I’m sure there’s a ‘PSU’ system component to it, but Chop’s lack of production is still troubling for me.
Underscores the trade down scenario…
So I don’t hate this idea.
I’m sure there’s a ‘PSU’ system component to it, but Chop’s lack of production is still troubling for me.
Underscores the trade down scenario…
So I don’t hate this idea.
I like Isaac better. And, he’ll most likely go somewhere between Chop and Kneeland.
Again, great trade down candidate.
Sell me on why you think so highly of Adisa Isaac - Brugler has him as the 7th rated EDGE, but below Latu.I’m sure there’s a ‘PSU’ system component to it, but Chop’s lack of production is still troubling for me.
Underscores the trade down scenario…
So I don’t hate this idea.
I like Isaac better. And, he’ll most likely go somewhere between Chop and Kneeland.
Again, great trade down candidate.
It’s not that I think he’s bad, but unlike some of these EDGE prospects, I just haven’t watched much film on him. PSU had a good defense, but not a great one…
Last season Isaac had 7.5 sacks - but prior to that he didn’t offer much… when comparing him to JTS - Joe had 12.5 sacks in his one great season.
When looking at his combine performance: unlike His linemate, Chop Robinson - Isaac’s combine also looks similar in performance to JTS.
As I said, I really haven’t dug in, but from a 30,000 foot view, I can’t help seeing JTS?
Hard pass, especially on a player that is going to change positions. It’s one thing to do that on a late 2 or 3, but a first, no. Could he be good, possibly, but why waste a first. I’d prefer a OLB, but don’t reach for a player. Just take BPA regardless of position.
I'm dubious about Chop Robinson as well. It's obviously tough to project how an edge rusher will translate from college to the NFL because in the NFL you have to develop moves that you didn't need to have in college. When I'm watching a highlight of him beating a defender around the edge I'm thinking why is that even a highlight? He just used his pure speed. I'm thinking that isn't going to work as well in the NFL. He'll have to have some hand-to-hand combat abilities. He can't just run by an NFL left tackle. Chop is undersized and won't be that good against the run either so may not be a 3-down guy. I'm glad to be corrected by somebody who watched a lot of film and knows more than me. But I'm suspicious of any of these guys who are constantly pumped up by media types because of their college highlights. That may be the case here.
The Bucs haven't discovered the formula for drafting pass rushers which is why they hit on YaYa with the 82nd pick but missed on higher picks JTS and Logan Hall with the 32nd and 33rd picks. The definition of insanity is when something doesn't work keep doing it over and over again. If you don't think you are getting an absolute steal with an edge rusher in the first round, then don't take one. Find one later on in the draft who may be a situational guy but at least you aren't wasting a first-round pick.
Sell me on why you think so highly of Adisa Isaac - Brugler has him as the 7th rated EDGE, but below Latu.
I don’t think we have a shot in hell at Verse. And, I don’t think Latu gets to us.
I think we’ll be in the Isaac, Ellis, Kneeland range in the 2nd round. And, of those 3, I think he’s the better prospect.
Prototypical mold for an EDGE, good hands, high motor.
Ok, but I kind of like Darius Robinson more than Isaac. Similar performance/testing - Darius did it in the SEC. Probably a a toss-up (but as a Buckeye fan, I probably have some bias involved).Sell me on why you think so highly of Adisa Isaac - Brugler has him as the 7th rated EDGE, but below Latu.
I don’t think we have a shot in hell at Verse. And, I don’t think Latu gets to us.
I think we’ll be in the Isaac, Ellis, Kneeland range in the 2nd round. And, of those 3, I think he’s the better prospect.
Prototypical mold for an EDGE, good hands, high motor.
I wouldn’t argue with either - just want a competent starting EDGE!
I think Jonah Ellis has the highest ceiling, he's just young (just turned 21) and light. If he stayed for his senior year and gained 15 pounds I think he would be top 10 next year. Will be a project but he has the traits and athleticism. 2nd round is a little high, maybe we can make move to get him early 3rd.
My EDGE rankings so far
1. Latu* (medical)
2. Jonah Ellis (wrote him up above, not ready yet but has the best traits, wonder why he came out early, same body type and play style as Jason Taylor just 3 inches shorter)
3. Darius Robinson (violent pass rusher)
4. Jared Verse (was #1 before the season, dont like the drop off at his age, he's a full 2.5 years older than Ellis)
5. Chop Robinson (can bend beautifully)
6. Adisa Isaac (5-7 sack guy a year)
7. Dallas Turner (just fast, no moves, high bust factor)
8. Jalen Brice (hype and frame, will be overdrafted)
9. Chris Braswell (ehhh)
10. Mohamed Kamara (would cut his weight)
These are just the guys I looked at so far. Looked at Xavier Thomas and Jalynx Hunt because Trevor Sikema was hyping them and don't see anything worth drafting.
I have Marshawn Kneeland as a hand in the groud guy for us with a 1st round grade. Think Suh role.
My EDGE rankings so far
1. Latu* (medical)
2. Jonah Ellis (wrote him up above, not ready yet but has the best traits, wonder why he came out early, same body type and play style as Jason Taylor just 3 inches shorter)
3. Darius Robinson (violent pass rusher)
4. Jared Verse (was #1 before the season, dont like the drop off at his age, he's a full 2.5 years older than Ellis)
5. Chop Robinson (can bend beautifully)
6. Adisa Isaac (5-7 sack guy a year)
7. Dallas Turner (just fast, no moves, high bust factor)
8. Jalen Brice (hype and frame, will be overdrafted)
9. Chris Braswell (ehhh)
10. Mohamed Kamara (would cut his weight)
These are just the guys I looked at so far. Looked at Xavier Thomas and Jalynx Hunt because Trevor Sikema was hyping them and don't see anything worth drafting.
I have Marshawn Kneeland as a hand in the groud guy for us with a 1st round grade. Think Suh role.
This is solid as hell.
But there is a big medical asterisk on Latu so that has to be factored in. Are you taking him with the Bucs first round pick even with the medical concerns? Lets review: He was medically retired due to a neck injury and neck fusion where doctors (plural!) retired him because he'd risk permanent paralysis. Then the UCLA doctors unretired him and he did fine. But I searched on the google and couldn't find anybody who mentioned a medical opinion that it's not a concern anymore.
Is Latu ....
A) Fine. Doctors plural say that his neck is as good as any other healthy necked player, then I'm fine with drafting him.
B) Unknown. Latu is like Tua Tagovailoa with concussions. Another neck injury could be worse than the first. You can't stop a guy from playing if that's what he wants to do, but you don't have to draft him in the first round. Absolutely no total red flag.
Obviously, NFL teams know more than the googleverse about what's up with that injury, but I don't see anything online that would indicate "A" is correct. Bucs should steer clear of this guy in the first round.
Are you taking him with the Bucs first round pick even with the medical concerns?
Yes.
But there is a big medical asterisk on Latu so that has to be factored in. Are you taking him with the Bucs first round pick even with the medical concerns?
Gladly. Without those risks, he’s a top 10 player.
The possible reward is worth the risk.
Ellis in the 2nd is better value than Latu in the 1st. Question is does Ellis fall to 57?
I don't like the idea of a center at 26, but I do have a first round grade on Jackson Powers Johnson and I know the Bucs love him. JPJ in the first and then Ellis in the 2nd would be good for me.
Well, I'd like a little more clarification on the neck injury. All I hear on the webs is "Teams will be sure to pour over his medicals!" He didn't just get injured. Five nationally chosen speciailsts told him him he was retired because he could have permanent paralysis.But there is a big medical asterisk on Latu so that has to be factored in. Are you taking him with the Bucs first round pick even with the medical concerns?
Gladly. Without those risks, he’s a top 10 player.
The possible reward is worth the risk.
Here is Greg Gabriel
So, is Latu good to go as far as the NFL Draft? Well, that remains to be seen, and Liaatu Latu will be one of the most talked about and highly examined players at the 2024 NFL Combine. How is medical results at the Combine turn out, will have a direct effect on where he gets Drafted.
Having attended over 30 NFL Combines, I know the process well, and having been the Bears Director of College Scouting for nine years, I am significantly up to date on the medical issues and procedures.
The first thing that will happen to Latu when he arrives at Indy is he will be given an MRI so that team doctors can see exactly what happened to his neck. In all the research I have done, I could not find exactly what kind of surgery Latu had, and exactly what that surgery was is very important to team doctors.
With many clubs, the fact that Latu has played two straight seasons without incidence will go a long way. Other clubs will go strongly with what the MRI says. I have found over the years the medical reports are often like scouting reports and are very subjective. It could very well happen that a high number of teams pass Latu on his medical while there will be teams that fail him because of the risk.
What we can be sure of is that sometime during or after the Combine, it will be leaked that Latu has been totally cleared to play in the NFL. What those reports will leave out is that he has been cleared by “some teams, but not all teams.” This happens every year at the Combine, and we never know for sure what clubs pass or fail a player. We find out on Draft Day when he gets selected.
