Dirk Koetter in Atlanta has had a similar trajectory. He coached in college the first 22 years of his career, culminating in an unremarkable 6-year run as head coach at Arizona State. He then spent 5 years as OC for Jacksonville and just finished his second year with the Falcons. Despite major injuries and one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL, Atlanta just had the #14 total offense after being #8 the year before.
I don't want Tampa to be to Tedford what Jacksonville was to Koetter.
Jacksonville had the #7 total offense in 2007, Koetter's first year.
Cam Cameron could probably be had as OC. he has a solid NFL resume.
i can't get excited for "coulds" and "shoulds", Schiano's teams could have and should have been better. I would rather hear "with so-and-so on board the offense will flourish" rather than "if so-and-so's scheme can translate the offense could flourish"
There are no sure things. Everyone available has failed at some time and been fired or never done what we'd be hiring him for.
they should not be looking at only available coaches, they should be looking at everyone and seeing who would be best for what they want to accomplish. if the coach is not available that shouldn't stop them from trying to lure him away from what ever team and get him to Tampa. (unless of course that team doesn't allow him to talk to the Bucs) They don't need to hire someone who failed, they could hire someone who is succeeding right now. bring someone in that is a proven commodity. commit to winning not to trying!
You can't "lure" coaches that have contracts with other teams.
i believe it that teams give the person the OK to talk with another team then it is legal, i could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure coaches have left coaching staffs before to move on to other teams. even though you can not trade picks for a coach anymore, Gruden was under contract with the Raiders when he came to Tampa. Also if i remember correctly, didn't Schiano want to interview someone on the Cardinal's staff but was denied?
Bill_Kir, please give me your list of proven NFL OC that will be available for hire at the OC spot.
why do they need to be available? why can the Bucs not lure someone away from another team? why do we insist that the Bucs have to settle for anything? settling got them Morris and Schiano.
Because contracts exist and are legally binding.
really? a coach/assistant has never interviewed with and/or left for another team while still under contract with someone?
i can't get excited for "coulds" and "shoulds", Schiano's teams could have and should have been better. I would rather hear "with so-and-so on board the offense will flourish" rather than "if so-and-so's scheme can translate the offense could flourish"
There are no sure things. Everyone available has failed at some time and been fired or never done what we'd be hiring him for.
they should not be looking at only available coaches, they should be looking at everyone and seeing who would be best for what they want to accomplish. if the coach is not available that shouldn't stop them from trying to lure him away from what ever team and get him to Tampa. (unless of course that team doesn't allow him to talk to the Bucs) They don't need to hire someone who failed, they could hire someone who is succeeding right now. bring someone in that is a proven commodity. commit to winning not to trying!
You can't "lure" coaches that have contracts with other teams.
i believe it that teams give the person the OK to talk with another team then it is legal, i could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure coaches have left coaching staffs before to move on to other teams. even though you can not trade picks for a coach anymore, Gruden was under contract with the Raiders when he came to Tampa. Also if i remember correctly, didn't Schiano want to interview someone on the Cardinal's staff but was denied?
Yes, Schiano wanted to interview a QB COACH to come work as an OC.Name me an OC currently not under contract that is a proven, successful NFL OC.
Bill_Kir, please give me your list of proven NFL OC that will be available for hire at the OC spot.
why do they need to be available? why can the Bucs not lure someone away from another team? why do we insist that the Bucs have to settle for anything? settling got them Morris and Schiano.
Because contracts exist and are legally binding.
really? a coach/assistant has never interviewed with and/or left for another team while still under contract with someone?
need permission and its become the norm lately IMO that most teams don't want their staffs raided and deny. Tampa maybe even started this trend.
Bill_Kir, please give me your list of proven NFL OC that will be available for hire at the OC spot.
why do they need to be available? why can the Bucs not lure someone away from another team? why do we insist that the Bucs have to settle for anything? settling got them Morris and Schiano.
Because contracts exist and are legally binding.
really? a coach/assistant has never interviewed with and/or left for another team while still under contract with someone?
The head coach for the other team has to grant permission and it can't be a lateral move, i.e. you can't hire another team's offensive coordinator to be your offensive coordinator. You have to hire the other team's QB or WR coach and give him a promotion to be your offensive coordinator.
We found out how hard it is to get permission 2 seasons ago when Schi was trying to build his staff.
Name me an OC currently not under contract that is a proven, successful NFL OC.
Cam Cameron. statistically he is one of the winningest OC there is.
Bill_Kir, please give me your list of proven NFL OC that will be available for hire at the OC spot.
why do they need to be available? why can the Bucs not lure someone away from another team? why do we insist that the Bucs have to settle for anything? settling got them Morris and Schiano.
Because contracts exist and are legally binding.
really? a coach/assistant has never interviewed with and/or left for another team while still under contract with someone?
For lateral moves, it would be very outside of the norm. Position coaches getting promoted to a coordinator position is obviously a different story, but even there, teams are less inclined to allow it than they used to. And they still wouldn't be someone who was "succeeding now" as an OC.
Name me an OC currently not under contract that is a proven, successful NFL OC.
Cam Cameron. statistically he is one of the winningest OC there is.
I'm not sure if you can consider the 1-15 Dolphin HC and the guy who got fired from the Ravens which led them to go on an offense tear to win the Super Bowl as someone who is successful
as a HC he sucked but we are talking about him as a OC. look it up. I think he might be the winningest OC of the modern era. also developed 3 legit NFL QBs.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.so back to my original point, why are people willing to accept the Bucs settle for someone rather then trying to get the best. it shouldn't matter if the person is under contract, already an OC somewhere, or has expressed no interest in leaving where he is at. I still can not get excited over someone who hasn't done much in college (system QBs, average O rankings, no champions) being sold that he might work out in the NFL and his system could possible succeed at the NFL level.if in some bizarro universe the 2013 season ended with the Bucs winning the super bowl and their very successful coach of 10 years retired as well as their OC, would people really be happy with the name Jeff Tedford being talked about as the new OC? i can't believe that many would be. They would want someone who was seen as a super bowl caliber coach / OC and that is exactly what the Bucs should be looking for this time around, not just an improvement on the previous coaching staff.
some stuff on Cam Cameron .."Although he was fired by the Ravens, who then went on to win the Super Bowl last month in New Orleans, Cameron was highly productive in developing Flacco. He is the NFL's winningest offensive coordinator during the past five years (58-28) and received a souvenir football from the club for his 100th victory as an NFL offensive coordinator. Ravens' Coach John Harbaugh thought enough of him to order a Super Bowl ring.""Success came quickly after Indiana when he hooked up with Brees as offensive coordinator in San Diego in 2002. The Chargers went 12-4 in 2004 and scored 446 points as Cameron was named Offensive Assistant of the Year by Sports Illustrated. In 2006 the Chargers went 14-2 and scored a franchise-record 492 points led by Brees and running back LaDanian Tomlinson.Cameron had a strong hand in developing Brees, who worked four of his first five years in the league with Cameron. In that span he passed for more than 12,000 yards and 79 touchdowns and was named to the Pro Bowl.""After his year in Miami, Cameron went to the Ravens the same season Flacco joined them as a rookie out of Delaware. The low-key, strong-armed Flacco improved each season under Cameron's direction and became the first quarterback to win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons. By his third season he was the franchise's career leader in passing yards"
that is what the Bucs should be looking for this time around, someone who is proven, has some sort of track record in the NFL.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
