Nice self-quote. I apologize for thinking outside the box. Most teams in the league do work that way.... except for the Eagles. Their O-line snap count 92%, 86%, , 69% 81%, 79%. But that's just the Eagles. What do they know? I don't know whether there were injuries or whatever. But the highest guy is 92%.I envision Zabel backing up multiple positions so that they can decrease the snap count of multiple players on the O-line with no dropoff. Both guards had a snap count last year of 99%. Wirfs was about 90% and Goedeke about 80%. Zabel could get a snap count of about 15% at each of the four positions which of course equals a 60% snap count again.
Bredeson could be an expensive bridge player. His contract is really two years/$15 mil. The 3rd year is non-guaranteed. The Bucs don't like to start rookie tackles. Eventually Zabel would take over as starter and Bredeson would be the super sub.
Reducing the snap count to 80% for all starting G/T spots with no dropoff would allow the Bucs to continue to dominate the 4th quarter running game and be strong at the end of the season. And in time the Bucs could develop their own version of the tush push. Will Licht draft Zabel? Probably not. But if they do draft him it won't be to pass out water bottles.
Unlike Edge players, this isn't how Offensive Line snap counts work. If the starters are healthy, they play every snap - excluding blowouts. If your Offensive Linemen are rotating in and out of games, it's because you don't have good Offensive Linemen and you're praying one guy steps up.
We continue to see issues with not understanding with how the league works.
Yup.
Eagles finish the regular season as PFF's top-ranked offensive line: For the third straight season, Philadelphia is home to the NFL's most well-rounded offensive line.
I envision Zabel backing up multiple positions so that they can decrease the snap count of multiple players on the O-line with no dropoff. Both guards had a snap count last year of 99%. Wirfs was about 90% and Goedeke about 80%. Zabel could get a snap count of about 15% at each of the four positions which of course equals a 60% snap count again.
Bredeson could be an expensive bridge player. His contract is really two years/$15 mil. The 3rd year is non-guaranteed. The Bucs don't like to start rookie tackles. Eventually Zabel would take over as starter and Bredeson would be the super sub.
Reducing the snap count to 80% for all starting G/T spots with no dropoff would allow the Bucs to continue to dominate the 4th quarter running game and be strong at the end of the season. And in time the Bucs could develop their own version of the tush push. Will Licht draft Zabel? Probably not. But if they do draft him it won't be to pass out water bottles.
Unlike Edge players, this isn't how Offensive Line snap counts work. If the starters are healthy, they play every snap - excluding blowouts. If your Offensive Linemen are rotating in and out of games, it's because you don't have good Offensive Linemen and you're praying one guy steps up.
We continue to see issues with not understanding with how the league works.
Yup.
He thinks drafting a long-term solution at EDGE can wait until the 2nd round, because they wouldn’t start.
But, would draft a guard in the 1st round, who would play in blowouts.
Outstanding!
Nice self-quote. I apologize for thinking outsid the box. Most teams in the league do work that way.... except for the Eagles. Their O-line snap count 92%, 86%, , 69% 81%, 79%. But that's just the Eagles. What do they know? It's a copycat league. Ever heard of that old NFL saying?
You think the Eagles were rotating Offensive Linemen? Not that the starting OL missed time because of injuries and resting starters in their last game, but they were rotating in Offensive Linemen? lolz - none of the Eagles Offensive Linemen played all 17 games.
Look fella, I was trying to be gentle. But it's pretty clear you don't have any fuggin' clue as to you're talking about. Keep "thinking outside of the box" and proving you haven't a clue at how the league works.
Let me be even more clear. How about bullet points. Maybe that would help.I envision Zabel backing up multiple positions so that they can decrease the snap count of multiple players on the O-line with no dropoff. Both guards had a snap count last year of 99%. Wirfs was about 90% and Goedeke about 80%. Zabel could get a snap count of about 15% at each of the four positions which of course equals a 60% snap count again.
Bredeson could be an expensive bridge player. His contract is really two years/$15 mil. The 3rd year is non-guaranteed. The Bucs don't like to start rookie tackles. Eventually Zabel would take over as starter and Bredeson would be the super sub.
Reducing the snap count to 80% for all starting G/T spots with no dropoff would allow the Bucs to continue to dominate the 4th quarter running game and be strong at the end of the season. And in time the Bucs could develop their own version of the tush push. Will Licht draft Zabel? Probably not. But if they do draft him it won't be to pass out water bottles.
Unlike Edge players, this isn't how Offensive Line snap counts work. If the starters are healthy, they play every snap - excluding blowouts. If your Offensive Linemen are rotating in and out of games, it's because you don't have good Offensive Linemen and you're praying one guy steps up.
We continue to see issues with not understanding with how the league works.
Yup.
He thinks drafting a long-term solution at EDGE can wait until the 2nd round, because they wouldn’t start.
But, would draft a guard in the 1st round, who would play in blowouts.
Outstanding!
- I am not Jason Licht.
- I made my mock and stated that Jason Licht would probably not do it.
- Sheesh.
So just for funsies, lets assume for arguments sake that Licht will draft a player to play backup in 2025. What is a bigger area of need long term? Edge or O-line? Well, at edge we have Braswell and Diaby locked up on their rookie contracts. On D-line Everyone except Hall and Reddick are locked up through 2026. But Braswell is expected to take a huge jump and take over Reddick's spot. I asked about what first round prospect would have the size to be a good replacement at DE for Hall but didn't get any answers. Hall is upwards toward 300 pounds and the edge guys like Ezieruaku are mostly in the 240s. That's asking a lot to put on 50 pounds. So I'm still waiting on that response.
At O-line we have a huge problem coming up with Goedeke. Nobody seems to worry about it because Licht resigns every player he sets his mind to apparently. But Goedeke is going to command a high salary and tagging won't be a good option (probably around $25 mil for O-line next year). Dan Moore got 4 years 82 mil, 50 mil guaranteed with the Titans. So sure the Bucs want to lock Goedeke up, but they don't want to be hamstrung. And Bredeson can be looked at as a bridge player. His contract is really only two years for $15 mil.
Bottom line is that the long term need at O-line is just as big as D-line.
It's true the weren't rotating, but at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line. My idea to rotate in Zabel is because he is a rare player who could do it. That would be unusual and it isn't the way it's normally done, but it would save the O-line over the long term and perhaps reduce injuries and fatigue.Nice self-quote. I apologize for thinking outsid the box. Most teams in the league do work that way.... except for the Eagles. Their O-line snap count 92%, 86%, , 69% 81%, 79%. But that's just the Eagles. What do they know? It's a copycat league. Ever heard of that old NFL saying?
You think the Eagles were rotating Offensive Linemen? Not that the starting OL missed time because of injuries and resting starters in their last game, but they were rotating in Offensive Linemen? lolz - none of the Eagles Offensive Linemen played all 17 games.
Look fella, I was trying to be gentle. But it's pretty clear you don't have any fuggin' clue as to you're talking about. Keep "thinking outside of the box" and proving you haven't a clue at how the league works.
Look fella, I was trying to be gentle. But it's pretty clear you don't have any fuggin' clue as to you're talking about. PFF stats are OBJECTIVE and ESPN analytics are FACTS
Gentle
Let me be even more clear. How about bullet points. Maybe that would help.
Nah, you’ve moved the goal posts plenty, and walked back your original statement more than enough.
What is a bigger area of need long term? Edge or O-line?
It’s EDGE.
Not even sure how that’s a question, but forgot who I’m conversing with.
It's true the weren't rotating
I'll give you credit for the eating the shit sandwich you tried to serve multiple times. Kudos.
at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line.
You're assuming just because these backup OL played, that they played well. That's a faulty assumption. The main backup at OT was Fred Johnson, who had a horrendous PFF overall grade of 47.5. The main OG backup was Tyler Steen, who had an even worse PFF overall grade of 40.6. The Eagles have great starters, but their backups are shit - like most backup OL around the NFL. Again, this is something you should educate yourself on if you insist on talking about OL depth around the league.
What is a bigger area of need long term? Edge or O-line?
Short-term or long-term, the answer to this question is Edge. And it's not even remotely close. The two best Edge rushers on the team finished 5th & 6th on the team in sacks last season. How did the OL perform last season?
That's why Reddick is here and JTS is gone. You probably agree it doesn't matter who is getting the sacks as much as when they are getting them. As Bowles said "We have to do a better job rushing four". If their pressure comes from all kinds of stunts that leaves other areas exposed when they don't get the sack. Nevertheless you want your edge rushers to do what they are paid to do and that's get to the QB.It's true the weren't rotating
I'll give you credit for the eating the shit sandwich you tried to serve multiple times. Kudos.
at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line.
You're assuming just because these backup OL played, that they played well. That's a faulty assumption. The main backup at OT was Fred Johnson, who had a horrendous PFF overall grade of 47.5. The main OG backup was Tyler Steen, who had an even worse PFF overall grade of 40.6. The Eagles have great starters, but their backups are shit - like most backup OL around the NFL. Again, this is something you should educate yourself on if you insist on talking about OL depth around the league.
What is a bigger area of need long term? Edge or O-line?
Short-term or long-term, the answer to this question is Edge. And it's not even remotely close. The two best Edge rushers on the team finished 5th & 6th on the team in sacks last season. How did the OL perform last season?
Braswell's snaps declined in the last month, but Licht says he expects Braswell to step up. Well you can't step up if you are relegated to the bench because they draft someone else. So a lot depends on what the real story is with Braswell. Do the Bucs think he's going to step forward, or are they ready to move on from him already? Because if they draft an edge rusher in the first that is going to put Braswell on the back burner before they can find out if he's going to step up.
Do you think the Bucs are still counting on Braswell?
They better not be counting on him. He's shown us nothing
Then why not just trade him? If the Bucs draft an edge rusher in the first couple rounds they should just trade Braswell for a pick later on.They better not be counting on him. He's shown us nothing
Braswell played 25 snaps, 42%, in his first game. And for most of the season he played over 20 snaps in each game.. It was the Raiders game where he had statistically his best game with four solo tackles. Then they put him on ice. The last four games he played a total of 26 snaps, by far lower than the rest of the season. I get benching a player who isn't performing, but why did they put him on ice after statistically his best game where he had four solo tackles? Did he do something wrong? Perhaps the tackles were just fluky?
That's why Reddick is here and JTS is gone. You probably agree it doesn't matter who is getting the sacks as much as when they are getting them. As Bowles said "We have to do a better job rushing four". If their pressure comes from all kinds of stunts that leaves other areas exposed when they don't get the sack. Nevertheless you want your edge rushers to do what they are paid to do and that's get to the QB.It's true the weren't rotating
I'll give you credit for the eating the shit sandwich you tried to serve multiple times. Kudos.
at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line.
You're assuming just because these backup OL played, that they played well. That's a faulty assumption. The main backup at OT was Fred Johnson, who had a horrendous PFF overall grade of 47.5. The main OG backup was Tyler Steen, who had an even worse PFF overall grade of 40.6. The Eagles have great starters, but their backups are shit - like most backup OL around the NFL. Again, this is something you should educate yourself on if you insist on talking about OL depth around the league.
What is a bigger area of need long term? Edge or O-line?
Short-term or long-term, the answer to this question is Edge. And it's not even remotely close. The two best Edge rushers on the team finished 5th & 6th on the team in sacks last season. How did the OL perform last season?
Braswell's snaps declined in the last month, but Licht says he expects Braswell to step up. Well you can't step up if you are relegated to the bench because they draft someone else. So a lot depends on what the real story is with Braswell. Do the Bucs think he's going to step forward, or are they ready to move on from him already? Because if they draft an edge rusher in the first that is going to put Braswell on the back burner before they can find out if he's going to step up.
Do you think the Bucs are still counting on Braswell?
Coach Edwards was a big reason why JTS received so many snaps. That was a travesty as those snaps could have went to Braswell, Ramirez, Watts(when healthy). And Nelson showed in limited time he made game changing plays and deserved more playing time over JTS.
That is why Edwards was the worst coach on the Bucs squad last year and his recommendation to bring Gregory almost sunk the Bucs season. Good thing that Nelson was able to step it up a bit because the pass rush could have been much, much worse.
It's true the weren't rotating, but at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line. My idea to rotate in Zabel is because he is a rare player who could do it. That would be unusual and it isn't the way it's normally done, but it would save the O-line over the long term and perhaps reduce injuries and fatigue.Nice self-quote. I apologize for thinking outsid the box. Most teams in the league do work that way.... except for the Eagles. Their O-line snap count 92%, 86%, , 69% 81%, 79%. But that's just the Eagles. What do they know? It's a copycat league. Ever heard of that old NFL saying?
You think the Eagles were rotating Offensive Linemen? Not that the starting OL missed time because of injuries and resting starters in their last game, but they were rotating in Offensive Linemen? lolz - none of the Eagles Offensive Linemen played all 17 games.
Look fella, I was trying to be gentle. But it's pretty clear you don't have any fuggin' clue as to you're talking about. Keep "thinking outside of the box" and proving you haven't a clue at how the league works.
Zabel would straight up compete with Bredeson for a starting job. Bredeson wasn't anything special because there are guards on the Seahawks that would be better than Bredeson and they are fairly young and inexperienced.
Zabel is very, very good and then you have Klein so lets not be carried away and assume Bredeson has a starting spot locked up. Bredeson is perfectly fine as a backup guard/center if Zabel or Klein end up starting at LG.
Bredeson got bridge starter money. They had to bring him back or risk bringing in a far inferior player and waiting for the draft. But it was only a two year deal in reality. Bredeson would be an overpaid backup for sure, but that's the risk you have to take sometimes. They don't have to do anything in the draft, but the option is there. The other thing is negotiations with Goedeke. Having another option at RT would give the Bucs some leverage. Of course they want Goedeke back, but he could ask for upwards of $20 mil. And the franchise tag will be about $25 mil which is not an option.It's true the weren't rotating, but at the end of the day they needed the depth at O-line and they had it, and the Bucs do not have anything close to good depth at O-line. My idea to rotate in Zabel is because he is a rare player who could do it. That would be unusual and it isn't the way it's normally done, but it would save the O-line over the long term and perhaps reduce injuries and fatigue.Nice self-quote. I apologize for thinking outsid the box. Most teams in the league do work that way.... except for the Eagles. Their O-line snap count 92%, 86%, , 69% 81%, 79%. But that's just the Eagles. What do they know? It's a copycat league. Ever heard of that old NFL saying?
You think the Eagles were rotating Offensive Linemen? Not that the starting OL missed time because of injuries and resting starters in their last game, but they were rotating in Offensive Linemen? lolz - none of the Eagles Offensive Linemen played all 17 games.
Look fella, I was trying to be gentle. But it's pretty clear you don't have any fuggin' clue as to you're talking about. Keep "thinking outside of the box" and proving you haven't a clue at how the league works.
Zabel would straight up compete with Bredeson for a starting job. Bredeson wasn't anything special because there are guards on the Seahawks that would be better than Bredeson and they are fairly young and inexperienced.
Zabel is very, very good and then you have Klein so lets not be carried away and assume Bredeson has a starting spot locked up. Bredeson is perfectly fine as a backup guard/center if Zabel or Klein end up starting at LG.
If the Bucs draft an edge rusher in the first couple rounds they should just trade Braswell for a pick later on.
SMFH…
