What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
I don't deny there are roster deficiencies. Which isn't entirely unexpected based off the cap crunch the last few years. Judging by a select few on this board lately, you would think we are the Jets and have the worst roster in the league.
Based on the players exit interviews its pretty clear most of the issues on defense point directly at Todd and his scheme.
We know Licht isn't the one making decisions on coaching. I think the hate needs to be directed at the Glazers, not Licht.
What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
there's no doubt the typical Buc Fan overrates Licht for the 2018 to 2021 time frame, but hey a Super Bowl does foggy things up. The four year prior to 2018 were brutal and grounds for dismal, but he also was the GM for arguably our most successful run in franchise history 2020-2025, 5 out of 6 playoff seasons, 1 Superbowl which matches the 1997 to 2002 run we previously had.
now, the drafts from 2021 and on remain to be seen and Licht's seat is likely warm but given the devastating history of this franchise, the Glazers likely keeping him around post Bowles firing in January 2027
Bowles, while a likeable and great guy, is not a good head coach. When you compare him to Dungy, Gruden, and Arians in their respective days, all of those guys ranked in the top 15, i.e. upper half of the league. Bowles is clearly in the bottom half and even had players come out and speak about his performance in Diaby and White. Like....the writing is on the wall for him and ownership didn't do enough change. Not forcing a DC is malpractice.
What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
I don't deny there are roster deficiencies. Which isn't entirely unexpected based off the cap crunch the last few years. Judging by a select few on this board lately, you would think we are the Jets and have the worst roster in the league.
Based on the players exit interviews its pretty clear most of the issues on defense point directly at Todd and his scheme.
We know Licht isn't the one making decisions on coaching. I think the hate needs to be directed at the Glazers, not Licht.
yeah exactly, the roster may not be Super Bowl caliber, but was easy playoff caliber
The big point is that Bowles lost the locker room
At 6-2, Bowles may get coach of the year
at 6-5, it's what we expected facing tough competition but with 6 winnable games, coming up, no reason we weren't 11-6, or 10-7 if we struggled.
well, we ended up 8-9 going 2-4 against lousy teams. That's unacceptable and has nothing to do with talent.
Bowles as coach and the Glazers as owners is a terrible combination, I'm glad he rejected us and I hope everyone else does the same. The Glazers chose Bowles over Canales, Coen, and Harbaugh. McDaniels no doubt saw what happened to Coen and Canales, both wanted to be head coaches but the Glazers chose Bowles, why would he think his fate would be better?
We're possibly the least desirable destination in the entire league. The Glazers have sent out the signal that winning is simply not a priority here, and Bowles sent out a signal that he absolutely will allow you to take the fall for his shortcomings as a HC, as much of our staff found out a couple of weeks ago.
We're a disaster and none of it is the least bit surprising.
The Bucs were never going to choose Canales over Bowles. Coen maybe but that isn't a slam dunk either.
Which is exactly why they need to sell the team to an ownership group that recognizes obvious, easy decisions like that. Todd Bowles is a bad coach, the league has passed him by. He's responsible for the weakest aspect of this team, the defense, and it never improves. Firing him was an obvious decision, replacing him with a young promising coach like Canales or Coen was just as obvious. None of this is complicated.
None of this is complicated.
maybe not, but it is fictional.
The 2023 season ends in the divisional playoff game and with the defense top 5-10 in scoring. There's no way the Bucs keep Canales and fire Bowles lmao.
What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
I don't deny there are roster deficiencies. Which isn't entirely unexpected based off the cap crunch the last few years. Judging by a select few on this board lately, you would think we are the Jets and have the worst roster in the league.
Based on the players exit interviews its pretty clear most of the issues on defense point directly at Todd and his scheme.
We know Licht isn't the one making decisions on coaching. I think the hate needs to be directed at the Glazers, not Licht.
It’s not the worst roster in the league but there are aspects I would consider an F: Edge rushers, iOL and TEs. ILB was probably a D.
The biggest problem with the defense is we can’t get to the QB with 4. He’s used a 1 and a 2 on edge rushers since 2021 and they both stink.
Logan Hall was a high 2 and he’s just ok. But the problem with the Hall pick is that the opportunity cost was Trey McBride.
I’m not giving him a pass for Mauch’s injury because he drafted a backup guard for this exact situation and he was so bad in year 2 they had to sign street free agents. PFF had Klein at a 37.
The center situation has been a disaster. Instead of doing a simple trade up to jump the Chiefs for Humphrey he stood still, ended up with Trask and Hainsey who are both gone. Then the problem got exponentially worse by taking Barton. He’s used a 1st and 3rd on centers and we still need a center. Best case scenario is Spytek likes Barton, we donk him off on them as part of the Crosby trade and Wirfs can convince Tyler Linderbaum to sign here.
None of this is complicated.
maybe not, but it is fictional.
The 2023 season ends in the divisional playoff game and with the defense top 5-10 in scoring. There's no way the Bucs keep Canales and fire Bowles lmao.
Canales was ehhh....and to your point, the defense was formidable in 2023. Dont think many were saying to keep Canales over Bowles. Coen was the game changer, right.
it was the defense deterioration in 2024 and then further slide in 2025 which was concerning, particularly with invested assets in 2025. I mean compare the 2025 defensive roster to 2024 defensive roster and clearly 2025 had more talent yet much worse product.
What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
I don't deny there are roster deficiencies. Which isn't entirely unexpected based off the cap crunch the last few years. Judging by a select few on this board lately, you would think we are the Jets and have the worst roster in the league.
Based on the players exit interviews its pretty clear most of the issues on defense point directly at Todd and his scheme.
We know Licht isn't the one making decisions on coaching. I think the hate needs to be directed at the Glazers, not Licht.
It’s not the worst roster in the league but there are aspects I would consider an F: Edge rushers, iOL and TEs. ILB was probably a D.
The biggest problem with the defense is we can’t get to the QB with 4. He’s used a 1 and a 2 on edge rushers since 2021 and they both stink.
Logan Hall was a high 2 and he’s just ok. But the problem with the Hall pick is that the opportunity cost was Trey McBride.
I’m not giving him a pass for Mauch’s injury because he drafted a backup guard for this exact situation and he was so bad in year 2 they had to sign street free agents. PFF had Klein at a 37.
The center situation has been a disaster. Instead of doing a simple trade up to jump the Chiefs for Humphrey he stood still, ended up with Trask and Hainsey who are both gone. Then the problem got exponentially worse by taking Barton. He’s used a 1st and 3rd on centers and we still need a center. Best case scenario is Spytek likes Barton, we donk him off on them as part of the Crosby trade and Wirfs can convince Tyler Linderbaum to sign here.
JC you love to bring up past drafts and players we "missed out on" as if the same cant be said for 30 other teams. Trade up for Creed Humphry, take Trey McBride instead as if there is a crystal ball before the draft.
I was completely happy as were most on this sub with taking Barton but now lets act like it wasn't a good pick on draft day.
Spare me the revisionist history.
Man we should had dumped Winston and drafted Patrick Mahomes!
Clearly the bonehead owners are culpable in this whole situation. They never should have extended Bowles. They rewarded a less than mediocre HC with a middling team in a less than mediocre division because "he won three straight division titles". Yeah right. So now after that 6-2 start to the 2025 season, the HC and his team fell flat on its face and finished the season 2-7 and lost the division on a tie-breaker on the last day of the regular season. So now the owners are too embarrassed to fire Bowles because they have egg on their face by prematurely extending a less than mediocre HC. So now the owners are on the hook for three years with this less than mediocre HC. And they're now desperately trying to hire a capable OC to take over this high powered offense of the Bucs. McDaniel flipped them the bird on the way out of town to LA. THE OWNERS FUCKED UP THIS WHOLE DAMN THING.
the 2025 defensive roster to 2024 defensive roster and clearly 2025 had more talent yet much worse product.
yes and because the defense fell apart, benching a star young safety etc. That's why I thought Bowles would be fired.
he wasnt though so time to get on with it, each in our own way!
they have egg on their face by prematurely extending a less than mediocre HC
lol I doubt the Glazers feel that way
Like every owner the Glazers make mistakes (e.g. Morris/Dom, Schiano) but they probably look at the extension of Licht and Bowles together as exactly the right move when it happened and they probably see last year as a bit of an anomaly (Bowles was 10-2 in December before last year) and they probably look at keeping him as erring on the side of caution, not being rash etc.
I say all that not agreeing with the move, especially the half in/half out approach with coaches
What's with the insane Licht hate around here lately as if he is the guy who hires the coach?
Because some of us see the roster inefficiencies that are preventing this team from winning.
I don't deny there are roster deficiencies. Which isn't entirely unexpected based off the cap crunch the last few years. Judging by a select few on this board lately, you would think we are the Jets and have the worst roster in the league.
Based on the players exit interviews its pretty clear most of the issues on defense point directly at Todd and his scheme.
We know Licht isn't the one making decisions on coaching. I think the hate needs to be directed at the Glazers, not Licht.
It’s not the worst roster in the league but there are aspects I would consider an F: Edge rushers, iOL and TEs. ILB was probably a D.
The biggest problem with the defense is we can’t get to the QB with 4. He’s used a 1 and a 2 on edge rushers since 2021 and they both stink.
Logan Hall was a high 2 and he’s just ok. But the problem with the Hall pick is that the opportunity cost was Trey McBride.
I’m not giving him a pass for Mauch’s injury because he drafted a backup guard for this exact situation and he was so bad in year 2 they had to sign street free agents. PFF had Klein at a 37.
The center situation has been a disaster. Instead of doing a simple trade up to jump the Chiefs for Humphrey he stood still, ended up with Trask and Hainsey who are both gone. Then the problem got exponentially worse by taking Barton. He’s used a 1st and 3rd on centers and we still need a center. Best case scenario is Spytek likes Barton, we donk him off on them as part of the Crosby trade and Wirfs can convince Tyler Linderbaum to sign here.
JC you love to bring up past drafts and players we "missed out on" as if the same cant be said for 30 other teams. Trade up for Creed Humphry, take Trey McBride instead as if there is a crystal ball before the draft.
I was completely happy as were most on this sub with taking Barton but now lets act like it wasn't a good pick on draft day.
Spare me the revisionist history.
Man we should had dumped Winston and drafted Patrick Mahomes!
If the draft is too complicated for you just say that. I wanted Humphrey at 32 and knew Barton would be shit.
If the draft is too complicated for you just say that.
lol, the guy who claimed to be a GM trying to belittle someone else. Biggs School of Troll
Winning this division in the past few years is not some sign of accomplishment. It's been regularly one of the worst divisions in football over the past few years.
I did the math and the numbers were telling since Bowles took over. It's bad. Real bad. Tallest midget. Why do you people like losing?
None of this is complicated.
maybe not, but it is fictional.
The 2023 season ends in the divisional playoff game and with the defense top 5-10 in scoring. There's no way the Bucs keep Canales and fire Bowles lmao.
It ended in the divisional round because on wild card weekend we beat a shitty Eagles team. You know, the team that completely collapsed the second half of that season? And I mentioned Coen as well, what's your excuse for letting him go? The Glazers fired Dungy two years after getting a historically bad team to the NFC Championship game. Now beating a shitty Eagles team, and losing every other playoff game of your career, is worth keeping your job?
This franchise has no standards and this is the best example of it anyone could possibly give.