you put too much stock into your own opinions. It would behoove you to realize that.
Wasn't it your opinion in October 2023 that Mayfield should've been benched for Trask?
Gerald McCoy being a better Buccaneer than Simeon Rice is unfathomable. We all watched their careers. McCoy disappeared in big moments, Rice put the team on his back. You're either delusional or just arguing because it's me.
The media voting their favorites for All-Pro is causing the Hall of Fame to lose it's credibility. Under no circumstances should Zach Thomas be in over Ken Norton Jr but Thomas has the "awards" while Norton has a historic Super Bowl performance. If you did a blind resume comparing the careers of Jason Taylor and Simeon Rice, 9 out of 10 would pick Simeon Rice. But Taylor has a fake DPOY award while Rice was screwed out of a legitimate one.
There is opinion:
Gerald McCoy being a better Buccaneer than Simeon Rice is unfathomable. We all watched their careers. McCoy disappeared in big moments, Rice put the team on his back. You're either delusional or just arguing because it's me.
And then there is reality:
Here are the two player's accolades as Buccaneers, which is what the list was about:
McCoy: 6x Pro Bowl, 1x 1st-Team All-Pro, & 2x 2nd-Team All-Pro
Rice: 2x Pro Bowl, 1x 1st-Team All-Pro, & 1x 2nd-Team All-Pro
you put too much stock into your own opinions. It would behoove you to realize that.
Wasnt it your opinion that Canales would run an offense more like (McVay disciple)Waldron than like Pete Carroll?
Weird that Bucs players are talking about the challenges this offseason learning the new offense of (McVay disciple) Coen.
:-)
Rice should have been defensive player of the year in 2002.
Wrong.
The right person was selected.
Correct. Hall of Famer Derrick Brooks received 75% of the votes and won the award in a landslide, while another Hall of Famer (Jason Taylor) came in second place with 22.9% of the votes.
Simeon Rice didn't receive a single vote. Reality vs. Opinion.
On Rice, how many NFL teams have 5 or 6 HOFers from the same unit?
Steel Curtain has 5. Only difference between them and the Bucs is they had ELITE offenses to go with it. Bucs generally had crap 1996-2008. With a better offense they could have won in 1997, 1999, 2000 (what if Gramatica makes that kick in GB), 2005 and maybe 2007 and 2008.
Steel Curtain has 5.
I thought 4, but even at 5 we are talking about a 4 Super Bowl legendary "dynasty" defense. My point was that Rice going into the HoF would mean the Bucs defense from that era have equal or more HoFers than the Steelers defense?
seems unlikely.
I thought he Lewis-era Ravens defense had 2, maybe 3. Bears maybe 2?
Rice should have been defensive player of the year in 2002.
Wrong.
The right person was selected.
Correct. Hall of Famer Derrick Brooks received 75% of the votes and won the award in a landslide, while another Hall of Famer (Jason Taylor) came in second place with 22.9% of the votes.
Simeon Rice didn't receive a single vote. Reality vs. Opinion.
I mean, don't get me wrong. Simeon was absolutely ELITE that season.
But, Brooks was EASILY the DPoY in 2002.
Arguably the best season from a LB in modern NFL history.
As a Simeon Rice fan to me he was one helluva player and we were lucky to get him to complete the front four. Saying Gerald McCoy was better than Simeon is a stretch but I have mad respect for both of them.
@onebigdaddy Agree! Simeon was a force multiplier on one of the most dominant defensive front four to ever play the game. The Spaceman was a freak. He completed that front and was (and is) under-appreciated.
Rice was great and is under appreciated but agree with DH that Brooks was undeniably DPOY
Steel Curtain has 5.
I thought 4, but even at 5 we are talking about a 4 Super Bowl legendary "dynasty" defense. My point was that Rice going into the HoF would mean the Bucs defense from that era have equal or more HoFers than the Steelers defense?
seems unlikely.
I thought he Lewis-era Ravens defense had 2, maybe 3. Bears maybe 2?
The part of my post you deleted when you quoted obviously went over your head. The Bucs defense in the Kiffin era was better than the Steel Curtain. The difference in Super Bowls lies in the offenses. From 72-79 here were the Steelers' rankings in points scored: 5th, 4th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 5th, 1st. Here are the Bucs scoring rankings from 1996-2005: 23rd, 18th, 27th, 6th (But scored 3 points in playoff game), 15th, 18th, 23rd, 20th.
Bucs offense net points in playoff losses from 1997-2005
1997 @ GB 7 points
1999 @ STL 4 points
2000 @ PHI 0 points
2001 @ PHI -1 points
2005 vs WAS 0 points
