CBS article projects three teams that would give two first round picks
CBS article projects three teams that would give two first round picks
it all depends on what the Bucs want to be
if they want to contend in the NFC, they go out and get a premier pass rusher like Myles Garett or Maxx Crosby. Otherwise, they are just being "cute" with 9-11 win seasons and lucky to win a playoff game
it was acceptable the last couple years due to the lack of cap space. Now that Baker has proven to be a franchise QB, and we still have some solid older talent playing at a high level, we should strike while we have an opportunity and quite frankly while the NFC is pretty damn weak.
With a few restructures, extensions, and cuts, the Bucs can easily fit Garrett into the fold along with Godwin.
Regarding draft capital, Bucs have a 1 in 3 shot of adding an impact player that will last. Garrett is 100% chance of impact player and will be a stud for the next 3-4 years. well worth it.
@maddoc White was absolutely a rare breed, but please correct me if I’m wrong..wouldn’t Garrett play as a standup pass rushing OLB in the 3-4 playing opposite of Diaby? Reggie was a hand in the dirt DE/DT..two totally different skill sets. And as it pertains to what FeelinDangerous said yes he likely won’t fall off a cliff at 30 it’s hard to see him still getting 10-15 sacks a year when he’s 34..not saying it can’t be done, but I would be surprised.
'When he's 34' is 5 years from now. let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32. No one is thinking "the only way we will trade for Garrett is if we think he's still getting 13 sacks/season at 35." Teams that are in the market for Myles are thinking "our window is now through the next 3 seasons. We don't get it done by then, we missed our window."
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
Obviously, any team has multiple needs if they are contending. having quality receivers is just another necessity. However, Hurts didn't become "elite" until AJ Brown showed up in PHI, that's just a fact. It took trading for AJ for PHI to get the the SB. And it wasn't a coincidence that Hurts didn't become a "great QB" until AJ showed up.
And when AJ was hurt, Hurts and the OL wasn't enough.
And, btw, TB's OL isn't elite. Wirfs is probably elite, but that's about it. Goedeke is good, not elite. Bredeson is probably a JAG. Barton might become elite, and I have high hopes for the kid, but he's a rook. Mausch (sp?) is a bit better than a JAG.
Besides, I have to take anything you post with a grain of salt, as aren't you the one that thinks the path to victory is running the ball 70 times in a row?
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
Obviously, any team has multiple needs if they are contending. having quality receivers is just another necessity. However, Hurts didn't become "elite" until AJ Brown showed up in PHI, that's just a fact. It took trading for AJ for PHI to get the the SB. And it wasn't a coincidence that Hurts didn't become a "great QB" until AJ showed up.
And when AJ was hurt, Hurts and the OL wasn't enough.
And, btw, TB's OL isn't elite. Wirfs is probably elite, but that's about it. Goedeke is good, not elite. Bredeson is probably a JAG. Barton might become elite, and I have high hopes for the kid, but he's a rook. Mausch (sp?) is a bit better than a JAG.
Besides, I have to take anything you post with a grain of salt, as aren't you the one that thinks the path to victory is running the ball 70 times in a row?
You can’t spell Cody Mauch’s name but you take my posts with a grain of salt.
And Eagles fairly recently won a Super Bowl without Hurts, Brown, Smith
And Eagles fairly recently won a Super Bowl without Hurts, Brown, Smith
I can't tell when you're serious.
They had prime Ertz, Jeffrey, Blount, and most importantly Big Dick Nick.
This is a completely different team.
It's like saying the Bucs won a super bowl without Brady. Yeah no shit
And Eagles fairly recently won a Super Bowl without Hurts, Brown, Smith
I can't tell when you're serious.
They had prime Ertz, Jeffrey, Blount, and most importantly Big Dick Nick.
This is a completely different team.
It's like saying the Bucs won a super bowl without Brady. Yeah no shit
You just named a bunch of guys that come and go. The Eagles are driven by the offensive line and the one constant is the hall of fame offensive tackle. If the Bucs win the Super Bowl in the next 5-7 years it will be driven by the offensive line and the constant will be the hall of fame tackle.
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
howd the team do this year without Evans and Godwin?
listen, clearly it was the improvement of the offensive line MAINLY as to what drove our top 5 offense this year. It's the execution on the field that matters most and the Bucs have invested in the offensive line with two first round picks and two second round picks starting.
the Bucs can be a perennial playoff team as they have been with Mayfield and this offensive line
it's just $20M WRs dont go on trees. and our a hot commodity in free agency if their current teams let them leave. We are better off today trying to win versus the unknown in 3 years
could we be better? sure? but we'd have to replace a HOF and Pro bowl caliber WR and that's no guarantee
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
howd the team do this year without Evans and Godwin?
listen, clearly it was the improvement of the offensive line MAINLY as to what drove our top 5 offense this year. It's the execution on the field that matters most and the Bucs have invested in the offensive line with two first round picks and two second round picks starting.
the Bucs can be a perennial playoff team as they have been with Mayfield and this offensive line
it's just $20M WRs dont go on trees. and our a hot commodity in free agency if their current teams let them leave. We are better off today trying to win versus the unknown in 3 years
could we be better? sure? but we'd have to replace a HOF and Pro bowl caliber WR and that's no guarantee
McMillan missed 2.5 games in that stretch too. You're talking about a team losing it's top 3 receivers IN SEASON in the span of 2-3 games. I'm saying they can be replaced at a level you can still win with over the course of an OFF SEASON or two. When Evans and Godwin are gone they're not going to be replaced by Sterling Shepherd, Ryan Miller and Rakim Jarrett types. They're will be WR1 and WR2 level replacements. As good? No. Good enough to win the Super Bowl as long as the OL stays at the same level? Yes
The Chiefs are one game away from 3 peating AFTER trading away their hall of fame WR.
The Chiefs are one game away from 3 peating AFTER trading away their hall of fame WR.
And you think this is because they run the ball so well with a great OL? Or because they have a top-5 scoring defense and transcendent QB?
Wirfs is probably elite, but that's about it. Goedeke is good, not elite. Bredeson is probably a JAG. Barton might become elite, and I have high hopes for the kid, but he's a rook. Mausch (sp?) is a bit better than a JAG.
IMO, your evaluation of the Bucs' OL is way off. They have a very good OL per their performance this past year, with the chance to become "elite" with a little more experience for the young'uns.
if they want to contend in the NFC, they go out and get a premier pass rusher like Myles Garett or Maxx Crosby
I would say that depends on the cost of acquiring those players because the real standout difference between the 2020 Super Bowl defense and the 2024 defense (actually statistically better in a number of ways) is the BIG drop off in INTS
2020 defense is almost THREE TIMES BETTER (1.1pg/.4pg) at getting INTS and that difference is even MORE DRAMATIC in the playoffs . . 7 for 2020 and zero for 2024 . . .and the dropoff is really from second safety (not AWF) and NCB and LB
And that difference occurs with both defenses roughly the same in sacks per game (2020 less than 1/2 sack better) and the 2020 defense
INT AND SACKS DO SORT OF GO HAND IN HAND THOUGH, so I get that part. The question would be IF the Bucs were willing to put up TWO FIRST round picks and whatever salary . . what could you do with those same assets focused on getting a. better LB, NCB (we might have already) and a better second safety and corresponding depth.
This is crazy. The Bucs OL is definitely elite, it may not house multiple all pros or pro bowlers but as a unit they are damn good. Top 5 in rushing in the NFL speaks for itself. Mauch had a good season this year he was definitely better than a JAG. Goedeke also very good, while not the best at his position is easily top 10 RT right now. Bucs have two tackles that are top 10, 1 being top 1, and one of our guards has a case of being top 12 at his position. Barton showed flashes of dominance too but as a rookie struggled with consistency. Still was able to be ranked as fifth ranked best pass blocking rating as a unit. Top 4 rush attack blocking, top 5 pass blocking as a unit is considered "elite".
let's be real: if TB is going to seriously challenge for a SB berth, it has to be in the next 3 years. Before Evans/Godwin either retire or start to fall off a cliff. So we're talking latest until MG is 32.
This idea that the Bucs window is married to Evans and Godwin and not this offensive line is just wrong. The Eagles have been a really good team the last 7 years, and will be good going forward, because of their offensive line. WRs come and go. We've been lucky to have Evans and Godwin together but we went 5-11, 5-11, 7-9 with Evans and Godwin in their primes before we drafted Wirfs.
Obviously, any team has multiple needs if they are contending. having quality receivers is just another necessity. However, Hurts didn't become "elite" until AJ Brown showed up in PHI, that's just a fact. It took trading for AJ for PHI to get the the SB. And it wasn't a coincidence that Hurts didn't become a "great QB" until AJ showed up.
And when AJ was hurt, Hurts and the OL wasn't enough.
And, btw, TB's OL isn't elite. Wirfs is probably elite, but that's about it. Goedeke is good, not elite. Bredeson is probably a JAG. Barton might become elite, and I have high hopes for the kid, but he's a rook. Mausch (sp?) is a bit better than a JAG.
Besides, I have to take anything you post with a grain of salt, as aren't you the one that thinks the path to victory is running the ball 70 times in a row?
