Licht better get off his ass this offseason and address the pass rush. He sat by and did squat last offseason while most of us said our pass rush wasn’t enough to compete. We all see how that played out.
I’d trade away some draft picks for Garrett. I’d also be for signing free agent Mack. We’re one of the few teams lucky enough to have a QB on a sweet deal, time to capitalize on that by adding key free agents is now.
Licht better get off his ass this offseason and address the pass rush. He sat by and did squat last offseason while most of us said our pass rush wasn’t enough to compete. We all see how that played out.
I’d trade away some draft picks for Garrett. I’d also be for signing free agent Mack. We’re one of the few teams lucky enough to have a QB on a sweet deal, time to capitalize on that by adding key free agents is now.
well yeah, i'd like to attribute last offseason to the lack of cap space. They had to priotize the key pieces - Mayfield, Evans, Wirfs, and Winfield.
everyone knew we lacked talent on defense and we actually got worse with departures of Davis, White, and Barrett
this offseason should be a re-signing of Godwin, maybe Brederson and then blitz the defense with the draft and a key trade or free agent signing or two. For edge, we should defiantly go with a known commodity
After we cut/trade Dean we'll have about 23 mil in cap space to play with...there's going to need to be several restructures in order to go after some bigger fish in FA. That said yes the edge certainly needs to be taken care of but I'd have a difficult time getting on board with trading multiple first round picks for a guy that we MAY get 3-4 good years out of at a premium as opposed to a cornerstone that could be with us for the next decade (same applies to Hutch and anything other high priced edge thats nearing 30). Licht has been amazing at talking to other GMs and agents at both the senior bowl and also the combine over the past several years(how we were able to get JPP and also Jensen I believe) So I trust him to be able to make something happen to shore up most of our weaknesses this offseason..I'm looking forward to seeing who gets brought in, and who gets their walking papers
Garrett wont be a buc if he cost 2 first we built our culture on homegrown guys who have loyalty. Gave more money to LVD than Wagner, we paid godwin after he got a torn acl, made AWJ (a safety?!) a top paid db because we believed in him. Its why when Coen treated us like a business it pissed us off. The team is built off of more than the business part, this is partially why the team has been able to stay tight and make the playoffs these past 2 "transition" years. These next few years is our superbowl years but the 2 first are too much with how we are built
Myles is a freaking monster who easily has another 5 years of greatness in him
2 1st's is peanuts when you imagine him lining up next to Vita Vea
Throw in Rashad White as bait while you're at it since the Browns also have no real #1 RB and won't be brining Chubb back and Ford is a pretender
2 first may be manageable. Really our Super bowl window is the next 3 years anyway so at the end of that Garrett may be butt cheeks but hell Evans, David, Godwin, Vea all gone or washed up by then anyway
if it's anything like the Khalil Mack trade - 2 firsts, a third and a 6th and in return got a 2nd and a conditional 5th. Mack was 27 at the time
so with Myles being a little older, maybe we can get away with just 1 first...but evne so if we get a second in return and Cleveland will continue to suck, that will be a high 2nd.
Bucs need to get better pass rush and the draft aint the answer so we almost have to do this or Crosby if we want to compete with the Eagles, Lions, and 49ers in the NFC. Otherwise we will be that playoff tweener type team lucky to win a game or 2
the issue remains, whats his contract look like? got a good 3 years left in him, then what?
then of course, is Tampa the team he is looking to win a championship with as while we are better than the Browns, we are still a longshot at a championship
So you'd give up 2 potential cornerstone players for the next 10 years for a guy who maybe has 5 years left( one rookie contract)? The other thing to consider is that M1k3 has come out and said that he probably only plays 3 more years so I would think that Mike likely gets an extension this offseason to open up some cap space and keep him here at least through the 27' season, but that said I think Tampa goes a similar route as to when Evans was drafted with Vincent Jackson. Next years first round pick is likely a WR that is similar in play and body style to Evans so that he can learn for a year or two before stepping in as the new #1 whenever Mike does ultimately retire. I'd also be curious to see Chubb get signed in FA (for a reasonable contract) as the thump behind Irving's make you miss running style(provided White is traded somewhere as part of a package deal).
So you'd give up 2 potential cornerstone players for the next 10 years for a guy who maybe has 5 years left( one rookie contract)?
I would, yes. Potential is just that - potential. Myles Garrett is a proven commodity and cornerstone at arguably the team's biggest position of need.
Think we can get both Hendrickson and Mike Green for the price of Garrett, both salary cap and draft capital costs. I would prefer the two vs Garrett.
So you'd give up 2 potential cornerstone players for the next 10 years for a guy who maybe has 5 years left( one rookie contract)? The other thing to consider is that M1k3 has come out and said that he probably only plays 3 more years so I would think that Mike likely gets an extension this offseason to open up some cap space and keep him here at least through the 27' season, but that said I think Tampa goes a similar route as to when Evans was drafted with Vincent Jackson. Next years first round pick is likely a WR that is similar in play and body style to Evans so that he can learn for a year or two before stepping in as the new #1 whenever Mike does ultimately retire. I'd also be curious to see Chubb get signed in FA (for a reasonable contract) as the thump behind Irving's make you miss running style(provided White is traded somewhere as part of a package deal).
Yes, given our super bowl window is limited, you do want to address the need. I'd prefer Crosby but either would be fine.
plus, let's look at our first round picks under Licht
2014 - Evans - Grand-slam home run!
2015 - Winston - Pop up to center field
2016 - Vernon Hargreaves - pop up to the catcher
2017 - OJ Howard - ground ball to second base
2018 - Vita Vea - 2 run Home Run!
2019 - Devin White - Ball is hit in the gap!, looking good...oh no, he cut it off, out at second base!
2020 - Tristian Wirfs - 3 run home run!
2021 - Joe Tryon Shoyinka - ground ball to pitcher, double play
2022 - Logan Hall (second round pick) - Lined out to third base
2023 - Calijah Kancey - HIT BY PITCH..he's down and hurt! (all kidding aside, still too early to tell, looking like a better one but i aint ready to call it yet)
2024 - Graham Barton - a safe RBI single! (again too early to tell but looking like a good piece to offensive line)
so what was Licht 3 for 9 prior to 2023? a 1 in 3 chance to actually have a cornerstone.
Yeah, Bucs aren't going to solve their pass rush issues through the draft, they need to get a proven commodity. If we can trade 2 first, but get a second back, maybe it's a high second with Cleveland being ass and we can still get a decent player next year.
Not even sure Myles Garrett wants to go to us to be honest. If he wants a championship on his resume, why go to a team that is like 9-8,10-7....that he could make 12-5....why not go to the teams already winning 12-14 games?
So you'd give up 2 potential cornerstone players for the next 10 years for a guy who maybe has 5 years left( one rookie contract)?
I would, yes. Potential is just that - potential. Myles Garrett is a proven commodity and cornerstone at arguably the team's biggest position of need.
While I generally agree that potential is potential, I'm still wary of a player who has peaked and the twilight of his career is coming sooner rather than later. The other side of that as has been mentioned is dude IS going to want a new deal. How much would that run, and would it hamper us from adding more pieces in the future to further improve the team while the window is open, and still have cash to re-sign or high priority FA's ? A first this year and a third next year and I'd be on board....2 firsts and a third I think is too much, unless we got a second round pick next year in return as part of the deal.
Why is the Bucs window limited? How many teams with elite offensive lines are ever bad?
@badabingbucs You're not wrong there have been some misses for sure especially early on, but there has been some solid picks as well over the past few years as you mentioned(some looking promising but too early to tell). I guess the point I was trying to make is I feel like with how Licht interacts at the senior bowl/combine that maybe he could get the next jPP or Shaq Barrett type signing or trade. I know that a lot of the best players Garrett,Crosby,Mack are all 29 an up and will command a top market salary,but linebackers do not generally have the shelf life of Brooks/David/Wagner and they generally start breaking down/losing a step around 33. So I'd rather try and find a good edge that's in the realm of 25-26 that is just entering his prime that can hang around and produce longterm, rather than a 3 maayybee 4 year merc for that draft and salary capital.
@jc5100 Because this isn't the 1980's-1990's anymore...Yes offensive top offensive lines are always a good thing, but outside of Baltimore you're not going to run the ball 85% of the time and be successful(no matter how hard you wish for it). Evans likely 3 years left, Godwin may or may not be back next year(i think if he doesn't re-sign before feb 27th he's not going to be re-signed as I don't see Licht paying his 18 mil dead cap for this year in addition to a new shiny 20 mil contract) Baker will still be in his prime, but will likely command a much larger salary once this one is up, or he may leave outright depending on how coaching plays out. too many variables to speculate on.
