Ok, let us look at the if we run theory. He had 4 games over 90 and 2 more over 80. I'd say 90 is my "good" line there First off, he had two good games vs ATL who allowed the AVERAGE opposing QB to have a 102 rating so his efforts in those are not shocking. He was over and below that average. In one of the games we were also blowing their doors off and ran 13 times in Q4 for example so we got a good rushing day AFTER Glennon passed all over them. We average .9 YPC vs Detroit and he had a 138 rating. SEA is the one good game versus a goo defense where we did run the ball well and he passed well but given what we know that is correlation not causation.
I would hypothesize that Glennon is capable of having a good QB rating with decent pass pro and decent slot options...both of which were sporadic last year. Not to say all the sacks were on the o-line as Glennon took some sacks he shouldn't have (rookie mistakes lol) but the Bucs under Schiano did focus more on five step drops (not as much as people believe in fairness to Sullivan).
Well he will likely get his shot in 2014. I don't see us getting a legit QB in FA or this draft....so I hope you Glennonites are right and I am wrong. I don't see us picking top 10 under Lovie, so I'm not sure what we do if Glennon is the back up I think he is. Guess we'd just have to hope we luck out and get one of these 2nd or 3rd round gems like WIlson or Kap.
I wasn't debating whether Glennon can be or will be an effective NFL starter, I was just disagreeing with the notion that a passer has to average 250+ passing yards for his team to be successful when there are four teams left in the playoffs with QBs that average less than that.In terms of Glennon, I don't think it's surprising that he performed poorly when pressured and performed well when he had time. He's a rookie, he's going to improve. I certainly don't know that he's going to be a good or great or amazing QB in the NFL, but my gut feeling after watching him this past year is that he's good enough to win with. I'm with a lot of people, though, that have been waiting their entire lives for the Bucs to have a truly great, franchise QB, so I'm definitely not opposed to trying to improve the position.
Well said....
The whole Glennon conversation is odd when you think many of the same posters who thought Sully should've been fired for his inept and ill-conceived offense also quote Glennon's stats in that "inept" and "ill-conceived" offense as if the stats are the definitive Gospel of Glennon. I mean, it is possible that Glennon is nothing more than what we saw in a partial rookie season under a failing regime, but talk about thin evidence for concrete predictions of the future.
More to FRGs point the QB makes players better. I don't think that the GB wide out are really all that good without Rodgers, same for NOLAs guys. We can't back on the All About 5 mindset where if he isn't perfectly protected and has studs at every spot he throws to then he is crippled. If Glennon gets better it will be because he gets better as a QB. The scheme will help, having some more options will help but ulitmately he wil rise or fall on his own merits not external forces.
Glennon is more than capable of being a solid #2 though.
Any frequent visitors of this forum should know how I feel. I in great detail tried to explain my problems with Sully's offense. I saw sparks of "wow, he's really good" and "wow, he's really bad" from Glennon this year. What I also saw was a team that looked poorly coached, had almost everything that could go wrong, go wrong, an offense that routinely shot itself in the foot with bad plays, a defense who dished out somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 1st downs by way of penalty and ultimately a QB who needed more help that he had.Glennon has no scramble ability, he can't "create" and I'm okay with that. But what happens when your a true pocket passer when you get confused? You get sacked or throw the ball away or force something and throw a pick. When Kaep gets confused he runs a 4.4 for a first down and is praised for making a great play when really he got confused.
Glennon averaged 200 yards per game which would have been fine in 2001 but in the year 2014 you need a QB averaging at least 250+ yards per game. If Glennon can pull it off it remains to be seen.
Colin Kaepernick averaged just under 200 yards per game. If you add in rushing yards, he's averaging 230 per game.
If you look at all the passing stats like TDs, Interceptions, yards, completion %, ect.....Kap and Glennon are almost identical in 2013. The difference? Kap ran for over 500 yards, 28 1st downs, and 4 TDs. Cam, Wilson, and Luck....same story. If Glennon could do that, his ability as a passer would be just fine. But he can't. So f we are going with a statue in the pocket, he's got to be an elite talent with outstanding passing stats. Otherwise we aren't going anywhere.
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Glennon averaged 200 yards per game which would have been fine in 2001 but in the year 2014 you need a QB averaging at least 250+ yards per game. If Glennon can pull it off it remains to be seen.
So ask yourself, would something as simple as just having Mike Williams back in the lineup as the #2 instead of Sky Dawson or Owusu, have made a difference of 50 yards a game?I'd honestly have to vote yes on that, even with the poor line and playcalling. There was just nowhere else to go with the ball on so many plays.
Glennon averaged 200 yards per game which would have been fine in 2001 but in the year 2014 you need a QB averaging at least 250+ yards per game. If Glennon can pull it off it remains to be seen.
So ask yourself, would something as simple as just having Mike Williams back in the lineup as the #2 instead of Sky Dawson or Owusu, have made a difference of 50 yards a game?I'd honestly have to vote yes on that, even with the poor line and playcalling. There was just nowhere else to go with the ball on so many plays.
Maybe, but you still have to consider: 1.) Tim Wright basically took over as the #2 receiver. So if you're going to give more plays to MW, you're taking away plays from Wright. Instead of Wright catching 571 yards and 5 TDs, with MW taking away touches he's probably around 300 yards and 2-3 TDs. 2.) Since Glennon does not push the ball down the field like Freeman, you're not going to get quite the same production we're previously accustomed to. Vincent Jackson went from 19.2 YPC in 2012 to 15.7 in 2013. Williams would probably similarly drop from his 15.8 YPC in 2012 to round 12 YPC. 3.) On his best day MW is not a player who gets a lot of separation, so if Glennon is holding the ball because he's not seeing receivers open, he may hold the ball just the same anytime MW isn't clearly open.
Glennon averaged 200 yards per game which would have been fine in 2001 but in the year 2014 you need a QB averaging at least 250+ yards per game. If Glennon can pull it off it remains to be seen.
So ask yourself, would something as simple as just having Mike Williams back in the lineup as the #2 instead of Sky Dawson or Owusu, have made a difference of 50 yards a game?I'd honestly have to vote yes on that, even with the poor line and playcalling. There was just nowhere else to go with the ball on so many plays.
Maybe, but you still have to consider: 1.) Tim Wright basically took over as the #2 receiver. So if you're going to give more plays to MW, you're taking away plays from Wright. Instead of Wright catching 571 yards and 5 TDs, with MW taking away touches he's probably around 300 yards and 2-3 TDs. 2.) Since Glennon does not push the ball down the field like Freeman, you're not going to get quite the same production we're previously accustomed to. Vincent Jackson went from 19.2 YPC in 2012 to 15.7 in 2013. Williams would probably similarly drop from his 15.8 YPC in 2012 to round 12 YPC. 3.) On his best day MW is not a player who gets a lot of separation, so if Glennon is holding the ball because he's not seeing receivers open, he may hold the ball just the same anytime MW isn't clearly open.
So what do you suggest we do with the QB position? Who's your guy?
So what do you suggest we do with the QB position? Who's your guy?
Unfortunately I can't predict the future, especially at this stage when none of the QB prospects have really been put under the microscope. It's not easy to find a good QB. In 7 years Gruden only had a shot at two great QBs and when longterm above average one. Sometimes circumstances conspire against you. It may be the case Glennon is the best option. But I know the Bucs have a high pick which is usually a good place to look so they need to do their due diligence on everyone.
I certainly don't know that he's going to be a good or great or amazing QB in the NFL, but my gut feeling after watching him this past year is that he's good enough to win with.
When you factor in salary cap he's a better value than alot of big name star quarterbacks. Over the next 3 seasons he only makes $2.6M total. QBs I'd take Glennon over....Eli Manning: 40.2M next 2 yearsStafford: 56M next 3 yearsBradford: 34.2M next 2 yearsRomo: 62.2M next 3 yearsCutler: 54M next 3 yearsRyan: 60.8M next 3 yearsPalmer: 22M next 2 years
Manning's 3 win rookie season was ok because of a lousy team. Matt Ryan's 4 win season just passed is ok because the team had a lot of injuries. Mike Glennon's 4 win season is unacceptable because an elite QB should be able to elevate the team around him despite the injuries and general suck of our offense and coaching staff.Red board logic at it's finest. You guys should just admit you have a favorite QB in the draft and will bash Glennon in any possible way to sway more people onto your player's wagon.
So what do you suggest we do with the QB position? Who's your guy?
Unfortunately I can't predict the future, especially at this stage when none of the QB prospects have really been put under the microscope. It's not easy to find a good QB. In 7 years Gruden only had a shot at two great QBs and when longterm above average one. Sometimes circumstances conspire against you. It may be the case Glennon is the best option. But I know the Bucs have a high pick which is usually a good place to look so they need to do their due diligence on everyone.
I just think this isn't the year to reach for a QB at 7 when there is only 1 guy worth being taken that high.We could take guys later and hope to strike gold. Another option is picking Murray or Mettenberger, let them recover and learn for a season and see what we got there.
