Rex Ryan would most likely mean a switch to a 3-4 defense correct? How does Lavonte David fit into that scenario? Sounds like it would require a bunch of draft picks to be used to fit the new defensive scheme, not allowing us to add valuable pieces to the offense
I think David would do just fine as a 3-4 ILB. (And as long as it wasn't a two-gap scheme, I suspect McCoy could be successful as a 3-4 DE.) Note that I'm not saying that the team should go out and deliberately look for a 3-4 coach. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be unworkable if the right candidate came along though. I don't think the team's front 7 is full of irreplaceable, tampa-2 only players like it was back in Kiffin's heyday here.
He's gone.There is no way over half the team supports him now. He got worse, and they know it. I have to believe that statement is correct, even if an assumption.People say, he's got them playing hard, but all I see are players trying to showcase their talent for next year when this team would explode.Only 1/4 of them believe his bs anymore. All the stuff he talks about is grand, but he cannot manage a game, and most of them understand that as well.If they're fighting this hard for schiano, let them fight even harder for a coach that knows what they're doing.
Rex Ryan would most likely mean a switch to a 3-4 defense correct? How does Lavonte David fit into that scenario? Sounds like it would require a bunch of draft picks to be used to fit the new defensive scheme, not allowing us to add valuable pieces to the offense
I think David would do just fine as a 3-4 ILB. (And as long as it wasn't a two-gap scheme, I suspect McCoy could be successful as a 3-4 DE.) Note that I'm not saying that the team should go out and deliberately look for a 3-4 coach. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be unworkable if the right candidate came along though. I don't think the team's front 7 is full of irreplaceable, tampa-2 only players like it was back in Kiffin's heyday here.
The Bucs defense would not work well in a 3-4 scheme. David is to small of a LB to be a 3-4 LB, and McCoy's talent would be wasted because he would be asked to take up space as a DE instead of rushing the passer. I like Rex as a coach but a 3-4 defense does not make sense for this team.
Gruden's winning % was skewed due to a couple of very poor seasons and has nothing to do with Rex Ryan. He also won a Super Bowl and multiple division titles, etc. Despite his trials and tribulations he finished with 3 out of 4 winning seasons. Ryan has gone backwards as a coach. 3 straight non-winning season. May not be above .500 for his career at the end of the season. If we want to get rid of a coach why would we aim for that. Sounds like something you settle for. Poor comparison. Try again
Jon Gruden won 50.9% of his games in Tampa and didn't win a playoff game his last six seasons. Tell me this, based on his personnel, what do you think Rex Ryan's record should be the last three years?
Who the hell cares? What would Schiano's record be if he had better personnel and didn't have all the controversy to start the season? Ryan is a .500 damn coach who hasn't had a winning season in 3 years. Who the hell cares what Gruden's win% was? Why is that even coming up? Wasn't Gruden fired from here? Jeebus.
Wade Phlipps 3-4 could work here though.
Rex Ryan would most likely mean a switch to a 3-4 defense correct? How does Lavonte David fit into that scenario? Sounds like it would require a bunch of draft picks to be used to fit the new defensive scheme, not allowing us to add valuable pieces to the offense
I think David would do just fine as a 3-4 ILB. (And as long as it wasn't a two-gap scheme, I suspect McCoy could be successful as a 3-4 DE.) Note that I'm not saying that the team should go out and deliberately look for a 3-4 coach. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be unworkable if the right candidate came along though. I don't think the team's front 7 is full of irreplaceable, tampa-2 only players like it was back in Kiffin's heyday here.
The Bucs defense would not work well in a 3-4 scheme. David is to small of a LB to be a 3-4 LB, and McCoy's talent would be wasted because he would be asked to take up space as a DE instead of rushing the passer. I like Rex as a coach but a 3-4 defense does not make sense for this team.
Not wholly true. Wade's one gap 34 doesn't have speace eaters - it is why Watt is such a force making sacks and TFL's for example.
Gruden's winning % was skewed due to a couple of very poor seasons and has nothing to do with Rex Ryan. He also won a Super Bowl and multiple division titles, etc. Despite his trials and tribulations he finished with 3 out of 4 winning seasons. Ryan has gone backwards as a coach. 3 straight non-winning season. May not be above .500 for his career at the end of the season. If we want to get rid of a coach why would we aim for that. Sounds like something you settle for. Poor comparison. Try again
Jon Gruden won 50.9% of his games in Tampa and didn't win a playoff game his last six seasons. Tell me this, based on his personnel, what do you think Rex Ryan's record should be the last three years?
Who the hell cares? What would Schiano's record be if he had better personnel and didn't have all the controversy to start the season? Ryan is a .500 damn coach who hasn't had a winning season in 3 years. Who the hell cares what Gruden's win% was? Why is that even coming up? Wasn't Gruden fired from here? Jeebus.
That's not the question. Every coach would have a better record with better players. The question is which coaches get the most out of the players they have? Rex Ryan does. Jon Gruden does. Greg Schiano does not.
Seriously, someone thinks Schiano is a better coach than Ryan?
Rex Ryan would most likely mean a switch to a 3-4 defense correct? How does Lavonte David fit into that scenario? Sounds like it would require a bunch of draft picks to be used to fit the new defensive scheme, not allowing us to add valuable pieces to the offense
I think David would do just fine as a 3-4 ILB. (And as long as it wasn't a two-gap scheme, I suspect McCoy could be successful as a 3-4 DE.) Note that I'm not saying that the team should go out and deliberately look for a 3-4 coach. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be unworkable if the right candidate came along though. I don't think the team's front 7 is full of irreplaceable, tampa-2 only players like it was back in Kiffin's heyday here.
The Bucs defense would not work well in a 3-4 scheme. David is to small of a LB to be a 3-4 LB, and McCoy's talent would be wasted because he would be asked to take up space as a DE instead of rushing the passer. I like Rex as a coach but a 3-4 defense does not make sense for this team.
Hardly any teams run those old school oversized 3-4's. Almost all have moved to use 4-3 type players to better stop the pass in today's pass-happy league. David would compare very favorably to someone like Darrell Washington who has been a stud for Arizona.
Didn't Rex run some 4-3 in Baltimore?
Seriously, someone thinks Schiano is a better coach than Ryan?
Nobody said that.
Gruden's winning % was skewed due to a couple of very poor seasons and has nothing to do with Rex Ryan. He also won a Super Bowl and multiple division titles, etc. Despite his trials and tribulations he finished with 3 out of 4 winning seasons. Ryan has gone backwards as a coach. 3 straight non-winning season. May not be above .500 for his career at the end of the season. If we want to get rid of a coach why would we aim for that. Sounds like something you settle for. Poor comparison. Try again
Jon Gruden won 50.9% of his games in Tampa and didn't win a playoff game his last six seasons. Tell me this, based on his personnel, what do you think Rex Ryan's record should be the last three years?
Who the hell cares? What would Schiano's record be if he had better personnel and didn't have all the controversy to start the season? Ryan is a .500 damn coach who hasn't had a winning season in 3 years. Who the hell cares what Gruden's win% was? Why is that even coming up? Wasn't Gruden fired from here? Jeebus.
That's not the question. Every coach would have a better record with better players. The question is which coaches get the most out of the players they have? Rex Ryan does. Jon Gruden does. Greg Schiano does not.
No, the question is why we would shoot for an average HC if we fire Schiano and why we would be happy with that? That was the question, you changed it apparently to suit your "argument".3 straight non-winning seasons.
3 straight non-winning seasons.
Again, what do you think Ryan's record should be with the players he has? Do you think he should have gotten more out of them?
I don't know if Geno Smith and Stephen Hill were Rex's picks.....but just to be safe I say he gets no input on drafting offense. Now on defense, the Jets have been freaking money for several years now.
3 straight non-winning seasons.
Again, what do you think Ryan's record should be with the players he has? Do you think he should have gotten more out of them?
You mean a crappy offense, but a pretty good defense? Sounds familiar. So if schiano was 6-8 right now, you would be singing his praises? If David doesn't make a bonehead penalty in Week 1, then we are both sitting 5-9.3 straight non-winning seasons and barely a .500 record after 5 years.
