what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
The reality is you can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission.
why not? where is that written? i can't seem to find that information.here is what i found on it ... you are either a head coach or an assistant coach, no other title matters. So being hired as an OC by one team when you were a QB coach is the same as being hired as an OC by one team when you were already an OC. it is going from an assistant coaching position to another assistant coaching positionMISCELLANEOUSTWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an AssistantCoach, regardless of what title a team may give it’s coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.ASSISTANT COACHES • Under no circumstances may an Assistant Coach contract contain a Right of First Refusal in favor of his employer club. LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES • Assistant coach – to – Non Head Coach opportunities o Note: “promotions” to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period. • Teams retain exclusive rights to an Assistant Coach who just completed the final season under contract until: o The Tuesday following15 days after the final Monday Night Football game of the regular season, if the Assistant Coaches team is not in the playoffs o The 3rd Tuesday after the Assistant Coaches final playoff game (including Super Bowl), but in no event later than the expiration date in the coaches contract. o This 3 week exclusivity period CAN be waived by the coach’s team. Lateral MoveAn NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach who is under contract as an assistant with another team for the following season without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere, but the current team is not required to give permission.
I can not find anywhere where it states that a team can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission. he is an assistant coach and if the team gives permission he can be hired as an assistant coach with another team.For chrissakes dude, hiring one team's OC to be your OC is a lateral move and cannot be done. What you posted says that about a half-dozen times.
honestly, where does it say it? i'm not trying to be difficult but the rule is you are either a head coach or an assistant coach so if this lateral move rule is true then you couldn't even hire a QB coach to be a OC. it states that you can not do it WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF HIS CURRENT ORGANIZATION. i don't see where it says you just plan outright can not do it. please show me where it does say that.
again, more information for you"However, teams can block their assistants from interviewing for "lateral" moves. While that rule makes some sense, as teams don't want their former coaches poaching talent from their staffs, the definition of a "lateral" move is far too limiting. The NFL does not distinguish between a position coach and a coordinator, meaning that a quarterback coach can be blocked from becoming another team's offensive coordinator, as the league sees that as a lateral move. "it states teams can block lateral moves, not that a lateral move is against any rule. if you know differently then please let me know .... for christ sakes
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
The reality is you can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission.
why not? where is that written? i can't seem to find that information.here is what i found on it ... you are either a head coach or an assistant coach, no other title matters. So being hired as an OC by one team when you were a QB coach is the same as being hired as an OC by one team when you were already an OC. it is going from an assistant coaching position to another assistant coaching positionMISCELLANEOUSTWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an AssistantCoach, regardless of what title a team may give it’s coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.ASSISTANT COACHES • Under no circumstances may an Assistant Coach contract contain a Right of First Refusal in favor of his employer club. LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES • Assistant coach – to – Non Head Coach opportunities o Note: “promotions” to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period. • Teams retain exclusive rights to an Assistant Coach who just completed the final season under contract until: o The Tuesday following15 days after the final Monday Night Football game of the regular season, if the Assistant Coaches team is not in the playoffs o The 3rd Tuesday after the Assistant Coaches final playoff game (including Super Bowl), but in no event later than the expiration date in the coaches contract. o This 3 week exclusivity period CAN be waived by the coach’s team. Lateral MoveAn NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach who is under contract as an assistant with another team for the following season without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere, but the current team is not required to give permission.
I can not find anywhere where it states that a team can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission. he is an assistant coach and if the team gives permission he can be hired as an assistant coach with another team.For chrissakes dude, hiring one team's OC to be your OC is a lateral move and cannot be done. What you posted says that about a half-dozen times.
honestly, where does it say it? i'm not trying to be difficult but the rule is you are either a head coach or an assistant coach so if this lateral move rule is true then you couldn't even hire a QB coach to be a OC. it states that you can not do it WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF HIS CURRENT ORGANIZATION. i don't see where it says you just plan outright can not do it. please show me where it does say that.
Of course there's a hypothetical reality in which one team can willingly let its offensive coordinator go to another team, just like there's a hypothetical reality the Colts could trade Andrew Luck for Tiquan Underwood, but there's an actual reality that says neither of those things are likely to happen.
Of course there's a hypothetical reality in which one team can willingly let its offensive coordinator go to another team, just like there's a hypothetical reality the Colts could trade Andrew Luck for Tiquan Underwood, but there's an actual reality that says neither of those things are likely to happen.
so what you are saying is that an OC can be hired away by another team to be their OC, even if he is under contract as long as his current organization gives permission. how often that happens or how real of a chance there is of it happening is not what is in question but the fact that it CAN HAPPEN is what is being questioned. and you answered that. now, what is the harm in asking for permission. the worst that can happen is that team says no and you move on. if the team says yes then who knows, maybe the stars align and this time next year we are discussing the upcoming playoff matchup for the Bucs. you don't know until you try.
Of course there's a hypothetical reality in which one team can willingly let its offensive coordinator go to another team, just like there's a hypothetical reality the Colts could trade Andrew Luck for Tiquan Underwood, but there's an actual reality that says neither of those things are likely to happen.
so what you are saying is that an OC can be hired away by another team to be their OC, even if he is under contract as long as his current organization gives permission. how often that happens or how real of a chance there is of it happening is not what is in question but the fact that it CAN HAPPEN is what is being questioned. and you answered that. now, what is the harm in asking for permission. the worst that can happen is that team says no and you move on. if the team says yes then who knows, maybe the stars align and this time next year we are discussing the upcoming playoff matchup for the Bucs. you don't know until you try.
Why stop at Andrew Luck? Why not Tiquan Underwood for Drew Brees? Bobby Rainey for Adrian Peterson? Eric Page for Calvin Johnson? You never know until you try.
All you have to do is woo them. Happens all the time.
Of course there's a hypothetical reality in which one team can willingly let its offensive coordinator go to another team, just like there's a hypothetical reality the Colts could trade Andrew Luck for Tiquan Underwood, but there's an actual reality that says neither of those things are likely to happen.
so what you are saying is that an OC can be hired away by another team to be their OC, even if he is under contract as long as his current organization gives permission. how often that happens or how real of a chance there is of it happening is not what is in question but the fact that it CAN HAPPEN is what is being questioned. and you answered that. now, what is the harm in asking for permission. the worst that can happen is that team says no and you move on. if the team says yes then who knows, maybe the stars align and this time next year we are discussing the upcoming playoff matchup for the Bucs. you don't know until you try.
Why stop at Andrew Luck? Why not Tiquan Underwood for Drew Brees? Bobby Rainey for Adrian Peterson? Eric Page for Calvin Johnson? You never know until you try.
We've been going about it all wrong for years!
Why stop at Andrew Luck? Why not Tiquan Underwood for Drew Brees? Bobby Rainey for Adrian Peterson? Eric Page for Calvin Johnson? You never know until you try.
why bother taking chances right? play it safe, status quo. since it seems impossible we might as well not even put in the effort to try it. strive to be remarkably average! the Buccaneer way. why worry, we can just tear it down and start over in 2 years right? why bother trying for the best when we can settle for the eh, oks. besides, if the Bucs ever did hire a top notch HC/OC and started winning what would there be to whine and complain about here. it would be a ghost town.
Why stop at Andrew Luck? Why not Tiquan Underwood for Drew Brees? Bobby Rainey for Adrian Peterson? Eric Page for Calvin Johnson? You never know until you try.
why bother taking chances right? play it safe, status quo. since it seems impossible we might as well not even put in the effort to try it. strive to be remarkably average! the Buccaneer way. why worry, we can just tear it down and start over in 2 years right? why bother trying for the best when we can settle for the eh, oks. besides, if the Bucs ever did hire a top notch HC/OC and started winning what would there be to whine and complain about here. it would be a ghost town.
Dude, if a team has a top notch OC under contract, one that they were perfectly happy with and did not want to have to replace, why would they allow other teams to interview him for a lateral position on their team? Why would he even want to leave for a lateral position on a worse team? It's not about being afraid to take chances or playing it safe. It's about living in a little place called reality. What you are suggesting the team do would be an exercise in complete futility. A monumental waist of time and energy. An utterly pointless diversion. Am I being clear enough here?
it's been fun having an actual football conversation on here (it's been a while since that has been the norm, hopefully with a new HC (staff) hired this place can get back to more football talk and less name calling) i'm out for now, everyone have a great new years eve, make it a safe one.
Buggsy the Scarecrow still confused why consistently running on 2nd and 10 might be a troublesome tendency.So much so that he keeps bringing it up out of the blue. LMAO. Someone want to break out the crayons and construction paper for our lil slugger ?
Dude, if a team has a top notch OC under contract, one that they were perfectly happy with and did not want to have to replace, why would they allow other teams to interview him for a lateral position on their team? Why would he even want to leave for a lateral position on a worse team? It's not about being afraid to take chances or playing it safe. It's about living in a little place called reality. What you are suggesting the team do would be an exercise in complete futility. A monumental waist of time and energy. An utterly pointless diversion. Am I being clear enough here?
you are being perfectly clear in your point, the chances of it happening are slim to none but they can still happen (like say someone offering their whole draft allotment of picks as well as their #1 in the next years draft to move up to say draft Ricky Williams), that was my point. it can happen and in no way is it against any rule. to only target "available" candidates is short sighted and a sign that someone is ok with mediocrity. i am tired of the Bucs being mediocre year in and year out.either way, have a great holiday
Hey guys, this thread cuts down to about 5 pages after you hide all of bill-kir's idiotic comments. You should try it!
Buggsy the Scarecrow still confused why consisting running on 2nd and 10 might be a troublesome tendency.So much so that he keeps bringing it up out of the blue. LMAO. Someone want to break out the crayons and construction paper for our lil slugger ?
Since simpletons like yourself started perpetuating this myth of always running on second down for the last few games, I decided to look it up. Per the usual, you haven't got a clue:Game 15: The Buccaneers had 19 second downs in this game. They threw the ball 12 times and ran it 7 times, for pass/run percentage of 63%/37%.Game 16: The Buccaneers had 21 second downs in this game. They threw the ball 14 times and ran it 7 times, for a pass/run percentage of 67%/33%.Is that plain enough for you, slugger?
Buggsy the Scarecrow still confused why consisting running on 2nd and 10 might be a troublesome tendency.So much so that he keeps bringing it up out of the blue. LMAO. Someone want to break out the crayons and construction paper for our lil slugger ?
Since simpletons like yourself started perpetuating this myth of always running on second down for the last few games, I decided to look it up. Per the usual, you haven't got a clue:Game 15: The Buccaneers had 19 second downs in this game. They threw the ball 12 times and ran it 7 times, for pass/run percentage of 63%/37%.Game 16: The Buccaneers had 21 second downs in this game. They threw the ball 14 times and ran it 7 times, for a pass/run percentage of 67%/33%.Is that plain enough for you, slugger?
Don't you dare present facts to get in the way of his delusions.
