When are they going to learn TODD BOWLES IS THE MAN! Everybody loves him. Nothing but love going on for Todd Bowles these days. And he hired a guy to help him call timeouts! He's does great Podcasts! All he does is win... the NFC South! There's nothing but love for Bowles going around... but oh no. That's not good enough for some people. We have to have drag up that old name once again.... Bill Belichick.
Evil Mike Florio has to dredge up that Bowles was on the hotseat last year and that Belichick only has a $1 mil buyout and that the Bucs would be the most logical landing spot for Belichick after this year. Because the Bucs need somebody who knows how to manage a NFL football game blah blah blah..... "We’re not saying Bowles shouldn’t keep the job. We’re jus trying to stay ahead of the curve. And the curve could indeed bend in unexpected ways in Tampa."
Well we know better here in Pewter Land! We know that the Glazers wouldn't fire a beloved coach just to get us over the hump! We know that we are steadfast fans and would never call for Bowles to be fired just because he has an itty bitty losing streak! Not our beloved Bowles.
And most importantly we need to tell everyone Todd Bowles is NOT on the hotseat this year! .... So just stop it, Florio.
Todd Bowles is mediocre coach at best.
He is not top 10
Now certainly the Eagles have showed that you can win a championship without a top 10 coach, but the talent on that squad is loaded. Most would rank coaches of the previous recent champs in the top 10 during their respective championship seasons - Reid, McVay, Arians, and Belichick.
There are games under his tenure as head coach where he has actually lost us the game.
That said, top 10 coaches don't grow on trees and i'm not suggesting to fire Bowles for....'Duuuuuuvaaaal' or potential other one year wonders.
My view is that the Bucs never should have made Bowles head coach but their hands were tired given the timing of Arians retirement. He had a shit 2022 season and i wanted him gone, but he has certainly earned his keep the last 2 years or maybe i would suggest he owes Baker quite the fruit basket as a thank you.
The Bucs will have a choice to make after this season. They will either extend Bowles or they will fire him. They will not let him coach the 2026 season as a lame duck coach.
Bowles is not in jeopardy of being fired mid year this year, and while he doesnt enter the season on the hot seat, it's certainly an uncomfortable seat to say the least.
If the Bucs miss the playoffs, and no catastrophic injuries to say QB position, then he is fired come January 2026. Injury or not, time may have run it's course but he'd have atleast a bargaining chip for an excuse.
If the Bucs have another 9,10 win year, sneak into the playoffs because of a weak division and get bounced in the first round...in potentially another game they are favored to win, then he is probably 75% chance fired come January 2026. At a certain point, house money can no longer be used and the Bucs now have expectations to win.
If the Bucs make the playoffs and win a playoff game, but then get bounced, circa 2023 season, then i think they extend Bowles.
Bowles is the most intriguing head coach because he's already a top 5 head coach in our franchise history making the playoffs in 3 straight seasons to start his tenure but he's done it with basically a .500 record. In the last 2 years, he's had hot starts to the year, followed by significant losing streaks mid year, then finished the year with significant winning streaks.
The Bucs certainly like stability so Bowles has that going for him, but the expectations are much higher now then they were 2 years ago in first season post Brady. He's got a bonified top 10 QB, elite weapons on offense, and they retooled the defense this off-season. They need to win a playoff game for him to have a legitimate chance to stick...i'd say that's some pressure.
When are they going to learn TODD BOWLES IS THE MAN! Everybody loves him. Nothing but love going on for Todd Bowles these days. And he hired a guy to help him call timeouts! He's does great Podcasts! All he does is win... the NFC South! There's nothing but love for Bowles going around... but oh no. That's not good enough for some people. We have to have drag up that old name once again.... Bill Belichick.
if Belichick became the Bucs head coach, it would all but prove simulation theory
i mean come on guys, too on the nose there...Brady V Belichick has always been the debate, Brady joins Tampa and wins; Bill joins Tampa and......
shit sign me up.
The Bucs will have a choice to make after this season. They will either extend Bowles or they will fire him. They will not let him coach the 2026 season as a lame duck coach.
Exactly
Yes Bowles is popular with the fans and yet what's the over/under losing streak for those same fans calling for his head? I'd say if a losing streak goes to three games the fans will be more than willing to throw Bowles under the bus. Even though he has yet another OC to train. But Griz the Whiz was his choice. He owns that. What about Licht? When will his loyalty to Bowles end? Is there a secret deal for Bowles to retire after this year regardless? Or will the Glazers once again have to override the GM as they did hiring Gruden? So many questions about this upcoming year, but one question can be answered right now. As others have just mentioned.....The Bucs will have a choice to make after this season. They will either extend Bowles or they will fire him. They will not let him coach the 2026 season as a lame duck coach.
Exactly
Bowles is firmly on the hotseat this year.
Bowles is literally fighting for a contract extension or he will retire on his own
Yes Bowles is popular with the fans and yet what's the over/under losing streak for those same fans calling for his head? I'd say if a losing streak goes to three games the fans will be more than willing to throw Bowles under the bus. Even though he has yet another OC to train. But Griz the Whiz was his choice. He owns that. What about Licht? When will his loyalty to Bowles end? Is there a secret deal for Bowles to retire after this year regardless? Or will the Glazers once again have to override the GM as they did hiring Gruden? So many questions about this upcoming year, but one question can be answered right now. As others have just mentioned.....The Bucs will have a choice to make after this season. They will either extend Bowles or they will fire him. They will not let him coach the 2026 season as a lame duck coach.
Exactly
Bowles is firmly on the hotseat this year.
The thing about Bowles is that he is often up against pre-conceived phantoms. You see it right here on the Red Board every season.
Many fans seem to judge him through their own lens, things like misplaced post-Super Bowl expectations ("he killed Tom Brady") in 2022, to his RACE (he's been called a DEI candidate on these boards), to a modernist view of the NFL (ie, teams need an offensive genius as a HC or analytics say always go for it on 4th).
He is a good coach and actually a very good coach for this moment and for the Bucs current situation (transition through dead cap post-Super Bowl). It's why the Bucs reportedly love him.
He's good. He's not great . . but he's definitely not a white guy under 30 who believes the NFL is a passing league and who takes directions on timeouts and 4th down from an egghead named Spencer who once won a Madden championship. He's a relatively old school defensive head coach who is a PLAYERS coach and he successfully navigated a shitty situation handed to him by his mentor, Arians, to lead the team to division titles and playoffs
And . . in the words of Licht has done well with what he has had to work with.
But, to many fans "thats just because the division is shitty" . . even though we beat the Eagle or the Lions . .
By the way, in another thread fans are warned that the team THIS SEASON is not as talented as they expected if they end up with UFAs and 7th round picks playing. . .
That was close to the starting line up of our defensive back field many weeks LAST SEASON lol. . . but Bowles was to blame.
Because . . injuries don't matter (old school football fan pablum)
Funny stuff because there is usually no middle ground. Those who hated Bowles in 2022 are still at it in 2025 . . arguments twisting like pretzels all the way. Bowles was forcing Canales to run (lol) when the running wasn't working well . . COEN gets credit for running MORE. . . when it is working.
Yes Bowles is popular with the fans and yet what's the over/under losing streak for those same fans calling for his head? I'd say if a losing streak goes to three games the fans will be more than willing to throw Bowles under the bus. Even though he has yet another OC to train. But Griz the Whiz was his choice. He owns that. What about Licht? When will his loyalty to Bowles end? Is there a secret deal for Bowles to retire after this year regardless? Or will the Glazers once again have to override the GM as they did hiring Gruden? So many questions about this upcoming year, but one question can be answered right now. As others have just mentioned.....The Bucs will have a choice to make after this season. They will either extend Bowles or they will fire him. They will not let him coach the 2026 season as a lame duck coach.
Exactly
Bowles is firmly on the hotseat this year.
The thing about Bowles is that he is often up against pre-conceived phantoms. You see it right here on the Red Board every season.
Many fans seem to judge him through their own lens, things like misplaced post-Super Bowl expectations ("he killed Tom Brady") in 2022, to his RACE (he's been called a DEI candidate on these boards), to a modernist view of the NFL (ie, teams need an offensive genius as a HC or analytics say always go for it on 4th).
He is a good coach and actually a very good coach for this moment and for the Bucs current situation (transition through dead cap post-Super Bowl). It's why the Bucs reportedly love him.
He's good. He's not great . . but he's definitely not a white guy under 30 who believes the NFL is a passing league and who takes directions on timeouts and 4th down from an egghead named Spencer who once won a Madden championship. He's a relatively old school defensive head coach who is a PLAYERS coach and he successfully navigated a shitty situation handed to him by his mentor, Arians, to lead the team to division titles and playoffs
And . . in the words of Licht has done well with what he has had to work with.
But, to many fans "thats just because the division is shitty" . . even though we beat the Eagle or the Lions . .
By the way, in another thread fans are warned that the team THIS SEASON is not as talented as they expected if they end up with UFAs and 7th round picks playing. . .
That was close to the starting line up of our defensive back field many weeks LAST SEASON lol. . . but Bowles was to blame.
Because . . injuries don't matter (old school football fan pablum)
Funny stuff because there is usually no middle ground. Those who hated Bowles in 2022 are still at it in 2025 . . arguments twisting like pretzels all the way. Bowles was forcing Canales to run (lol) when the running wasn't working well . . COEN gets credit for running MORE. . . when it is working.
Those early season wins were overshadowed by the losses to the Falcons. Getting swept by the Falcons by all rights should have eliminated us. We depended on the kindness of the Falcons to gift us the division. Injuries killed us, but the lack of depth I put on Bowles. He didn't make the request to Licht to find better depth players from the waiver wire or somewhere. Instead he showed his fierce loyalty both with the roster and the practice squad to the guys who went through training camp with him. That could have cost us the season because the depth guys we had on defense struggled. How do I know Bowles didn't request upgrades? Because if he did Licht would have gotten them IMO.. even though we beat the Eagle or the Lions . .
Once again I predict that our final 53 and practice squad will consist almost totally of the guys who are on the roster right now. In fact Bowles has already shockingly said the deepest position on the team is linebacker. OK. We'll see. Bowles' loyalty to his players and coaches is a big reason why they love him, but it is also a big limitation IMO because if you are going to go for a Superbowl you have to make the moves to get you there. We'll see. Of course the 2025 script has yet to be written.
Certainly fair points. I woukd only question whether you're seeing player loyalty as much as scheme experience. Maybe this is another roundabout criticism of Bowles but I think maybe you're describing loyalty to scheme experience because the scheme is so many moving parts.
could be wrong
