I can see Glennon as a starter, but the sample size is pretty small and there were a lot of other strange circumstances, so no way would I expect the Bucs to take that view . . . let alone a "new" Bucs. I hope they get who they want and I hope the new guy puts Glennon the bench . . or vice versa . . the goal is just to have the best QB possible, not to have a specific QB.
Its also funny to hear you guys talk about how crappy the coaching was last year but yet somehow assume that with a rookie QB getting crappy coaching, that Mike has somehow reached his pinnacle of performance.
The Buc's have NEVER developed a QB into a franchise QB. Doug Williams was as close as they've ever come. There's no reason to think the new coaches will be any better then the 35+ years worth of coaches before them. Glennon has reached his pinnacle of performance with the Buc's. He might be a Steve Young somewhere else but he's a backup on the Buc's.
After 13 games? Understood.
You can give him as many as you want. He doesn't have the coaches to make it happen. He was setup for failure the minute he was drafted. Unless of course you dispute the fact the Buc's can't develop QB's in which case name the QB they developed.
So according to you the Bucs cant develop a QB because they never have been able to before? But you want to draft a new QB? BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!
Rather play the lottery to get a QB who can do it on his own then depend on coaches to get them there. Not the best way to go but there are no good vet's to bring in either. I know it's brilliant you don't have to tell me!
So you want to bank on bringing in the 4th + rated qb (assuming TB, JFF and Bortles are off the market), which means Carr, Garrapolo (sp?) McCarron, or Fales, and have them "do it on his own"?If that is the scenario, give me Glennon, a vet qb and Kafka to fight it out.
That's like saying you want jj, mccown and leftwich to fight for the spot imo.
IMO, there is no QB worth a top 10 pick this draft. They all have many question marks at the NFL level. Therefore, let's go with Mike to see how the new coaching staff can work with him. They only need to look for a backup QB. How does Aaron Murray sound in rd 4 or 5?
Did you fall and bump your head?
It is as clear as day. I don't see the next Andrew Luck in the bunch. They are worth maybe a late 1st rd pick or even an early 2nd. The only reason those QBs are being considered in the top 10 is because of the lack of quality QBs in the NFL. There are several teams that are desperate for a starting QB. You really think any of them are worth the overall 1st pick in the draft?
Its also funny to hear you guys talk about how crappy the coaching was last year but yet somehow assume that with a rookie QB getting crappy coaching, that Mike has somehow reached his pinnacle of performance.
The Buc's have NEVER developed a QB into a franchise QB. Doug Williams was as close as they've ever come. There's no reason to think the new coaches will be any better then the 35+ years worth of coaches before them. Glennon has reached his pinnacle of performance with the Buc's. He might be a Steve Young somewhere else but he's a backup on the Buc's.
After 13 games? Understood.
You can give him as many as you want. He doesn't have the coaches to make it happen. He was setup for failure the minute he was drafted. Unless of course you dispute the fact the Buc's can't develop QB's in which case name the QB they developed.
So according to you the Bucs cant develop a QB because they never have been able to before? But you want to draft a new QB? BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!
Rather play the lottery to get a QB who can do it on his own then depend on coaches to get them there. Not the best way to go but there are no good vet's to bring in either. I know it's brilliant you don't have to tell me!
The Bucs never won a Super Bowl prior to the 2001 season. It was a coaching change and a few new players that got them there. It all happened in one season.
Its also funny to hear you guys talk about how crappy the coaching was last year but yet somehow assume that with a rookie QB getting crappy coaching, that Mike has somehow reached his pinnacle of performance.
The Buc's have NEVER developed a QB into a franchise QB. Doug Williams was as close as they've ever come. There's no reason to think the new coaches will be any better then the 35+ years worth of coaches before them. Glennon has reached his pinnacle of performance with the Buc's. He might be a Steve Young somewhere else but he's a backup on the Buc's.
After 13 games? Understood.
You can give him as many as you want. He doesn't have the coaches to make it happen. He was setup for failure the minute he was drafted. Unless of course you dispute the fact the Buc's can't develop QB's in which case name the QB they developed.
So according to you the Bucs cant develop a QB because they never have been able to before? But you want to draft a new QB? BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!
Rather play the lottery to get a QB who can do it on his own then depend on coaches to get them there. Not the best way to go but there are no good vet's to bring in either. I know it's brilliant you don't have to tell me!
WOW! Now that's an idea. Sheesh....
IMO, there is no QB worth a top 10 pick this draft. They all have many question marks at the NFL level. Therefore, let's go with Mike to see how the new coaching staff can work with him. They only need to look for a backup QB. How does Aaron Murray sound in rd 4 or 5?
Did you fall and bump your head?
It is as clear as day. I don't see the next Andrew Luck in the bunch. They are worth maybe a late 1st rd pick or even an early 2nd. The only reason those QBs are being considered in the top 10 is because of the lack of quality QBs in the NFL. There are several teams that are desperate for a starting QB. You really think any of them are worth the overall 1st pick in the draft?
To not to draft a QB from this draft is insane ....Are you saying Johnny Football and Teddy Bridgewater aren't quality guys? The guy that appears on Duemig's show doesn't see any QB's worth a #1 pick in this year's draft, but Gil Brandt and a majority of other scouts seems to think that there are a few...The Bucs may not draft QB in Round 1, but rest assured they are drafting a QB this year...
I hope they draft a qb in round one and pick up allen in fa.Even if it costs a bit to move up, they should. We are only a solid qb and de from being a very good team imo. Depending on how tedford wants to build his offense, he has a choice of three different types of qb's.My guess, they'll stay and draft carr. Which isn't providing much more than glennon unfortunately.
I hope they draft a qb in round one and pick up allen in fa.Even if it costs a bit to move up, they should. We are only a solid qb and de from being a very good team imo. Depending on how tedford wants to build his offense, he has a choice of three different types of qb's.My guess, they'll stay and draft carr. Which isn't providing much more than glennon unfortunately.
Carr better have an outstanding combine to draft him at 7. Otherwise I may throw a hissy fit
There was a statement made by either Licht or Smith to the effect that Glennon is a past regimes guy and they are looking at all options. Jason Licht - “New coach, new regime, you can’t just hand the keys over and say this guy is our starter. You have to see what he is, and competition drives the best out of everybody. So, that’s what we’ll be looking for."This is a business when all is said and done. No one with any sense at all would ride with just 1 QB, (which is Glennon). He's young, talented and has a respectable ceiling... I keep harping on it. If they aren't going to spend a high pick (or two) in getting Bridgewater or Bortles (who I've recently liked a bit more) then get another someone who has a respectable ceiling (Garoppolo) and bring in a vet asa emergency stopgap (McCown.)Greatest ceiling and lowest risk approach for 2014. Two guys who could really explode in the right offense and a proven journey man veteran. If it doesn't work, we'll be in position (I can only assume at this point) to pick someone high next year.Every QB in this draft has warts... TB, BB and JG have the least IMO.
Kind of my thoughts with the exception of having a position to pick someone high next year. The Bucs were terrible this past season and still aren't high enough to pick a guy who's more of a "no brainer". I'm going to guess even with QB struggles that they can duplicate or win a few more next season moving them further away from a position to pick the best QB(s).
I hope they draft a qb in round one and pick up allen in fa.Even if it costs a bit to move up, they should. We are only a solid qb and de from being a very good team imo. Depending on how tedford wants to build his offense, he has a choice of three different types of qb's.My guess, they'll stay and draft carr. Which isn't providing much more than glennon unfortunately.
Carr better have an outstanding combine to draft him at 7. Otherwise I may throw a hissy fit
Can't have an outstanding combine if you are scared to throw.....
Is Manziel throwing at a pro day?
Threads like this make me laugh. So by management doing their job and making sure that we have a contingency plan in place, just in case Glennon doesn't work out, or he suffers a major injury, that is supposed to mean that they aren't sold on Glennon? You don't like Glennon, so you are taking their words and adding your personal, wishful context to them. Glennon's salary is cheap, and with the new Rookie Wage Scale, even 1st round QB's are "cheap." A team without a franchise QB would be stupid not to draft at least 1 QB every year until they find that franchise guy.
I would have to disagree. Wasting pick after pick on QB's in the draft because you don't have a franchise QB is setting you back. There will be a time when your in the right position to take a QB, just to draft one every year until you find your guy is a waste and sets back upgrading the rest of the team. There is nothing wrong with signing a veteran guy with a change of scenery that can help a team and lead them to a super. bowl if not win one. Plenty of mediocre veteran QB's have done it. I think we have a good competent coaching staff in place and with some upgrades at DE, OLB, Nickel CB, TE, and slot WR I think we can compete with anyone. The coaching staff will give Glennon every opportunity to win the starting job. I don't dislike Glennon and root for any Buc to succeed. I just don't think he is good enough. I would love to be proved wrong. With that said, I think a guy like Schaub may be able to get this thing turned around very quickly and we can get 4-5 good years out of him. If anything we have a very competent back-up if Glennon goes down or we can draft a mid-tier QB and turn to him if Glennon goes down? Well, kiss the season goodbye. The way the salary cap is now, it's re-tool not re-build. We can sit around and develop QB's for years while the rest of the team gets older and then they have to be replaced. I think this thread is refreshing, personally I'm tired of talking about average gay players.
I hope they draft a qb in round one and pick up allen in fa.Even if it costs a bit to move up, they should. We are only a solid qb and de from being a very good team imo. Depending on how tedford wants to build his offense, he has a choice of three different types of qb's.My guess, they'll stay and draft carr. Which isn't providing much more than glennon unfortunately.
Carr better have an outstanding combine to draft him at 7. Otherwise I may throw a hissy fit
Can't have an outstanding combine if you are scared to throw.....
I'm just saying there is a connection to tampa, so carr at 7 isn't so farfetched, if tedford is sold that he can groom him.I wouldn't like it, and I think he's around glennon's talent level. Which means we're not improving.