only has Mayfield had 7 picks, he's had several picks dropped. It's Winston 2.0 out there. Having a front row seat to the Jameis debacle, and having to get his defense to try and recover from each of those picks (save the pick 6's) is surely going through his mind right now. If Trask plays mostly error free football and can at least sustain drives, he'll be the starter. Writing is on the wall.
If Trask outperforms Mayfield then name Trask the starter and cut Mayfield. Pretty simple.
